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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #75 on: April 21, 2009, 08:09:44 PM »
So......

I'm wondering whose bright idea it was to bring a live one here for trial?

WTF?

So much simpler to just put a bullet in his head and toss the p.o.s. over the side to feed the fish.


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This is what separates US from THEM.  We are a nation that tries our best to live by the rule of law.  It is the only thing that separates us from anarchy, tyranny, and dictatorship.  Your idea is the type of justice one found in Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, North Korea, and a host of other unsavory places.  Do you want to be the one to shoot an unarmed, handcuffed 16 year old in the head?  While it may fill some emotional need for vengeance all I can say is "not in my country". 
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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #76 on: April 21, 2009, 09:38:45 PM »
Do you want to be the one to shoot an unarmed, handcuffed 16 year old in the head?

I'd take the cuffs off first.

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #77 on: April 21, 2009, 10:00:12 PM »
Do you want to be the one to shoot an unarmed, handcuffed 16 year old in the head?

I'd take the cuffs off first.



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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #78 on: April 22, 2009, 06:56:04 AM »
Do you want to be the one to shoot an unarmed, handcuffed 16 year old in the head?

I'd take the cuffs off first.



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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #79 on: April 22, 2009, 07:30:11 AM »
Do you want to be the one to shoot an unarmed, handcuffed 16 year old in the head?

I'd take the cuffs off first.



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  I doubt it Fuzzy, you big ole teddy bear. ;)

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #80 on: April 22, 2009, 01:20:20 PM »
Q-ship (kyōō" shǐp')
n.
A decoy ship, especially an armed ship disguised as a merchant ship to entice submarines to surface so that they may be attacked with gunfire.


Usually a clunky old steamer that was thought to be not worth a torpedo thus enticing the submariner to surface and attack with his deck gun. Then panels would drop and guns would be trained out - or deck mounted "cranes" would suddenly become larger guns. Some had torpedo tubes of their own.
Used with mixed results against the Germans in WWI and WWII and suggested by some as a tactic to use against the pirates.

Might have to update the concept some...... Q-container on a container ship maybe? How hard could it be to put a minigun in a box? Pop open the door and fire when attacked. Reach out and touch someone with a few hundred rounds of 7.62 NATO ball(or Warsaw Pact equivalent). Don't go looking for trouble but deal with it if it comes to you.


not that Somalia means much in the grand scheme of things anyway, I had a few extra moments to read a few articles for background.

I was shocked.

The articles about American Imperialism mostly got deleted and replaced by stories about how the Europeans dump nuclear and other hazardous waste there, and how the Asians are poaching all the fish.

go figure.

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #81 on: April 22, 2009, 03:39:59 PM »
well said Mark, if they better equip them selves, I bet they will be left alone, they'll just atack more of the other poor souls from other countries then though.
I know for one thing if I am out in the high seas I would be packin some heat, wether legal or not I gotta worry about me and my own( me and the crew ;) ;D ) cause ya know they are like a brother hood, hell we sign guys have to share rooms when we go on installs around and we even watch out for each other, ya know those good ol' boys gotta do it to. Espically if they are like most of us, hell I spend more time with the people I work with than my own family, ya get pretty fond of your brothers from another mothers ;) :D
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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #82 on: April 22, 2009, 04:39:51 PM »
Say you are a fisherman with a small boat:
If you and your family were starving, if you had watched your traditional fishing grounds scraped clean by foreign factory trawlers operating inshore with impunity because your country has no government or military to force them out of territorial waters... plus there are stacks of light weapons in every market going for pennies... what would you do, knowing that hundreds of unarmed ships motor past every week? Especially knowing that upping an occasional ransom is cheaper for their owners than providing protection for all their ships, either arming (and training the crews to use the armaments properly/safely and paying damages to anyone they shoot up by mistake?) or escorting them?

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #83 on: April 22, 2009, 04:47:43 PM »
I'd trade the AK's for some food.....

Or ask civilised nations to help them patrol their national fishing waters....

Or start a farm....

Or find another way to feed myself and family that didn't involve pointing weapons at innocent people doing their jobs.
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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #84 on: April 22, 2009, 05:00:14 PM »
Traditional fishing grounds scraped clean? Cmon now, there are plenty of fish in the sea. I am sure there are plenty of fisherman in the wrong jurisdiction but not that many. The guy who is in prison will be an example just like his buddies not to mess with the U.S. Just mess with everyone else  ;D

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #85 on: April 23, 2009, 10:05:40 AM »
Yeah if the fish were gone I would do just like my grandparents did, move ;)
I remember my granpa Patrick telling stories of when they were young and lived in a shack outside of Omaha NE, a 10ft x10ft shack not power or water and it was about 50ft off of the MO river and the girls(seven kids in all) were the ones that got to stay in the part of the shack that had a stove. The boys were up and in the fields by 4:00 am doing chores, this stopped at 7 for breakfast, some bread and milk and if you were lucky you got some extra bread crusts to soak in milk and eat. He told me stories of him and his brother ridin' the trains and becoming hobos' for a few years, they would stop at different towns and split up to do some work, they would meet up back at the train yard and one would have a pint of milk and the other had some bread. If they didn't have the money they worked for it, even when he had my mom and her sister and brother along with grandma, grandpa didn't have money he'd go find work for it and starve while the rest of the family had food.

Third world country or not good honest people are good people and the others are not.
My grandpa would have taken the cheap guns, taken the family and moved where need be to make it work honestly.
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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #86 on: April 23, 2009, 10:35:47 AM »
You leave, it's what immigrants do all the time.
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« Reply #87 on: April 23, 2009, 10:46:01 AM »
Can't remember where I learned about this.  But, the context was maritime devices meant to deter/discourage boarding and piracy.

Somewhere on the ship was a store of thermite grenades.  When the hostile boarding vessel came along side, two or three were tossed upon it.  These grenades burn at 2200 F and water can't extinguish it.  So, they keep burning/ melting through decks until they fall out the bottom of the hull.   The attacking vessel then sinks, and swimming survivors generally let go of weapons to stay buoyant.  The defending vessel occupants can then decide to either fish them out of the sea, or go all ahead full.

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #88 on: April 23, 2009, 10:48:35 AM »
Can't remember where I learned about this.  But, the context was maritime devices meant to deter/discourage boarding and piracy.

Somewhere on the ship was a store of thermite grenades.  When the hostile boarding vessel came along side, two or three were tossed upon it.  These grenades burn at 2200 F and water can't extinguish it.  So, they keep burning/ melting through decks until they fall out the bottom of the hull.   The attacking vessel then sinks, and swimming survivors generally let go of weapons to stay buoyant.  The defending vessel occupants can then decide to either fish them out of the sea, or go all ahead full.

Why couldn't his work today?


That sounds awesome. "Hey dudes, yer sinking... hopefully you have some buddies around to pick ya up soon!"
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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #89 on: April 23, 2009, 11:47:48 AM »
Couldn't these large ships just drop anchor on these little ships?

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« Reply #90 on: April 23, 2009, 01:22:51 PM »
Forward to 1:45                Hey! You scratched my anchor!
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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #91 on: April 23, 2009, 01:24:56 PM »
don't even have to wait for it to load to know what that clip is.


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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #92 on: April 23, 2009, 01:29:55 PM »
Can't remember where I learned about this.  But, the context was maritime devices meant to deter/discourage boarding and piracy.

Somewhere on the ship was a store of thermite grenades.  When the hostile boarding vessel came along side, two or three were tossed upon it.  These grenades burn at 2200 F and water can't extinguish it.  So, they keep burning/ melting through decks until they fall out the bottom of the hull.   The attacking vessel then sinks, and swimming survivors generally let go of weapons to stay buoyant.  The defending vessel occupants can then decide to either fish them out of the sea, or go all ahead full.

Why couldn't his work today?

Genius... They could even convert a distress flare to one of those grenades too

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #93 on: April 23, 2009, 08:04:10 PM »
Thermite is kid stuff. We used Willie Peter which is White Phosphorus. When they were hiding in Rice Paddies you fired some rockets in the area and they came up fast.....sometimes.   
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« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2009, 11:33:06 PM »
Thermite is kid stuff. We used Willie Peter which is White Phosphorus. When they were hiding in Rice Paddies you fired some rockets in the area and they came up fast.....sometimes.   
Dunno about the kid stuff.
I did a little reading up on WP.  You can put it out with enough water to deprive it of oxygen.  There is plenty of that at sea.  It is more anti personnel than thermite and can leave nasty and painful burns, as long as it is supplied with air.  This could be a PR problem with the touchy feelly crowd who would consider it cruel.  I remember we had phosphorous flare ordinance aboard ship, and were trained to put them out with sea water and a snorkel nozzle.

Thermite generates it's own oxygen during the reaction.  I was misinformed about the temps it reaches.  It gets to 2500C (4500F).  Thermite can be, and is used for welding metals, typically railroad track sections.
Water just makes it mad.  It takes the oxygen out of H2O and liberates hydrogen gas.  If there is free air around, you have a hot ignition source, Hydrogen gas, and oxygen, making a highly flammable event very likely.  A ship's bilge often has water down there.    Thar she blows...

Publicity about sinking a pirate ship would probably be favorable, as opposed to reports about phosphorus burns on people, whether they be pirates, or not.  Har.
WP is controversial when used on personnel even in war time.  But, WP makes such good smoke screens, few countries will make treaties disallowing its use, the US among them.

Anyway, it's hard to imagine kids playing with 4500F temps, and still becoming adults afterward.

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2009, 11:39:05 PM »
kinda like this:

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #96 on: April 24, 2009, 12:11:30 AM »
don't even have to wait for it to load to know what that clip is.


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Hey I as going to say that!

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #97 on: April 24, 2009, 08:48:50 AM »
WP is primarily only used by the US and Israel today. It was originally intended to lay down smoke screens. The stuff is light so small missles could be fired from the air as a marker, lay down cover for the LZ, or Fug them up. The missles would disperse fragments upon impact.

It should be banned as a weapon, if you ever saw the result of an attack, any decent person would feel the same way.

The Thermite is heavier and we carried a few grenades in the event your ship went down and could not be recovered. Toss one in the cockpit and a couple in the side doors, and a couple of million in taxpayer money was gone. It was better than having the miniguns and ammo in the other guys hands. The problem with grenades is that you have to let them get too close.

These Pirates are in some pretty poor boats and the RPGs can't go all that far. With all the guys returning from Iraq and Afghanistan without jobs, they could ride shotgun on ships and with some 50Cals they could drive them off or sink them.   
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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #98 on: April 24, 2009, 10:29:04 AM »
If you can get close enough to board someones ship you are close enough to receive a grenade toss.

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Re: Somali pirates
« Reply #99 on: April 24, 2009, 10:38:12 AM »
kinda skipped throught this thread, but ill stick with my idea, take his eyepatch, and his cool curvey sword stick him on a firestone inner tube and let fate happen.