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grapppa

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Ignition Frustration
« on: October 20, 2005, 06:24:09 PM »
I am now doing a compete tuneup on my 74 Cb550.  I am trying to set my ignition timing.  I set the points gap...and wanted to measure the voltage across the points when the points are open. I cant get the voltmeter to read voltage regardless of the points..and yes the ignition is ON.  Please clarify for me ???

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2005, 06:33:46 PM »
Is the kill switch set to run?

grapppa

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2005, 06:38:27 PM »
Bowhunter, Next time you are in NJ call me and the beers are on me!

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2005, 06:50:05 PM »
A new source of frustration.  I set the 1-4. Test a few times. Right on F.  Then I set and test 2-3 - right on.  When I recheck 1-4 it is consistently off again (I think too advanced as it fires before the F). I am using a grounded spark plug firing as a reference for when the gap opens...turning the crank with the special washer - all plugs removed. The 2-3 is being set by moving the 2-3 plate....not the 1-4 plate.
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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2005, 10:54:47 AM »
if you are static timing, you can make a test light for about three bucks, that really makes it a million times easier. i used to always do it with a probe-style 12V test lamp, until i made something better.

go to autozone or napa or whatever, and buy a simple 12V lightbulb socket, like the type used for turn signals. buy two alligator clips, and if they don't come with wire attached, buy a small piece of that as well. wire the alligator clips to either side of the light socket, and then simply clip one to ground, and one to your points you are setting. this way, the bulb is hanging right in front of the timing marks, and you can get it perfect. this really helps on the twins, where the points are up above the stator and timing marks, but it still works great for the 550 and 750 as well.

might not solve your timing problems, but it will certainly improve its accuracy.
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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2005, 08:37:09 PM »
OK...bought a very nice light at Lowe;s for 3 bucks and it works like a charm...except I have the same result! After setting 2-3, 1-4 is out again, slightly early. >:(

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2005, 05:07:21 AM »
Try setting 1-4 slightly after the mark.  Then when you adjust 2-3 it should move 1-4 back just enough to get it to where it's supposed to be.  It may not help you figure out why it's doing that in the first place, but hey, if it works, it works. ;) 

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2005, 04:25:38 PM »
the answer for all of your problems is a Electronic ignition from Dyna!  ;D

I hate points!  >:(

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2005, 05:35:14 PM »
Getting everything set up exactly right , IE points gap spot on and timing spot on, will only take about 6 years of practice!!! Seriously  every time you move one thing the others are affected slightly and wiith time and patience you will get it spot on
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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2005, 05:38:30 PM »
Do you need a lesson on points?

No problem, just let me know.

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2005, 05:55:44 PM »
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Getting everything set up exactly right , IE points gap spot on and timing spot on, will only take about 6 years of practice!!! Seriously  every time you move one thing the others are affected slightly and wiith time and patience you will get it spot on


...not to mention the fact thatthe damn points ALWAYS move as you tighten the screws down. i usually put a .015-.016" feeler gauge in between the points, then very lightly close them until it's sandwiched in between them, then tighten the screw and pull the feeler out. usually the amount of closing that occurs after tightening the screws brings it to about .014", which is what i always shoot for. what's the worst, is when you have to redadjust one side to get the other within specs.
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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2005, 06:00:18 PM »
gee,after all this,i know im goin dyna before i even think of changing the points in mine.
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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2005, 09:19:30 AM »
I started to put new points and condensors on my 74 550. After mucking with it for a couple of hours I lost my patience with it. I went straight home, made a somewhat convincing argument about a Dyna to my wife, and ordered one up.

I feel like I should have been a little more patient with the points, but in the future I will replace the points on any new bikes with a Dyna system.
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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2005, 04:37:00 AM »
I think I solved the problem.

Basically, I went back to square 1.  Before I set the points gap, I had removed the advance and measured the point where the lobe is the greatest width.   I filed a nice little mark, painted it in with red and used it as a reference..did 2 of them diametrically opposed.  Well, after going through this exercise, I decided to test my mark and lo and behold it was about 5mm off.   After reassembling and resetting points I now they are just about dead on.   As mentioned here, I find when tightening screws you generally change the measurement by .001" or .002" depending on the screw.

By the way, I added a split washer to the main plate for extra stay power.  I also peened the edges of the bosses holding in the plate to snug it up and removed almost all of the play which was about .004".

Thanks to all members for weighing in ... will have been all worth it if the darn bike ends up running better !

Now on to the carb syncing ! ;)

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Re: Ignition Frustration
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2005, 05:52:22 PM »
I just set the points gap and then time it while running using a timing light. I can get both sets of points timed dead-nuts, and check the advance while I'm in there.  Yeah, I'm lazy....
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