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Offline B.O.X.N.I.F.E.

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Is this cam toast? - pic
« on: May 19, 2009, 08:27:09 PM »
Got this from an auction, seller says cam lobes look good. Look rusty to me, maybe I'm crazy.

looks mostly surface, with maybe some very fine pitting. Run it or leave his ass some negative feedback?



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Re: Is this cam toast? - pic
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2009, 08:43:54 PM »
That doesnt look "good" to me. Serviceable, maybe. But not "good".
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Re: Is this cam toast? - pic
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2009, 09:00:41 PM »
I steel wooled it and it all came off. Pitting is minor, I actually have worse on my old cam.

But what about the lobe coating? I've never known what the factory coating was on the lobes. Usually it's dark grey, exposing silver as it wears over time. The new cam doesn't have have much of the darker coating left.
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Re: Is this cam toast? - pic
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2009, 11:27:00 PM »
have you measured the cam lobes to see if they are within wear tolerances - that might give you a bit more confidence in using it.


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Re: Is this cam toast? - pic
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 07:01:48 AM »
Cams actually wernt coated they were just cast iron its the followers that were hardened
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Re: Is this cam toast? - pic
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 07:46:24 AM »
The back portion on lower part of pic is the original height, if there is a distinct ridge or drop, that would be wear.
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Re: Is this cam toast? - pic
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2009, 08:14:45 AM »
First, aftermarket automotive cams are often coated by parkerizing which does two things.  It helps protect the lobe surfaces from corrosion until it is run inside an engine and it helps hold the initial layer of lubricant on the lobes between assembly and startup.  It is wiped off the points of lobe/follower contact nearly immediately upon running the engine.  This coating will never be present on a used cam so it basically tells one nothing about the condition of a used cam.

Next, what I don't like in the pic is that the rust appears exactly where the cam lobe is under the highest pressure.  It would indicate to me that some thin layer of metal has been removed by wear, exposing a surface more likely to rust than the adjacent areas of the lobe where this wear has not occurred(and thus are not rusting).  Uniform rust on a lobe that is easily removed *may* be acceptable for use on the cheap, but rust only at peak lift of the lobe is not something I'd ever want to see on a cam that was going in but I understand building on the cheap. 

It'll work for awhile, perhaps more.  How's that for a useless answer?  I'm not familiar with the spring pressures or the hardness of the lobe face vs the follower face on these engines but I'd not be surprised if putting this cam in with unmatched followers results in accelerated wear of both cam and followers.  However, assuming bryanj is correct, I'd not be overly worried as a hardened follower should not suffer much at the hands of a non-hardened lobe.  Don't expect top performance from such a cam.

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