Author Topic: Anger in Canada - 9/11 (Read 3094 times)

upperlake04 · « **on:** April 24, 2009, 07:18:20 PM »

Can any of you straight shooting Americans explain this?
In the days after 9/11, some US news agencies reported the highjackers entered through Canada. As the subsequent 9/11 Commission reported in July 2004, all of the 9/11 terrorists arrived in the U.S. from outside North America. They flew to major U.S. airports. They entered the U.S. with documents issued to them by the U.S. government. The story was over.
A few days ago Dem. Janet Napolitano, the U.S. homeland security secretary, again stated they came through Canada and today Repub John McCain on Fox news agreed publicly with her.

These people must know this is a lie. Why are they doing this?

BeSeeingYou · « **Reply #1 on:** April 24, 2009, 08:09:34 PM »

I saw her yesterday on one of the cable news channels ( don't recall which) where she said she misspoke and was referring to the so called Millennium Bomber who did try and get into the U.S. from Canada with a trunk full of explosives intended for LAX Airport in Los Angeles. This was straight out of her mouth not some reporter interpreting what she said. I would also not attach too much credibility to what you hear on Fox News. Shepard Smith has some credibility but the rest of them are real nut jobs straight from the Right Wing Echo Chamber. They just want to keep stirring the pot, trying to ignite some controversy. Some Repubs are angry at her and want her to resign for a different matter because she hurt their feelings. You just got caught up in some domestic politics here in the U.S.

upperlake04 · « **Reply #2 on:** April 24, 2009, 09:04:19 PM »

Thanks srust58. The Millennium Bomber quote was backtracking. A transcript of the interview and what she originally said is here..
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/04/20/f-transcript-napolitano-macdonald-interview.html

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:17:58 AM »

Is that like that Fruedian slip when either Rummy or Cheney said they shot down flight 93?

Or when Silverstein said on that PBS documentary that he told the NYFD to "Pull" WTC 7?

Hmmmmm....

Demon67 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2009, 03:49:08 AM »

Hey Upperlake there is a lot of misinformation that is spread about our country south of border and it has always pissed me off, it maybe because "Manifest Destiny" failed to make us the 50+ state, who knows, I know that when I lived in California people would make snide remarks about Canada, like why am I in the states etc my usual response was that I was doing missionary work amongst the savages. Also they believe their press about " We're # 1" (some of them do at least) so they don't bother to check out the reality of whats going on in the rest of the world " I mean why, we are # 1 so that it means that the rest of the world must be trying to bring us down and Canada is a convenient whipping boy, they're Communists don't you know, which is the same old tired rhetoric and bull #$%* I've heard for most of my 69 years. Enough Rant.
Bill the demon.

Glenn Stauffer · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2009, 04:17:17 AM »

Funny, I remember the story about some of the hijackers driving across the border at a crossing between Maine and New Brunswick (maybe Quebec). This is actually the first time I've been informed that that information is false.

Even if they did, if their papers were in order, who would have stopped them? And, if they weren't, the staff at those remote border crossings are much more thorough in my experience - they have very little traffic and most of the traffic that goes through those crossing is daily repeat-traffic - trucks and lumbermen. The worst place in the world to try to cross without being noticed.

Anyway, glad to know the rumors are false.

volkswagendan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2009, 05:31:56 AM »

fox news pumps lies into america so that we the people live in fear.
if you watch their crap you might as well set your fear level back to code red.
p.s. 9-11 was an inside job. canada had nothing to do with it.
9-11 was a tool to put american military into the major controlling areas of the middle east.
it was all about the oil. think i'm crazy? educate yourself.

Uncle Ernie · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:18:41 AM »

Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would take anything an American politician said seriously. By the time you've been elected to office, you have to be so out of touch with reality it wouldn't surprise me if they needed assistants to tie their shoes for them. I don't think they can even conceptualize abstract ideas like "truth" or "honesty" or "reality". I can't even blame them anymore. I blame the voters who put them in to office.

Duke McDukiedook · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2009, 09:24:18 AM »

Quote from: Uncle Ernie on April 25, 2009, 06:18:41 AM

Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would take anything an American politician said seriously. By the time you've been elected to office, you have to be so out of touch with reality it wouldn't surprise me if they needed assistants to tie their shoes for them. I don't think they can even conceptualize abstract ideas like "truth" or "honesty" or "reality". I can't even blame them anymore. I blame the voters who put them in to office.

But Ernie, most of the the American populace is brainwashed into thinking their vote actually matters and that we live in a democracy here. You're right, it is our fault, we fell asleep at the wheel a long, long time ago. Didn't heed the forefathers' warnings about liberty and individual responsibility in a constitutional republic.

kghost · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:06:00 AM »

Quote from: Uncle Ernie on April 25, 2009, 06:18:41 AM

Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would take anything an American politician said seriously. By the time you've been elected to office, you have to be so out of touch with reality it wouldn't surprise me if they needed assistants to tie their shoes for them. I don't think they can even conceptualize abstract ideas like "truth" or "honesty" or "reality". I can't even blame them anymore. I blame the voters who put them in to office.

Same with the talking heads on the news.....

mlinder · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:08:44 AM »

Everyone knows that Canadians are evil.

BobbyR · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2009, 11:17:16 AM »

Quote from: Dukiedook on April 25, 2009, 09:24:18 AM

Quote from: Uncle Ernie on April 25, 2009, 06:18:41 AM
Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would take anything an American politician said seriously. By the time you've been elected to office, you have to be so out of touch with reality it wouldn't surprise me if they needed assistants to tie their shoes for them. I don't think they can even conceptualize abstract ideas like "truth" or "honesty" or "reality". I can't even blame them anymore. I blame the voters who put them in to office.

But Ernie, most of the the American populace is brainwashed into thinking their vote actually matters and that we live in a democracy here. You're right, it is our fault, we fell asleep at the wheel a long, long time ago. Didn't heed the forefathers' warnings about liberty and individual responsibility in a constitutional republic.

I think you may be seeing a change in some of that. People are becoming testy over the economy. I people truly resent being watched all the time. I took a Ferry and had to go through a security screening since the Ferry made a stop at the Statue of Liberty. Then I had to sit on the boat while two Coast Guardsman walked back and forth with M-16s the whole trip. Did I feel safer? No I did not.

I resent that I will need a passport to return from Canada. We have always had an essentially open Border. The Homeland Security office keeps stirring up the pot for more funding.

I never got this Canada vs US stuff. I know there is some friction over something on both sides of the Quebec border,
I know a lot of Canadians in my work they have never been made to feel uncomfortable. I had made many extended trips to the Toronto and found Canadians to be friendly.

What I do suspect is that the US PR machine has overblown our opulent lifestyle here in a way that made everyone else in the Americas feel diminished. I also think being next to the US is no picnic at times, I listen to the CBC all the time and have heard how if the US gets a cold, Canada gets the Flu.

Now, since we all live on the same Continent called America. In Canada am I considered a South American?

mlinder · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2009, 12:33:41 PM »

No. US and Canada are 'North America'.

Below that is Central America. Below that, South America.

kghost · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2009, 12:38:48 PM »

Quote from: mlinder on April 25, 2009, 12:33:41 PM

No. US and Canada are 'North America'.

Below that is Central America. Below that, South America.

sangyo soichiro · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2009, 12:44:09 PM »

Quote from: Dukiedook on April 25, 2009, 09:24:18 AM

Quote from: Uncle Ernie on April 25, 2009, 06:18:41 AM
Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would take anything an American politician said seriously. By the time you've been elected to office, you have to be so out of touch with reality it wouldn't surprise me if they needed assistants to tie their shoes for them. I don't think they can even conceptualize abstract ideas like "truth" or "honesty" or "reality". I can't even blame them anymore. I blame the voters who put them in to office.

But Ernie, most of the the American populace is brainwashed into thinking their vote actually matters and that we live in a democracy here. You're right, it is our fault, we fell asleep at the wheel a long, long time ago. Didn't heed the forefathers' warnings about liberty and individual responsibility in a constitutional republic.

...and why do we only have two parties to choose from in the US? Sure, there are some other parties, but only two stand a chance of winning the big elections. Let's face it, two is not much to choose from. It'd be nice to have more than two options....

mlinder · « **Reply #15 on:** April 25, 2009, 12:48:03 PM »

I #$%*ing hate the two party system. It wasn't designed to be that way.

Tim. · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2009, 01:50:35 PM »

We have unlimited numbers of political parties, and it ain't no picnic. Although it is nice seeing the Communists and Marxists on the ballots, alongside the Rhino Party (big proponents of drug legalization).

While we claim to have a multi-party system, there are only two viable national parties that can win enough seats to lead the country, and they are the rough equivalents to the Republicans and Democrats (Conservatives and Liberal parties respectively.

Want a laugh? Here are the official Registered Political Parties in Canada:

Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada
Bloc Québécois
Canadian Action Party
Christian Heritage Party of Canada
Communist Party of Canada
Conservative Party of Canada
First Peoples National Party of Canada
Green Party of Canada
Liberal Party of Canada
Libertarian Party of Canada
Marijuana Party
Marxist-Leninist Party of Canada
neorhino.ca
New Democratic Party
Newfoundland and Labrador First Party
People's Political Power Party of Canada
Progressive Canadian Party
Western Block Party
Work Less Party

I think I'm going to vote 'Work Less' next election.

bwaller · « **Reply #17 on:** April 25, 2009, 08:46:02 PM »

Hell tintin I haven't ever heard of a few of those.

Work less party huh, I wonder what the country would be like after four years with them?

tiretread · « **Reply #18 on:** April 25, 2009, 09:13:26 PM »

Quote from: volkswagendan on April 25, 2009, 05:31:56 AM

fox news pumps lies into america so that we the people live in fear.
if you watch their crap you might as well set your fear level back to code red.
p.s. 9-11 was an inside job. canada had nothing to do with it.
9-11 was a tool to put american military into the major controlling areas of the middle east.
it was all about the oil. think i'm crazy? educate yourself.

First, take off the tin foil hat.

volkswagendan · « **Reply #19 on:** April 25, 2009, 09:48:02 PM »

Quote from: tiretread on April 25, 2009, 09:13:26 PM

Quote from: volkswagendan on April 25, 2009, 05:31:56 AM
fox news pumps lies into america so that we the people live in fear.
if you watch their crap you might as well set your fear level back to code red.
p.s. 9-11 was an inside job. canada had nothing to do with it.
9-11 was a tool to put american military into the major controlling areas of the middle east.
it was all about the oil. think i'm crazy? educate yourself.

First, take off the tin foil hat.

let me say it again... educate yourself.
you just might make yourself a tinfoil hat.

Demon67 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2009, 07:22:10 AM »

You know guys I always thought the a copper wire mesh hat was better kind of like a Faraday Cage for the mind.
Bill the demon.

BeSeeingYou · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2009, 10:34:55 AM »

Quote from: Demon67 on April 26, 2009, 07:22:10 AM

You know guys I always thought the a copper wire mesh hat was better kind of like a Faraday Cage for the mind.
Bill the demon.

Does it work on keeping crazy thoughts from getting in or getting out?

Demon67 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2009, 11:55:35 AM »

Srust58. Both.
Bill the demon.

upperlake04 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 02, 2009, 02:29:19 PM »

Would the carrying of 6 guns be normal in the US or are terrorists coming into Canada from America?

American in custody after van runs Manitoba-U.S. border
Last Updated: Saturday, May 2, 2009 | 1:58 PM CT
CBC News

RCMP stopped a vehicle and seized a number of firearms after an American driver ran the border near Goodlands, Man., Friday afternoon.

Six firearms, more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition and several containers of fuel were found in the cargo area of the van, police said.

RCMP said the vehicle, bearing Wisconsin licence plates, was travelling north on Highway 21 when the driver refused to stop for police.

The Mounties used a spike belt to stop the van, 10 kilometres north of the border in an area roughly 60 kilometres east of the Manitoba-Saskatchewan border.

Police said the driver was not driving erratically or speeding during the chase.

The RCMP Explosive Disposal Unit was called to the scene after officers approaching the vehicle detected the odour of gas.

The driver was taken into custody and faces numerous criminal charges along with counts under the Immigration Refugee Protection Act and Customs Act.

The Canada Border Service Agency and U.S. Customs and Homeland Security are involved in the investigation.

kghost · « **Reply #24 on:** May 02, 2009, 06:05:04 PM »

Maybe the US is now angry at Canada

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Author Topic: Anger in Canada - 9/11 (Read 3094 times)

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