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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2009, 10:21:32 PM »
respectfully, if you ( or anyone else for that matter) thinks that the 4/15 TEA parties were ONLY about taxes you have either been misinformed or do not understand the (several) reasons for the events. It`s not so much about taxes as it is about fiscal responsibility or LACK thereof (from ALL parties). It`s about giving the common man his VOICE back and reminding the good folks in DC that THEY work for US. If ya`ll think it was "right wing" or silly or a waste of time you are entitled to your opinion of course but IMO you are only doing yourselves a disservice, this country belongs to ALL of us Dem,Rep,Lib,Con,Indies...all of us.

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as a registered independent, i've voted both dem and gop, i can tell you to brush this off as a vast right wing yadda yadda, is short sighted at best. i went to the boston rally and there were people of all spots and stripes. blew my mind to see 'hippie' kids with signs. i talked to folks too and it was clear this wasn't, as so called news programs like cnn wish to dismiss, some right winger/fox news orgy. boston and other protests featured people angry fed up with the gop as much as the dems. it's both parties fault kids. correction: it's we the people who allowed this to happen, our fault.

and i'm inching closer to being an activist.

just to add: if this was some right winger gig it would have been a sight better funded. the boston gig was as grass roots as you can get... i saw this with my own eyes.

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and i'm inching closer to being an activist.

If everyone was an activist, would we be in this mess?

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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2009, 10:32:46 PM »
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Hey Billy, maybe you could start a new Facebook group.  ;)

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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2009, 10:36:47 PM »
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Hey Billy, maybe you could start a new Facebook group.  ;)


So I could spend another minute of my day ignoring one more group invite. ;D

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2009, 10:38:14 PM »
You get your shot at revolution every couple of years. Get involved and get the vote out if you really want to make a difference.

Huh, that's funny, I thought our votes didn't count for diddly. Remember 2000?

If voting really did anything substantial they wouldn't allow us to do it.

No need to be that cynical. Pick a candidate you can believe and head out into your community and make it happen. If there are no candidates run yourself.

That's how it works.

Things have been worse in the past - especially at the local level. We're still here. You can change it yourself. If I was prettier, more personable, didn't have quite as sordid a history and was slighty more motivated I'd run.

Hell, HST almost got himself elected sheriff in Pitkin County. If that doesn't give you some solace I don't know what will. Bottom up.

Now if we were to publicly fund your campaign you might even stand a chance you big freak  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2009, 05:49:44 AM »
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Hey Billy, maybe you could start a new Facebook group.  ;)


So I could spend another minute of my day ignoring one more group invite. ;D

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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2009, 06:16:53 AM »
You know what is really funny about all this is that taxes used to be MUCH higher. I am not sure how people think we are supposed to pay for everything while keeping low taxes. I mean where should we cut, besides getting out of iraq and afganistan? We could cut welfare, but then there will be more homeless and I know how people hate having homeless wandering everywhere. We could cut education, but then we will have millions of people without educations working bottom bucket jobs OR homeless. I suppose if you have money already and can afford a private school, you do not care. Most of use cant do that.

I know ,we can cut infrastructure! Who cares if we have to go back to gravel roads and cant ride because of it! So what if our electrical grid goes down all the time, we will have saved so much in taxes that we can afford to replace all the food in our freezers ever couple months!

Now I am not saying to raise taxes to the moon, far from it but we have to realize that at this point in time, we NEED taxes to pay for things that WE as a society want our govt to operate.

According to this article, we COULD be paying much higher.
http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=19

I will certainly say that when Bush came in, I certainly did not make more money. With Obama, I have not made less.

I guess I wonder how much of this tea party stuff is based off of bad info. I mean, they want to protest taxes but how many will actually have their tax rates changed that much?

I guess I just wonder how people think we will pay for things that we take for granted. Hey we need this road fixed, do we set out a collection bucket?

BTW, not trying to offend here. Just that people seem to want to protest but have no solid ideas.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2009, 07:34:38 AM »
well, i'd say give it time. under this admin. you will make less, and what you end up with will buy less and everyone will feel the pinch of higher taxes. oh, and let's not forget they want even more stimulus money... and they're printing more money to cover it. it's called hyperinflation. also, as it's been said before, it's more than the tax issue. plus, the tax party stuff isn't based on bad info (whatever that means), what the protests are about is irresponsible actions of the elected officials. They rushed through the tax code w/o reading, not to mention only the smallest portion of the u.s. population can even understand the tax code as is. pork barrel spending, again, pork barrel spending could be cut right now and that would be an immediate improvement. and in case you haven't noticed, the roads suuuuck. so where's my money going? btw: the changes proposed will affect the poorest among us (like me) before it hurts the so called rich. higher energy tax? geez, the guy with the giant suv making 180k can still afford to fill his tank but i won't be able to put gas in my civic... that's a regressive tax. i have much respect for our european kin, but come on, they were hurting before the u.s. and for longer. do you really want to be more like the euros? do you really want a gov. to take care of everything?! they eff up what they do now! that, pretty much everyone agrees on. 

making extreme references towards gravel roads and closing schools suggest you think the fed is barely getting enough $$ as it is. am i wrong? the gov. spends our money like drunken sailors, then comes up with a new tax to pay for things they should be paying for in the first place. tell me, when money is tight in your house do you say "hey, this is a good time to go out and buy that new car"? no, you tighten your belt. so why is the gov. planning all this new spending when the economy is in the can? you and i can't get away with it so how is it ok for obama & co. to do it?

ultimately, i'm not trying to convert anyone, just spouting off, because time will prove my point for me. i wish i was wrong. but be prepared for another depression if we continue on this course. ok, going back to my sick bed... send flowers. :'(
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2009, 08:48:07 AM »
All you right wingers keep talking about making less money because of increased taxes...

Any of you actually PAYING higher personal taxes?

Stop speculating and sit down.  It's been all of 3 months.
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2009, 08:54:21 AM »
So then who takes care of interstates? They are pretty decent right now in most areas. Local roads are done by local govt which gets a lot of federal funding to maintain those roads. If the roads you have stink, talk to your local govt then.
But remember, if this fed money did not come in, then your local tax would be much higher.
You talk about pork spending, but what is pork? Money for things you think are worthless? Remember, there are people that rely on that pork. I bet there are things where you live that were built, fixed, or otherwise improved because of some pork.

I certainly do not have the answer but I do not think whacking taxes is the answer either.

As dan said, it has been 3 months. Give it a year and lets see where things are at. Remember, this crisis was started during right winger control. No one said anything about TARP, so why not then give Obama at least a little time here?

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2009, 10:56:09 AM »
All you right wingers keep talking about making less money because of increased taxes...

Any of you actually PAYING higher personal taxes?

Stop speculating and sit down.  It's been all of 3 months.

Aside from the name calling I am your arch enemy.  :D ;) Technically speaking of course.  ;D

I make no claims to politics...

But my income, sales, property, vehicle, and cigarette tax all went up compared to last year.

I'm neither party, nor do I place blame. But at some point I want someone to tell me wtf the telecom excise tax is for?? Or why I have to pay an extreme increase in property taxes when I have done absolutley nothing to it. Neither good nor bad.

Or why last year it only cost me $75 to register and license a bike but this year it will be more, even though there are more riders on the road this year.

It's questions like these that no one even tries to answer when I call my state and local reps.

So just because I don't donate every year makes me a leper?? It pains me to think what would happen if we were given the chance to replace all of our reps.

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« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2009, 11:17:33 AM »
Havoc, I'll take you as an arch enemy over some *ahem* other members any day  ;D

The question I have is, were any of those tax increases on a federal level?  It sounds as though those higher taxes you're paying (income, sales, property, title/registration, cigarette, gas, etc.) are all state controlled.
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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2009, 11:39:42 AM »
All you right wingers keep talking about making less money because of increased taxes...

Any of you actually PAYING higher personal taxes?

Stop speculating and sit down.  It's been all of 3 months.

I'm sitting... I thnik it would be a wonderful idea to rehash this in 3 years 9 months... But all you left wingers will deny that there beloved president did anything wrong.

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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2009, 12:06:52 PM »
They might deny it but if a person screws up, they screw up. If Obama screws up, I will not deny it. But then I voted constitution!

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income, sales, property, vehicle, and cigarette tax

What part of your income? Property is done on a state level. Vehicle is state. Cig tax can be both but states love to raise this too.

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« Reply #38 on: April 17, 2009, 01:12:50 PM »
I haven't ahd the chance to read the whole post yet but wern't the creation of taxxes and the IRS to help get us out of the great depression, and only commericial business was suppost to be the ones getting taxxed? Individuall personal income wasn't ever suppost to be taxxed.
Hope I didn't ask something that already has been mentioned, I gotta go back and read up ya'll are busy here. :D

Oh yeah the cigarette tax... Yeah lets tax the hell out of someone that has an addiction to something that is as addicting as heroin, they have no choice and we will get our money from that. (Insert evil gov laugh) This is also coming from a non smoker(for a year now ;D ) We will also not give them any help to quit this evil addiction that we have let pollute our people legally.
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« Reply #39 on: April 17, 2009, 02:21:08 PM »
Havoc, I'll take you as an arch enemy over some *ahem* other members any day  ;D

The question I have is, were any of those tax increases on a federal level?  It sounds as though those higher taxes you're paying (income, sales, property, title/registration, cigarette, gas, etc.) are all state controlled.

Honestly I posted only to be a simpleton and stir some crap.

My income was boosted on ALL levels.

My county has 8.25% sales tax. Drive 15 minutes to WI and its 3% cheaper. Regardless of federal or state that is BS.

Property tax is "based" on the state level but the fed has their fingers in it as well.

Title/Registration is purely state but you still have to pay it right? Why only extend the hatred to feds... make staties hurt some too.

Cigarettes are state controlled yes but the average has gone up do to constant pressure in congress from lobbyists. If I want to kill myself slowly... I'll blow it in your pansy face and watch as you die faster.

Gas is heavily federally taxed. Anyone who thinks it isn't is a fool. Then you tack on state, and price gouging by the oil companes and why buy gas at all?? If it were milk or butter.... everyone would switch to goat and margarine. Or some other alternative. Just because there isnt a viable one at the moment doesn't mean you just give up and poke your thumb up your butt to relieve the pain.

All I wanted to do was point out that regardless of left or right wing.... we're all in a world of hurt if something isn't done. Forget about who to blame. Just focus on a way to fix it. Or at least make it bearable. As a commoner that's all I ask.
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« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2009, 08:49:37 PM »

I just have to ask this of any Tea Baggers out there regardless of political affiliation.  How did you get the taste out of your mouth after a full day of tea bagging on the 15th. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2009, 06:05:28 AM »
My spirits were definitely lifted watching the thousands of people across the USA who are sick of bailouts, big government and the rest.  I don't know if it will do any good, but at least I felt better for a day.

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« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2009, 08:09:10 AM »
My spirits were definitely lifted watching the thousands of people across the USA who are sick of bailouts, big government and the rest.  I don't know if it will do any good, but at least I felt better for a day.

I have had this very thought about how people are standing up like nothing we have seen for since before I was born.

I also have a thought that the US gov is getting ready to awakin' a very large sleeping dog (the US public ;) ) and there is going to be some changes very soon, glad I own an acre of land at least to grow my veggies and chickens and maybe a calf or two if I am lucky.

This also the reason that I want 10 acres of land out of the city and I will for sure to the cows and chickens like my parents did when I was growing up.


I think needless to say I was always right about following my grandparents ways and do things my self; like having savings, not spending unless you have it(getting better as I get older), learn how to hunt for two reasons.
1 : to be able to feed yourself along with learning the respesct of the land.
2 : to pass on the ancestry of my heritage of farming and hunting and where I came from, along with respecting the freedoms of guns and fishing/hunting and trapping.

There many things that are being lost with every new generation because of propaganda and a collection of evils that have never gone away since our forefathers fought this same fight, that all has helped get us where we are almost de-evolving to the point of losing our Idientitys'.
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« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2009, 08:35:59 AM »
There many things that are being lost with every new generation because of propaganda and a collection of evils that have never gone away since our forefathers fought this same fight, that all has helped get us where we are almost de-evolving to the point of losing our Idientitys'.

Ah, the "good old days" argument.  Because things were better "back then" right?

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« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2009, 08:52:02 AM »
All I got to say about the "bailout" sh*t going on...
Is this:
The revolutionary war was fought because roughly 1/2 of the country opposed slavery.(or simply followed the presidents lead) while the other half liked slavery the way it was.




Too bad the general populace is so FREIKING out gunned compared to the military, or there WOULD be another revolutionary war in the near future IMO.
limit the guns the populace can have, and you have a sheep herd essentially.
You can kill, herd, and force them to do whatever you want.









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« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2009, 09:14:10 AM »
All I got to say about the "bailout" sh*t going on...
Is this:
The revolutionary war was fought because roughly 1/2 of the country opposed slavery.(or simply followed the presidents lead) while the other half liked slavery the way it was.

Not sure which Revolutionary war you're talking about Soos...


Too bad the general populace is so FREIKING out gunned compared to the military, or there WOULD be another revolutionary war in the near future IMO.
limit the guns the populace can have, and you have a sheep herd essentially.
You can kill, herd, and force them to do whatever you want.

See the Revolutionary War worked back in the 18th century because domestic weapons (a.k.a. hunting weapons) were on the same technological level as military weapons.  Seeing as how modern military weapons have advanced lightyears beyond the common hunting rifle, does it make sense to allow the common citizen to purchase an M-16 or a Bradley APC with a 20mm cannon on top?

This is why the 2nd Amendment hasn't aged well.  Everyone always forgets about the "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State," part (which is in fact the National Guard, created by the state and controlled by the state elected governor).
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« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2009, 12:10:40 PM »
First of all Dan you got me all wrong, its all part of remembering where you came from so you know where your going, maybe then history won't be on the upper hand to repeat itself. I am on your side brother  ;) technology is the shizzle, on the other hand I talked about de-evolving because we have become a society were you essentially are protected from yourself, what happened to survival of the fittest so if I wanted to pierce my self(earrings) it is against the law and I will got to jail for it, sorry if I didn't clarify that correctly.

The good ol' days is no arguement for me, it just wasn't all good back then.

The second amendment has not aged well because of the same people that gave us the fancy plastic beer bottles when your tryin' to have a good time at the stadium watchin the game, a simple lack of control causes that to happen, also the amendment was also created for us to protect ourselves from an unruly government from overturning us.( I gotta go and find that now)

second amendment:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed."

for each individual state:

Alabama Constitution Article I, Section 26

That the great, general and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare... That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.


Alaska Constitution Article I, Section 19

A well- regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The individual right to keep and bear arms shall not be denied or infringed by the State or a political subdivision of the State.


Arizona Constitution, Article 2, Section 26

The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain, or employ an armed body of men.


Arkansas Constitution Article II, Section 5

The citizens of this State shall have the right to keep and bear arms for their common defense.


Colorado Constitution Article II, Section 13

The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons.


Connecticut Constitution Article I, Section 15

Every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.


Delaware Constitution Article I, Section 20

A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use.


Florida Constitution Article I, Section 8(a)

The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.

Georgia Constitution Article I, Section 1, Paragraph VIII.

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but the General Assembly shall have power to prescribe the manner in which arms may be borne.

Hawaii Constitution Article I, Section 17

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


Idaho Constitution Article I, Section 11

The people have the right to keep and bear arms, which right shall not be abridged; but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to govern the carrying of weapons concealed on the person nor prevent passage of legislation providing minimum sentences for crimes committed while in possession of a firearm, nor prevent the passage of legislation providing penalties for the possession of firearms by a convicted felon, nor prevent the passage of any legislation punishing the use of a firearm. No law shall impose licensure, registration or special taxation on the ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition. Nor shall any law permit the confiscation of firearms, except those actually used in the commission of a felony.


Illinois Constitution Article I, Section 22

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


Indiana Constitution Article I, Section 32

The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State.


Kansas Constitution Bill of Rights 4

The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be tolerated, and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.


Kentucky Constitution Section 1

All men are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned: ... Seventh: The right to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the State, subject to the power of the General Assembly to enact laws to prevent persons from carrying concealed weapons.


Louisiana Constitution Article I, Section 11

The right of each citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged, but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to prohibit the carrying of weapons concealed on the person.


Maine Constitution Article 1, Section 16

Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.


Massachusetts Constitution Part The First, Article XVII

The people have a right to keep and to bear arms for the common defence. And as, in time of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be maintained without the consent of the legislature; and the military power shall always be held in an exact subordination to the civil authority, and be governed by it.


Michigan Constitution Article I, Section 6

Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.


Mississippi Constitution Article III, Section 12

The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but the legislature may regulate or forbid carrying concealed weapons.


Missouri Constitution Article I, Section 23

That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned; but this shall not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.


Montana Constitution Article II, Section 12

The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question, but nothing herein contained shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons.

Montana Constitution Article VI, Section 13(2)

The militia forces shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of the state except those exempted by law.


Nebraska Constitution Article I, Section 1

All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights; among these are life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to keep and bear arms for security or defense of self, family, home, and others, and for lawful common defense, hunting, recreational use, and all other lawful purposes, and such rights shall not be denied or infringed by the state or any subdivision thereof. To secure these rights, and the protection of property, governments are instituted among people, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.


Nevada Constitution Article 1, Section 11, [1.]

Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes.


New Hampshire Constitution Part First, Article 2-a

All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.

New Hampshire Constitution Part First, Article 13

No person, who is conscientiously scrupulous about the lawfulness of bearing arms, shall be compelled thereto.


New Mexico Constitution Article II, Section 6

No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing herein shall be held to permit the carrying of concealed weapons. No municipality or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident of the right to keep and bear arms.


North Carolina Constitution Article I, Section 30

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and, as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty. they shall not be maintained, and the military shall be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. Nothing herein shall justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons, or prevent the General Assembly from enacting penal statutes against that practice.


North Dakota Constitution Article I, Section 1

All individuals are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation; pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness; and to keep and bear arms for the defense of their person, family, property, and the state, and for lawful hunting, recreational and other lawful purposes, which shall not be infringed.


Ohio Constitution Article I, Section 4

The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be kept up; and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.

Ohio Constitution Article I, Section 1

All men are, by nature, free and independent, and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and seeking and obtaining happiness and safety.


Oklahoma Constitution Article II, Section 26

The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited; but nothing herein contained shall prevent the Legislature from regulating the carrying of weapons.


Oregon Constitution Article I, Section 27

The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves, and the State, but the Military shall be kept in strict subordination to the civil power[.]


Pennsylvania Constitution Article I, Section 21

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.


Rhode Island Constitution Article I, Section 22

The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


South Carolina Constitution Article I, Section 20

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. As, in times of peace, armies are dangerous to liberty, they shall not be maintained without the consent of the General Assembly. The military power of the State shall always be held in subordination to the civil authority and be governed by it. No soldier shall in time of peace be quartered in any house without the consent of the owner nor in time of war but in the manner prescribed by law.


South Dakota Constitution Article VI, Section 24

The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be denied.


Tennessee Constitution Article I, Section 26

That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime.


Texas Constitution Article I, Section 23

Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself or the State; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms, with a view to prevent crime.


Utah Constitution Article I, Section 6

The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed; but nothing herein shall prevent the Legislature from defining the lawful use of arms.


Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State - and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.


Virginia Constitution Article I, Section 13

That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.


Washington Constitution Article I, Section 24

The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.


West Virginia Constitution Article III, Section 22

A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, and for lawful hunting and recreational use.


Wisconsin Constitution Article I, Section 25

The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose.


Wyoming Constitution Article I, Section 24

The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied.



States Without Specific Constitutional Provisions:

Only six states fail to enumerate a Right to Keep and Bear Arms Clause. Of these states, Iowa and New Jersey have a general "defending life and liberty" clause for self-protection.


California: Nothing.

However, the California Constitution provides for "inalienable rights" including "defending life and liberty ... and protecting property..." Article I, Section 1 reads:

All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

Furthermore, once the Second Amendment is properly defined as an individual right (hopefully in the Emerson Case), then Article III, Section 1 of the California Constitution would apply the Second Amendment to the State Laws of California. Article III, Section 1 reads:

The State of California is an inseparable part of the United States of America, and the United States Constitution is the supreme law of the land.


Iowa Constitution Article I, Section 1Iowa Constitution Article I, Section 1

All men are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inalienable rights - among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.


Maryland: Nothing


Minnesota: Nothing


New Jersey Constitution Article I, [1.]

All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain natural and unalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and of pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.


New York: Nothing specific, however Article XII, Section 1 of the Constitution covers both the "organized" and "unorganized" militia and reads:

The defense and protection of the state and of the United States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized militia.

Article 2, Section 4 of the New York Civil Rights Law also reads almost identical to the Second Amendment:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.


 Soos are you talking about the civil war?

Look here
 http://www.civilwar.com/

I have a firm belief(remember this is just my opinion) that just to see what happened with katrina and how the nat guardsmen were in tears because they were ordered to do what they had to do to the people that were luding all the stuff from the stores when they knew the people were doing what they were doing  to stay alive and because the gov fell short of the help that was suppost to be there. I thin that when it comes down to it we might just see our militaries split into the governments group and the peoples group.

There is also talks about several states that want to succed from the union, i.e. Texas, Oklahoma...


 That is also why I have my thoughts about being able to grow my own veggies, raise my own yardbirds and cows.
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2009, 08:43:34 AM »
Well as July 4th rolls around it may be time to check in on the The New American Revolution.  How's that going for ya? Even bigger rallies this time around?  Even more massive media coverage? Got yer tea bags out?   LMAO ;D
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2009, 08:52:30 AM »
I thought Minnesota was absorbed by our great neighbors to the North?  ;D
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2009, 09:13:55 AM »
Well I know I am about to blow up some shizzle, eat BBQ, drink unfiltered wheat beer and tell my kids to calm down. ;D








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