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Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« on: April 24, 2009, 06:05:58 AM »
Hey guys, it's getting close to crunch time on the ol bike and I'm almost complete with my rebuild. (well, it's almost roadworthy anyway)
I put my seat on and stood the bike up making sure the seat was sturdy enough, and pulled in the clutch lever basically seeing if i had the levers at the right angle. Well.
The clutch is really hard to pull in. I tried pulling it half a dozen times, seeing if i just wasn't use to it, and went over and tried the other bike in the garage. So I've come to the conclusion that it's not normal.
So, My question is, What can I do to improve it. Without having ridden the bike, (cause engaging it in gear and moving 12 feet doesn't count.) I don't know if it is normal without it running.
Are they all stiff?
Should I change the cable?
Could I please have some suggestions, because I plan to have her out on the road in the next week, and I don't want more downtime waiting on a cable that I could order today.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2009, 06:08:37 AM »
Disconnect the cable at the engine end of it and see if it's still really hard to move.  If so then try lubing it or replace it. 

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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2009, 06:11:11 AM »
See, It's thinking like this, that I can perform at any other task, but for some reason on my bike, I panic. Like its a kid or something.  :D
Thanks, I'll do that. Will silicone lube work ok? Or do you have something that works good for you?
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2009, 06:17:52 AM »
You could try to lube the cable, or drop the bank breaking 11 dollars for a new one.  There may need to be some adjustment on your clutch and stuff as well, but I don't know nothing bout no 750, so I'll let a smarter chap advise you there.  As for lube, I believe people have recommended dri-slide (or some variant on that spelling) in the past for lubing up cables. 

I replaced my cable and it worked a hell of a lot better.  But then again, my cable was broken and disengaged from the lever and to change gear while riding it you had to pull the entire cable with your left hand while steering with your right.  Either that or not use the clutch :o  Needless to say, it was one of the first things I replaced. 
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2009, 06:33:20 AM »
Get a new one...makes a world of difference.

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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2009, 06:42:04 AM »
New one, when I bought new throttle cables it was like changing sandpaper boxers to silk.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2009, 07:07:53 AM »
11 bucks?
WhyTF are the throttle cables so much? Oh, and while I'm at it. I'm only running "pull" cable on my carbs. Was told the spring did plenty of "returning" for me. Should I get that too?
I'll have money for a couple days so... Speak now or forever hold your peace.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2009, 07:24:41 AM »
Learning to lube them, sure makes them last longer & work better.

I use a Magura Power Lever.. or dogleg as some call it, easier to hold under tension (fits hand better)
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2009, 08:05:55 AM »
Be careful of lubing cables!!!!

I've read that OEM Honda cables have a Teflon liner that does not require lube, and that lubing them with petroleum-based lube can actually ruin the liner.

I used a motion pro clutch cable several years ago after my clutch cable snapped, and, like a good boy, I immediately lubed it with one of those chain/cable lube spray can products before installing it.  That was probably 15 years ago, so I don't remember the brand.  That product may have been wax-based though.  First off, the clutch pull was similarly hard, as it was before it snapped.  I didn't think anything of it, as I didn't know any better.  Off riding and smiling I went.  Within two weeks, the new cable snapped, as well.  In the rain.  On the middle lane of Second Avenue.  In Manhattan.  I was already late for work, too.

I then replaced it with a stock OEM Honda cable with NO LUBE, and it was like night and day!!!  Never been smoother.  Yes, the throttle return spring is pretty hefty on the carb bank, but nothing that you should be struggling to overcome.

I believe it was TT who suggested a dry lube called Dri-slide for OEM cables, since it either doesn't contain any petroleum-based lube, or that the solvent dries off immediately, leaving only a dry film of moly or somesuch to lube the cable, but nothing to ruin the housing or the inner sleeve.

Personally, I just always use OEM Honda cable with no lube.  That's how they came from the factory, and that's how I'm going to keep them.

Two seasons ago, my original OEM throttle cable snapped after 30 years of faithful service WITH NO LUBE.  It had led a long and productive life.  So, I went out and invested a whopping $75 or so on all new OEM cables.  Makes your bike feel like it is brand-new, too.

If they get sticky within the next ten years, I'll go find dri-slide and use that.  Come to think of it, maybe I'll just replace the cables with OEM every twenty years, as a regular maintenance item.

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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2009, 08:11:05 AM »
I bought my clutch and throttle cables from cycle-re-cycle.  Super quick shipping IIRC.

http://www.crc2onlinecatalog.com/Index_Main_Frame.htm

They are under the "controls" tab on the left.

Oh, and they are 14 bucks.  My bad.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009, 08:15:37 AM »
HavocTurbo runs a site, he's looking at prices for me.
If he cannot get them I will go there.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2009, 08:20:53 AM »
Yeah, if you are lubing any cables I would recommend the Dri-slide, use it for my bicycle cables also.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2009, 08:22:57 AM »
My point was, if the cable isnt moving freely, oil usually eont hurt.
 Perform this simple test, disconnect clutch end,, then hold end of cable with finger and work the clutch lever.. if its trying to move the whole cable, it needs lube..
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2009, 09:20:40 AM »
Thanks ed!
I'm glad that everyone seems to think of this as a cable issue. Cause I didn't really want to hear any issues with clutches. haha
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009, 09:39:07 AM »
FWIW...the return cable serves a safety function....

Additionally if you snap the pull cable...well you can swap them and go home.
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2009, 09:43:00 AM »
Yes, on some bikes, but not the '77 and '78 CB550s.  I tried.  One is shorter than the other.

FWIW...the return cable serves a safety function....

Additionally if you snap the pull cable...well you can swap them and go home.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2009, 09:46:13 AM »
Granted my push cable was busted off, but it was shorter than my pull.
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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2009, 09:49:10 AM »
yeah, I'd run the push, too.  ...though Honda discontinued mine, so I'm still running my 30 year old one.  

Ink, try this with your lever:
Pull the lever in, then let it go so it snaps back.

If it doesn't snap back quickly, smoothly, and easily, you might have a trashed cable.  A common thing for them to do is come loose by the headers and melt against the header so water and junk can get in (like just happened to my BRAND NEW one. :'( )

A zip tie can hold it against your frame between those headers, too, keeping it safe.

For my cables, I used Progold teflon lube, and it flushed a LOT of stuff out, then dried clean.  It's great stuff for (bicycle) chains, cleans and lubes at the same time.

While you're at it, grease the levers (like you wouldn't anyway) or oil them or whatever. I guess the honda service manual says 'oil'.

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Re: Monster forearms, clutch lever way too stiff
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2009, 11:01:13 AM »
Whoa.
Ok. "Oil" them. I somehow misplaced my manual or it was stolen from my desk at work in between last december and march.
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