Topic: Somali pirates

[Gordon]

A LOT of this could be alleviated by simply allowing the crew to possess and be trained to use the same armament the pirates seem to have at their disposal...of course, this would never fly with most governments...letting civilians have equal arms for defending themselves...

Something tells me that most ship's captains would rather take the very slight risk that their ship will be boarded by pirates than deal with a well-armed crew. 

[Bob Wessner]

In addition, remember some of these ships are oil tankers. Armed crews inviting engagement with RPG toting pirates is not a very good solution.

[upperlake04]

  I think the US response was measured and appropriate, but just a thought about context..  during the American Revolution, privateering was an respectable industry that encouraged American  citizens to harass the wealthy all-powerful British empires' commercial shipping while risking their lives and resources for financial gain. Like European nations of the time, the fledgling US government issued documents known as Letters of Marque to legitimize the piracy.
  If only those Somalis could get permits..         

[my78k]

Maybe then we could tax them as well? Hey I think you are on to the new economic stimulus plan UL

Well done!

[BobbyR]

  I think the US response was measured and appropriate, but just a thought about context..  during the American Revolution, privateering was an respectable industry that encouraged American  citizens to harass the wealthy all-powerful British empires' commercial shipping while risking their lives and resources for financial gain. Like European nations of the time, the fledgling US government issued documents known as Letters of Marque to legitimize the piracy.
  If only those Somalis could get permits..         

Permit or no permits, when the Royal Navy met a Privateer, they blew them out of the water.

[goon 1492]

They are Somali and mostly Muslim. They circumcise their women (remove the clitoris), which is the seat of their sexual pleasure, by cutting it out with a knife, without anesthetic. Then stone them to death if they get out of line.

"Out of line?" I'll define that if you want me to, later.

But it's sort of along the lines of being seen out and about with a man who isn't her husband, brother, son, father, uncle or other male family member. Or by being out of line by being pack-raped, so then being stoned to death for the unholy crime of Infidelity to whoever or whatever and bringing shame to the (male) family members. Or killed by other family members for bringing dishoner to their family after the fact of being pack raped. And on and on it goes.

The civilized world seems to be crippled by the International Attention of this piracy. Scared to actually ACT and to then be seen as Ugly Murderers of Poor black People.



I think this sums it up pretty good, I mean if they can tell us here in the US that if yo want to be seen just look up because the satellites we have can read a lisense plate along with the detail our face I am sure they can see those buggers in that 1.2 million mile span that they run through.
Where the hell is Richard marcinco and seal team 6 at, creepin' on a come up in the dark waiting to play.

For a good real on the navy seals read some of his books, I have rogue warrior so far. Man that's one bad dude.

My suggestion is: Call in Blackwater, (don't mention Blackwater, FFS), 10 men to a ship. Use radar and Night Vision Goggles. Then get the Barrett's out (50 cal sniper rifles) and deal with these idiots. Better still, a mini-gun. Harsh?, hell no, it's innocent crew versus pirates.

The victims are mostly the crews, also from third world countries and who are working for pathetic wages.

The international community has been paralyzed by these skinnies in fizz-boats for too long. It's just more political correctness gone wrong, as usual.

Who will stand up to these pirates?

[Caaveman82]

I have not read the whole thread, I attempted to but then saw this...

Though I am definitely NOT in favor of terroristic acts, you
should read the whole story of Somalia. The more I learn, the more
I agree with the pirates.

To directly steal the words of John Stewart from the daily show, stealing from the poor and giving to some tyranical war lord is not quite as noble as the whole Robin Hood thing...

[Duke McDukiedook]

I'm christian and I was brutally circumsized without my consent.

What does that make us?

[Slayer]

We have submarines all over the ocean sitting and waiting. Yes, some are ballistic subs but we also have fast attack subs patrolling the waters sneaking around and surprising the enemy if needed. A Mark 48 ADCAP torpedo is excessive but I am sure they could fit these boats with a more conventional weapon. Sounds like it would be a good sub shooting range. It would give them good practice and offer a little needed fear for the pirates

[Duke McDukiedook]

We need Mchale's Navy!!!
 
Or Sgt. Bilko.

Those pirates would laugh themselves into submission.

[BeSeeingYou]

We have submarines all over the ocean sitting and waiting. Yes, some are ballistic subs but we also have fast attack subs patrolling the waters sneaking around and surprising the enemy if needed. A Mark 48 ADCAP torpedo is excessive but I am sure they could fit these boats with a more conventional weapon. Sounds like it would be a good sub shooting range. It would give them good practice and offer a little needed fear for the pirates

Yeah, let's use a billion dollar sub shooting million dollar torpedoes to take out some teenagers in a $1000 fishing skiff powered by a cheap Chinese outboard.  It is tens of thousands of square miles of ocean used by thousands of ships.  How many billions do you want to spend to deal with what is really a minor problem despite all the media hullabaloo. Most of this shipping is not even destined for the U.S.  As far as I'm concerned it's not our problem.  Let China, Japan, Russia, and Europe deal with protecting their cargoes.  Setting aside all issues of right and wrong, from a purely economic perspective it's cheaper just to pay off the pirates.  That is what the shipping companies have been doing for years only now it's a big deal because the media finally decided to pay attention after a U.S. vessel was involved. The only real solution is to bring about some kind of stability to the failed nation of Somalia.  Many of these guys where fisherman until Somalia was unable to enforce it's maritime boundaries and international fishing fleets strip mined it's waters and other countries/corporations used the waters for a dumping ground for toxic waste. 

Most of this activity used to take place in the more restricted waters of the Gulf of Aden. The U.S. Navy along with others organized convoys and stepped up patrolling so the pirates just moved out into the Indian Ocean which is more difficult to patrol.

[spdiii]

Yeah, let's use a billion dollar sub shooting million dollar torpedoes to take out some teenagers in a $1000 fishing skiff powered by a cheap Chinese outboard.  It is tens of thousands of square miles of ocean used by thousands of ships.  How many billions do you want to spend to deal with what is really a minor problem despite all the media hullabaloo. Most of this shipping is not even destined for the U.S.  As far as I'm concerned it's not our problem.  Let China, Japan, Russia, and Europe deal with protecting their cargoes.  Setting aside all issues of right and wrong, from a purely economic perspective it's cheaper just to pay off the pirates.  That is what the shipping companies have been doing for years only now it's a big deal because the media finally decided to pay attention after a U.S. vessel was involved. The only real solution is to bring about some kind of stability to the failed nation of Somalia.  Many of these guys where fisherman until Somalia was unable to enforce it's maritime boundaries and international fishing fleets strip mined it's waters and other countries/corporations used the waters for a dumping ground for toxic waste. 

Most of this activity used to take place in the more restricted waters of the Gulf of Aden. The U.S. Navy along with others organized convoys and stepped up patrolling so the pirates just moved out into the Indian Ocean which is more difficult to patrol.
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Aw geez!  I agree, lets not spend alot of time and effort dealing with these kooks.  how'bout next time this happens, I will personally shell out, from my own pocket  .79cents x(3) for bullets and be done with it already. As a matter of fact, send me the bill for the last three rounds. If & when it happens again, just let me know. Better yet, add it to my taxes. As for Somalia's stability, screw them!!! Why should a private shipping company have to worry about every failing nation along their route, let alone their problems. We don't owe them anything. True, the only reason this story gets coverage is because it happened beneath my(our) flag involving U.S. citizens. I find that news worthy enough. I just don't find myself so concerned right now with the particulars of Somalia as a failed nation. If we can't defend ourselves against these terrorists, then who will? The terrorist/pirates engaged first. If they want to play, then bring it. I declare; shipping will continue and terrorists will be dealt with accordingly.

[rhos1355]

I don't get it.
7-8 years ago some bright spark went around spreading the rumour that Iraq had stockpiled thousands of weapons of mass destruction, all ready to strike within 30 minutes. The man on the street knew this was all boll!x hyped up by the media, whilst the governments and all their leaders got caught up in the mega stir-up and sent their armies to invade that country.
Now a group of jobless men run riot and threaten a major trading route and threaten the lives of innocent sailors and our leader sit around picking their noses! Here's a cause worth getting riled about; piracy in the high seas!

Toycollector, you spend a lot of words disparaging Muslims and their culture. Just remember we Christians were a lot worse in the middle ages. You ever hear about the Crusades? Yeah, I'm sure those Knights of St.John went around distributing flowers and goodwill pleading those nasty Saracens to puhleease go away from the Holy Land!
You ever hear about the Spanish Inquisition? People were brutally tortured for not going to church on Sunday. I reckon those so-called witches burnt at the stake at the whim of some Jesuit priest would have welcomed circumcision compared to what they had to go through.
And what about the Indian massacres in South America? All done in the name of our Lord and by the sign of the Cross!
Try to see the good features of other religions, you might actually find yourself agreeing with a lot of them. Don't judge religions by the action of a few fanatical thugs.

[BobbyR]

Don't need any Submarines to off a few Pirates in a Chris Craft. A bit of old school ordinance is all you need.

[PJ]

Yeah, let's use a billion dollar sub shooting million dollar torpedoes to take out some teenagers in a $1000 fishing skiff powered by a cheap Chinese outboard.  It is tens of thousands of square miles of ocean used by thousands of ships.  How many billions do you want to spend to deal with what is really a minor problem despite all the media hullabaloo. Most of this shipping is not even destined for the U.S.  As far as I'm concerned it's not our problem.  Let China, Japan, Russia, and Europe deal with protecting their cargoes.  Setting aside all issues of right and wrong, from a purely economic perspective it's cheaper just to pay off the pirates.  That is what the shipping companies have been doing for years only now it's a big deal because the media finally decided to pay attention after a U.S. vessel was involved. The only real solution is to bring about some kind of stability to the failed nation of Somalia.  Many of these guys where fisherman until Somalia was unable to enforce it's maritime boundaries and international fishing fleets strip mined it's waters and other countries/corporations used the waters for a dumping ground for toxic waste. 

Most of this activity used to take place in the more restricted waters of the Gulf of Aden. The U.S. Navy along with others organized convoys and stepped up patrolling so the pirates just moved out into the Indian Ocean which is more difficult to patrol.

Aw geez!  I agree, lets not spend alot of time and effort dealing with these kooks.  how'bout next time this happens, I will personally shell out, from my own pocket  .79cents x(3) for bullets and be done with it already. As a matter of fact, send me the bill for the last three rounds. If & when it happens again, just let me know. Better yet, add it to my taxes. As for Somalia's stability, screw them!!! Why should a private shipping company have to worry about every failing nation along their route, let alone their problems. We don't owe them anything. True, the only reason this story gets coverage is because it happened beneath my(our) flag involving U.S. citizens. I find that news worthy enough. I just don't find myself so concerned right now with the particulars of Somalia as a failed nation. If we can't defend ourselves against these terrorists, then who will? The terrorist/pirates engaged first. If they want to play, then bring it. I declare; shipping will continue and terrorists will be dealt with accordingly.
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Well said.

[BobbyR]

I'm christian and I was brutally circumsized without my consent.

What does that make us?

If it bothers you that can be reversed. They simply sew your D1ck to your stomach and in a few weeks they cut around it and you are all original!. I myself prefer the wash and wear, I ptefer to buy my cheese in the store.

[mlinder]

.....
Toycollector, you spend a lot of words disparaging Muslims and their culture. Just remember we Christians were a lot worse in the middle ages. You ever hear about the Crusades? Yeah, I'm sure those Knights of St.John went around distributing flowers and goodwill pleading those nasty Saracens to puhleease go away from the Holy Land!
You ever hear about the Spanish Inquisition? People were brutally tortured for not going to church on Sunday. I reckon those so-called witches burnt at the stake at the whim of some Jesuit priest would have welcomed circumcision compared to what they had to go through.
And what about the Indian massacres in South America? All done in the name of our Lord and by the sign of the Cross!
Try to see the good features of other religions, you might actually find yourself agreeing with a lot of them. Don't judge religions by the action of a few fanatical thugs.

Those were catholics, not christians

* mlinder dons flame retardant suit!

[upperlake04]

I'm christian and I was brutally circumsized without my consent.

What does that make us?

If it bothers you that can be reversed. They simply sew your D1ck to your stomach and in a few weeks they cut around it and you are all original!. I myself prefer the wash and wear, I ptefer to buy my cheese in the store.

 That's available here too Bobby, except its covered by Medicare and is sewn to the chest.

[Inigo Montoya]

Could we do this to the pirates?

http://gifbin.com/v/1239884180_jump_on_the_balls.gif

[mark]

Could we do this to the pirates?

http://gifbin.com/v/1239884180_jump_on_the_balls.gif

ok for you but jumping on a dead guy's balls doesn't do much for me.

[Duke McDukiedook]

I'm christian and I was brutally circumsized without my consent.

What does that make us?

If it bothers you that can be reversed. They simply sew your D1ck to your stomach and in a few weeks they cut around it and you are all original!. I myself prefer the wash and wear, I ptefer to buy my cheese in the store.

They did quite enough cutting the first time around. They aren't getting remotely close to that area again without a fight. I would have liked to make that decision myself instead of having other people make that decision to cut off a portion of my penis.

The fact that a lot of people have it done doen't mean it is right.

[BobbyR]

I'm christian and I was brutally circumsized without my consent.

What does that make us?

If it bothers you that can be reversed. They simply sew your D1ck to your stomach and in a few weeks they cut around it and you are all original!. I myself prefer the wash and wear, I ptefer to buy my cheese in the store.

 That's available here too Bobby, except its covered by Medicare and is sewn to the chest.

It is not covered here. I guess I will have to spend the rest of my life with this horrible mutilation and shame. I should go smack my parents.

[Inigo Montoya]

Mark, think metaphorically here! 
Besides, there are more than just those 3 pirates!

[Duke McDukiedook]

I'm christian and I was brutally circumsized without my consent.

What does that make us?

If it bothers you that can be reversed. They simply sew your D1ck to your stomach and in a few weeks they cut around it and you are all original!. I myself prefer the wash and wear, I ptefer to buy my cheese in the store.

 That's available here too Bobby, except its covered by Medicare and is sewn to the chest.

It is not covered here. I guess I will have to spend the rest of my life with this horrible mutilation and shame. I should go smack my parents.

If they live close enough I can do it for you. It would be my pleasure.

[goon 1492]

Man guys, circumsizing is a much cleaner way to go, and less painfull when done as a baby. My sone had to go to a plastic surgen for his, too endoud. 

Oh yeah it was the catholics, your right mlinder that is part of the reason for our ansestors that flew to Phillipe Americana, or what columbus thought he discovered....(goon make's an a-- of him self since there is veeery little that supports a change of history like that)
The witches thing, not sure about over there but over here the witches were "seeing" things because of the philosibin (where shrooms come from  )spores that were growing in their rye seeds that they used for bread. Man talk about being on a constant trip your whole life, I bet they did look like they were crazy when the other settlers took notice of them.