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how much power did the 350 twins make?
« on: April 12, 2009, 07:37:02 AM »
i was wondering how much horsepower the 350 twins made, 71/72 specifically.

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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2009, 09:59:25 AM »
Hi,

29.7 horsepower at 8,000 rpm.

That's for the CL 350 Twin for all years.

I used the formula in the Clymer manual: horsepower = rpm x torque / 5,252.

For some reason they give you the numbers and make you do the math. I hope this is right and my figuring didn't go wrong.

Rick



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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 08:36:59 AM »
There is a direct relationship between torque and horsepower at any given RPM, as your formula calculates.  However, most engines produce a maximum torque at a lower RPM than where the maximum horsepower is generated.  If you calculated 29.7 as the horsepower from the maximum generated torque, then the engine should still be producing a bit more horsepower at a higher RPM. 

From the figures originally quoted by Honda in their sales literature for the 350 twin, dated February 1968, they claimed maximum horsepower and torque as follows: 36 HP at 10,500rpm and 18.5 lb-ft torque at 9,500rpm.  I always believed these figures were exaggerated, and what you calculated/quoted, although lower, seems more realistic.

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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2009, 05:12:37 AM »
By the time I sold my '72 CB350 K4 it was doing 49bhp at the back wheel....and went like stink!  ;D
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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2009, 01:26:14 PM »
By the time I sold my '72 CB350 K4 it was doing 49bhp at the back wheel....and went like stink!  ;D

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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2009, 02:11:45 PM »
posted this in another thread, but will add here also...


http://www.motorera.com/honda/index.htm


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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2009, 02:46:47 PM »
Nice website, but I don't see specs anywhere there.  The early Honda shop manuals listed horsepower on the specs page.  Except for the 2 extra cylinders, there was little difference between the F model and the twins.  I believe there was only 1 MPH difference in top speed between the F and K.  And 36 sounds right.
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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2009, 07:20:12 PM »
Jeff, it went like this -

CB/CL 350 Twins - 36 horses at some rpm I can't remember - I thought it was 9,000
CB350 Four - 34 horsepower at 9,000
R5/350 Yamaha piston port - 36 horsepower at 7,500
RD350 Yamaha reed motor (1973 and up) - 39 horsepower
A7 Kawasaki street twin- 42 horsepower
A7SS Kawasaki high pipe - 40.5 horsepower
GT380 Suzuki triple - 34 horsepower

305 Yamaha YM1 twin - 29.5 horsepower
305 Honda Superhawk twin/twin carbs- 30 horsepower

I can't remember the rest, but the Honda actually did quite well in all of my riding. A friend had the 1972 R5C Yamaha and the Honda was no match for it on the short end, but Yamaha gave up at 85, the CB350 G would slowly take me to 95. The GT380 was no match for the Honda in any contest. I own an Avenger today and will tell you that the Yamaha and Honda are no match - They say the little S2 triple Kawasaki 350 is faster than the A7. This little A7 will wheelie in the first 2 gears with ease. It just has the ugliest engine ever put on a bike, Whare are those carburetors now?

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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2009, 11:11:11 PM »
In reality (and after dyno'ing) CB350 twins make about 27~28bhp AT REAR WHEEL.
 High compression pistons, 32mm carbs and half decent exhaust push it up to 34 bhp at wheel
 I don't care what the 'claimed output' is, that's what they do.
 350/4 makes less than 350 twin, is heavier and handles worse.........but, it has more potential with more cylinders spinning at higher rpm
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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2009, 05:29:13 AM »

Holy cow !!!!

How did you do that ??!!
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It's worth pointing out that some guys in classic racing here are now getting over 50bhp on the dyno - verified proper rwhp!

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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2009, 05:43:16 AM »
Are there any sites/forums similar to SOHC for the twins more specifically  74 360KO ......



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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009, 12:23:46 PM »
You mean like this one? Talk to Bill he's Da Man!

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Re: how much power did the 350 twins make?
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2009, 01:15:49 PM »
Wellllllllllll that was easy,I had done a Google search but maybe I used the wrong words.....Thank you Lord....
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