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The New American Revolution
« on: April 15, 2009, 02:03:39 PM »
Now this is worth every minute to watch and very hard to disagree with in whole.


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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2009, 02:08:53 PM »
Well that's........... interesting.
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2009, 02:51:44 PM »
He's right. Everyone's gone soft.

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 03:03:38 PM »
We're too busy being concerned about who the next American Idol, Dancing Star, or poor, poor Milly Cirus getting dissed to be concerned with paltry things like our liberty and representation by our non-representatives.

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009, 03:27:56 PM »
In principle I can't argue with it at all. There are some specifics maybe.

And I don't know that I want to teabag my particular elected official. That doesn't sound like fun at all.


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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 03:30:07 PM »
AS I said before, you keep the people preoccupied or otherwise busy(work, tv, ect) and you can do anything. Of course if a few million more lose their jobs, then there might be enough people with nothing better to do than initiate crack downs on the govt.

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 03:36:25 PM »
Eh, publicly fund elections. Decide that the airwaves will have a statutory amount of advertising for candidates and that ALL debates will be aired in their entirety. Fix up whatever groaning about corporate 1st amendment rights needs fixing and get on with electing public servants instead of PR campaigns.

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« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 04:21:57 PM »
This is sounding suspiciously like a political thread.  One can watch the vid and go right(pun intended) down the line and point out the right's position as the left is being railed on.  And while it sounds like the people of the House and Senate are being sullied equally, think again.  Considering that the left has the majority, they don't care who might get hurt collaterally.  As long as their message gets through
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 04:28:09 PM »
Might be embarrassing to stand next to this guy in the protest


No one's going to, uh, bite on my teabagging comment?  :P

Oh, digging a bit.

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This thing becomes news in Feb 09? Methinks that looks like another PR campaign.
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2009, 04:39:40 PM »
Your non-representatives will love you if you do that, they won't have to buy any TEA BAGS for years. ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 04:40:28 PM »
Ron Paul!


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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2009, 08:00:57 PM »
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2009, 10:04:43 PM »
Ron Paul!



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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2009, 10:22:13 PM »
Some interesting numbers from the Bureau of Public Debt
Outstanding federal debt on 9/30/00  $5,674,178,209,886
Outstanding federal debt on 9/30/08 $10,024,724,896,912

Where was all this Republican and conservative outrage over the last eight years?  It seems to me it's more about being upset over being out of power and feeling helpless than any real concern about fiscal matters.  This whole teabag thing is such a joke.  It's just a bunch of aimless, bitter conservatives yelling in their right wing echo chamber and from the look of many of the signs a good number of outright lunatics too. 
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2009, 04:26:33 AM »
I find it difficult to read and hear all these people talking about being taxed by President Obama. And not a single one of them has been taxed at this new imaginary level.

I tell you what, keep quite, don't incite until you really have something to talk about. Oh wait, maybe you are speaking up for that millionaire that will give you a better job once his or her's taxes are eliminated?
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2009, 05:26:10 AM »
said it before i'll say it again
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2009, 06:50:00 AM »
Wow,

From the replies, I was just labeled a right-winger conservative republican for posting what I thought was a cry against the legislative, executive, and judicial corruption of our government for the last 50+ years. Do you really believe that the last 10-12 presidents, last 50 years of senators and congressman had your best interests at heart. They're main concern has always been getting elected and staying in power as long as they want to be there. Anything else is usually something to the point of chest-pounding and apple-polishing, hearing their voice and seeing their name on things. Do you really enjoy being treated like a criminal when you want to go somewhere and board a airplane? Do you enjoy having to empty all your pockets when you enter any government bldg.? We are the only Democracy that has lasted more than 200 years and that is now starting to come into question whether we will make it much longer. What destroyed the USSR? They were bankrupted by the USA in the arms race. Well, it looks like we are going to do it again, but to ourselves this time. oops......time to step down off the old soapbox and try to figure out what bills i can pay with what is left after what our wonderful leaders took for their share from my pockets. Oh, by the way.... i have been an independant for the last 30+ years.


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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2009, 07:02:27 AM »
Sorry sport, I think Iceland has the oldest democracy and next maybe Ilse of Man, 6 Nations etc.
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 07:27:21 AM »
The thing that gets me is that a group was mobilized against taxation like yesterdays "Tea Party" with strong right wing ties (locally it was sponsored by a vocal right to life group) that fill the heads of mindless people sucking air, consuming fast food, and wanting to impose their beliefs on everyone else to "make a better United States". They are all talking about how they can not buy fast food or what ever else they desire with an increase in their taxes. What??? Did their taxes increase? Wow, when did that happen?

I attached a chart below to show the tax rate for the top 20% incomes in the United States since 1960. So according to the chart, trickle down economics has been working in full force since 1975. So where are the benefits of this philosophy? Were we not suppose to feel the benefit of the wealthy having more? That is what we were told. With the wealthy having so much more in their pockets to build businesses and hire little people, we should all be doing great by now. But no, what really happen was the wealthy like to keep their money. Then invest in politics to relax financial laws to protect their wealth even more. Or build more wealth on the backs of the hard working middle class. They have ruined financial institutions with these reduced laws and then took home huge golden parachutes and bonuses that one of the smallest bonuses would easily pay a family needs for a lifetime.

Don't get me wrong. I love capitalism if the rules are basically good, simple, and fair. I own a small business myself and would love nothing more to see paycheck be in the higher income tax bracket. And guess what, I personally don't mind paying a higher tax because I would be able to afford it!

I have been a believer of a flat tax above a specific poverty level for a long time. But there is way too much business in services, guidance, and help with taxes, and way too many CPA's out there for this to ever happen. Kind of the same situation with the whole weapons industry after WWII (Ike knew, and tried to stop it) that got a big kick during the Vietnam war. We would all be better off if there was a flat 20-25% tax rate for all. From the low income to the wealthy.

If you look at all the 1st world countries, Denmark has the highest citizen satisfaction of government rating and the highest average income at the same time. Denmark's tax rate is 43% flat! Yes 43%... But the citizens see what their tax money is providing for as individuals, a government, and a society. Great roads and services. Great utilities including in country self-sufficient power production. One of the best semi-socialized medical programs in the world, Canada and Britain are a joke. And all citizens get free education through college! And if you are laid off, rare with a very low unemployment rate of around 3%, you get full unemployment benefits at a living wage and reeducation for the changing work place. This is all done with a fairly small governmental foot print.

I think all this taxation BS that we see and hear right now at rallies, on hate radio, and in politics would go away if we saw tangible proof of improvement. If we could see good things that our taxes were paying for we wouldn't hear a fraction of anger. But the anger is miss placed and directed at a new administration that a group has publicly stated that they want it to fail. I am sorry, 100 days is not enough time to make a dent in the system, but I think we can, with the right people. Remember all, we do not live in a democracy, we live in a republic. We elect representatives and only do we exercise our democracy during an election that requires public involvement. And when you get down to it, the Presidency is elected by representatives also, not a public vote...

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2009, 08:25:48 AM »
Jeez SD that made sense! But wait till ed gets here and shares his nightmares of socialism anything! ;D

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2009, 04:57:44 PM »
The thing that gets me is that a group was mobilized against taxation like yesterdays "Tea Party" with strong right wing ties (locally it was sponsored by a vocal right to life group) that fill the heads of mindless people sucking air, consuming fast food, and wanting to impose their beliefs on everyone else to "make a better United States". They are all talking about how they can not buy fast food or what ever else they desire with an increase in their taxes. What??? Did their taxes increase? Wow, when did that happen?

I attached a chart below to show the tax rate for the top 20% incomes in the United States since 1960. So according to the chart, trickle down economics has been working in full force since 1975. So where are the benefits of this philosophy? Were we not suppose to feel the benefit of the wealthy having more? That is what we were told. With the wealthy having so much more in their pockets to build businesses and hire little people, we should all be doing great by now. But no, what really happen was the wealthy like to keep their money. Then invest in politics to relax financial laws to protect their wealth even more. Or build more wealth on the backs of the hard working middle class. They have ruined financial institutions with these reduced laws and then took home huge golden parachutes and bonuses that one of the smallest bonuses would easily pay a family needs for a lifetime.

Don't get me wrong. I love capitalism if the rules are basically good, simple, and fair. I own a small business myself and would love nothing more to see paycheck be in the higher income tax bracket. And guess what, I personally don't mind paying a higher tax because I would be able to afford it!

I have been a believer of a flat tax above a specific poverty level for a long time. But there is way too much business in services, guidance, and help with taxes, and way too many CPA's out there for this to ever happen. Kind of the same situation with the whole weapons industry after WWII (Ike knew, and tried to stop it) that got a big kick during the Vietnam war. We would all be better off if there was a flat 20-25% tax rate for all. From the low income to the wealthy.

If you look at all the 1st world countries, Denmark has the highest citizen satisfaction of government rating and the highest average income at the same time. Denmark's tax rate is 43% flat! Yes 43%... But the citizens see what their tax money is providing for as individuals, a government, and a society. Great roads and services. Great utilities including in country self-sufficient power production. One of the best semi-socialized medical programs in the world, Canada and Britain are a joke. And all citizens get free education through college! And if you are laid off, rare with a very low unemployment rate of around 3%, you get full unemployment benefits at a living wage and reeducation for the changing work place. This is all done with a fairly small governmental foot print.

I think all this taxation BS that we see and hear right now at rallies, on hate radio, and in politics would go away if we saw tangible proof of improvement. If we could see good things that our taxes were paying for we wouldn't hear a fraction of anger. But the anger is miss placed and directed at a new administration that a group has publicly stated that they want it to fail. I am sorry, 100 days is not enough time to make a dent in the system, but I think we can, with the right people. Remember all, we do not live in a democracy, we live in a republic. We elect representatives and only do we exercise our democracy during an election that requires public involvement. And when you get down to it, the Presidency is elected by representatives also, not a public vote...



respectfully, if you ( or anyone else for that matter) thinks that the 4/15 TEA parties were ONLY about taxes you have either been misinformed or do not understand the (several) reasons for the events. It`s not so much about taxes as it is about fiscal responsibility or LACK thereof (from ALL parties). It`s about giving the common man his VOICE back and reminding the good folks in DC that THEY work for US. If ya`ll think it was "right wing" or silly or a waste of time you are entitled to your opinion of course but IMO you are only doing yourselves a disservice, this country belongs to ALL of us Dem,Rep,Lib,Con,Indies...all of us.
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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2009, 07:45:58 PM »
Problem is the tea parties are being done by the far right when just a few months ago, they did not care about fiscal responsibility. If they had started doing that years ago or even a few months ago, there would be a little credibility. I think THAT is what sticks in peoples craws.

It might also mean more if it were some besides the right wingers. There may be some but the right makes up most of the groups.

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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2009, 08:40:40 PM »
Well, that's a pretty nice summation:

"For better or for worse, Americans have had a chance to see your ideas, such as they may be, on full display.

Instead, what I want to address here is not what you did during your protests, but how you feel now.  You've said your piece and waved your signs, marched in front of the taxpayer-funded buildings and heard the car honks voicing the approval of your compatriots speeding by on your taxpayer-funded roads.  You took time off of work (if you haven't found yourself laid off in the new Bush economy) to make yourself heard.

And now you're back at home.  Perhaps you're working at the last minute to fill out your belated 1040, frothing at the mouth and cursing the fates with every stroke of the pen.

I want to address the sense of helplessness you feel right now.  The knowledge that, in the long run, nothing you did today made the slightest difference."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/15/720534/-And-now....the-helpless-despair-sets-in

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Re: The New American Revolution
« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2009, 10:07:44 PM »
respectfully, if you ( or anyone else for that matter) thinks that the 4/15 TEA parties were ONLY about taxes you have either been misinformed or do not understand the (several) reasons for the events. It`s not so much about taxes as it is about fiscal responsibility or LACK thereof (from ALL parties). It`s about giving the common man his VOICE back and reminding the good folks in DC that THEY work for US. If ya`ll think it was "right wing" or silly or a waste of time you are entitled to your opinion of course but IMO you are only doing yourselves a disservice, this country belongs to ALL of us Dem,Rep,Lib,Con,Indies...all of us.

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as a registered independent, i've voted both dem and gop, i can tell you to brush this off as a vast right wing yadda yadda, is short sighted at best. i went to the boston rally and there were people of all spots and stripes. blew my mind to see 'hippie' kids with signs. i talked to folks too and it was clear this wasn't, as so called news programs like cnn wish to dismiss, some right winger/fox news orgy. boston and other protests featured people angry fed up with the gop as much as the dems. it's both parties fault kids. correction: it's we the people who allowed this to happen, our fault.

and i'm inching closer to being an activist.

just to add: if this was some right winger gig it would have been a sight better funded. the boston gig was as grass roots as you can get... i saw this with my own eyes.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2009, 10:19:17 PM »
You get your shot at revolution every couple of years. Get involved and get the vote out if you really want to make a difference.

Huh, that's funny, I thought our votes didn't count for diddly. Remember 2000?

If voting really did anything substantial they wouldn't allow us to do it.
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