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Offline clutchthirty

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Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« on: February 22, 2014, 01:31:53 PM »
Hi all-  I am new to the CB world- currently own a GS400 but am looking for a little more power.  I found a pretty decent looking cafe but since I don't know much about these bikes I was hoping you'd all be able to give me a little feedback on the price and what to look for when I go check it out- It's a 76 750F, here's the ad:

http://boise.craigslist.org/mcy/4329347308.html

The owner said he did most of the work himself, and that it was running when he put it away but it wouldn't start when he took it out this month.  Said he thinks it's stale gas or gummed up carbs since he didn't winterize it but that it had good compression.  From the picture it also looks like he may have cut part of the rear frame assembly out when he was modifying it, but I might be wrong. 

Is $2200 a fair price?  That's what I was going to offer him if it's running when I see it.  Any known problems with these bikes or anything in particular to look out for when I check it out?  Any feedback would be much appreciated!

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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2014, 01:52:42 PM »
Hi all-  I am new to the CB world- currently own a GS400 but am looking for a little more power.  I found a pretty decent looking cafe but since I don't know much about these bikes I was hoping you'd all be able to give me a little feedback on the price and what to look for when I go check it out- It's a 76 750F, here's the ad:

http://boise.craigslist.org/mcy/4329347308.html

The owner said he did most of the work himself, and that it was running when he put it away but it wouldn't start when he took it out this month.  Said he thinks it's stale gas or gummed up carbs since he didn't winterize it but that it had good compression.  From the picture it also looks like he may have cut part of the rear frame assembly out when he was modifying it, but I might be wrong. 

Is $2200 a fair price?  That's what I was going to offer him if it's running when I see it.  Any known problems with these bikes or anything in particular to look out for when I check it out?  Any feedback would be much appreciated!

Unless he is a very good tuner don't expect it to run well with the v-stacks. He does not mention any engine work and at that price I would expect at least a top end rebuild. I think the price is way to high. But that is just me and I'm not a café guy. Is there a front brake? If he was not smart enough to winterize it how smart was he on doing the other stuff? I say $2000 and expect to rebuild the carbs and quite a few hours on a track or dyno to get it to run right with the stacks. IMHO
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2014, 01:57:42 PM »
No idea about price but that owner is a bit of a twat. Not only did he remove the important parts he actually removed the front brake. That would make life (or death) interesting.
You would also want all the stuff he removed.
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2014, 02:05:02 PM »
I can't believe I didn't notice the front brake was missing..  What other important parts did he remove?  He listed only cosmetic stuff on the ad, so I was hoping that besides the intake it would be basically stock.  I was wondering about the vstacks too, because I had a hell of a time getting my GS to run right with pods (still doesn't and I'm on the hunt for a stock box for it ;D), but I thought these bikes didn't have CV carbs so would be a lot easier to tune.  Am I wrong about that?  Should I stick with the stock airbox if I get it?  Not winterizing it is absolutely a red flag and makes me wonder how the bike's been treated.

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2014, 02:36:26 PM »
The important bits to me are everything that doesn't make it look like a half-arsed attempt at a cafe racer. The fenders, airbox, side panels, the original seat. Even if you don't use the seat now it is expensive to replace. Fork ears and whatever else like switches and stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2014, 02:39:04 PM »
I take back the $2000 I would not buy it. ;D There are a lot of these bikes take your time. You did the right thing coming here first.

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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2014, 02:40:48 PM »
"Minimal wiring harness built from scratch?" I smell chronic electrical problems. And what a pain ion the butt it would be tracking them down without the color-coded wiring.....
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 03:13:45 PM »
I take back the $2000 I would not buy it. ;D There are a lot of these bikes take your time. You did the right thing coming here first.
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If the seller put all that money in and did all the work himself, but doesn't have it running for the sale,my gut would say there's some sad surprises the buyer doesn't want to deal with. I like the design of the invisible kickstand;I might try to copy that.

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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2014, 03:39:59 PM »
That it is missing the airbox, fenders, front brake and lord knows what else is more than enough to make me run like hell from that bike. who takes the front brake off of a 70's CB? They weigh a lot and the brakes are not that great to begin with sometimes, doing dual front discs I can understand but having no front disc would be interesting. I know the 76 750F had a rear disc but you get the majority of your stopping power from the front brake.

It's a shame, the 76F is a nice looking bike in stock trim or with some tastefull mods.
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2014, 03:55:37 PM »
I would not buy that bike. I wouldn't knock the minimal wiring harness though. I made my own from scratch and made my own diagram. Way simpler and super straight forward compared to the stock rats next. Problem with this is, If he didn't make a wiring harness diagram for the next buyer, it would be like chasing a needle in a hay stack to track and electric issues.  :o
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2014, 04:15:27 PM »
Talked to the owner again, he said the PO took the brake off and put stacks on originally.  The new owner "upgraded" them to what they are now, but he didn't know if it had ever been rejetted.  Thanks for all the advice, I'm going to pass on it like you all recommended.  The hunt for a 750 continues.  If anybody lives near SLC and has one to unload, I'm interested!  :D

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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2014, 04:32:09 PM »
I don't disagree that a minimal wiring harness is not necessarily a bad thing, Trad. But this is a wiring harness built by a guy who can't get a bike he wants to sell running. I question the application, not the concept.

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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2014, 04:42:21 PM »
I'd play the waiting game and find the best condition running bike that's within your budget, if you have $2000 to play with you should find something in running condidtion you can play with a bit cosmetically.
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2014, 05:56:23 PM »
If you have never owned a bike like one of these vintage beauties, and if you are not a competent mechanic or an eager beginner, buy a running bike. For that price the damn thing should move under its own power. You have no idea what problems you will run into. Maybe he did not get the bike running for a reason. Like no second gear. Or a bent or loose rod. Or...

Don't get ripped off by a pretty face.

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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2014, 06:03:15 PM »
If I were you I'd pass on it and look for something more stock, especially as you're not all that familiar with 754s.
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2014, 06:33:12 PM »
Unless that bike goes for much less than that asking price it is a wash. It is nonoperable, how would you price something that doesn't move, doesn't work?

I don't mean treat someones property like it is junk, I hate how people do that, but a motorcycle that doesn't run (and won't stop for a long @ss time ::)) isn't worth the money of a decent runner that is just a little rough
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2014, 09:04:55 PM »
I don't disagree that a minimal wiring harness is not necessarily a bad thing, Trad. But this is a wiring harness built by a guy who can't get a bike he wants to sell running. I question the application, not the concept.

Patrick

Fair enough, I see what you're saying.  The whole no front brake thing weirds me out the most. Especially on a 750. 
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2014, 09:47:30 AM »
Passed on it, the guy sent me a video of it "running" and it didn't sound good.  I did find a 1980 DOHC CB 750 (is the DOHC heresy here?) that is supposed to be in excellent shape, less than 7k miles.  Going to look at it today.

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« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2014, 11:37:39 AM »
I don't like them but that's based strictly on looks, pretty fugly. Can't comment on the mecanical end of the DOHC bikes
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2014, 12:52:38 PM »
DOHC Hondas aren't heresy, they're actually good bikes. BUT... I doubt you will ever find a forum with the equivalent amount of support, camaraderie and knowledge that this one has to offer. You should factor that in your decision IMO.
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2014, 01:28:36 PM »
cb1100F.net is the forum for DOHC cb750/900/1100F bikes. If it is a C or a K cb750c.com is also a pretty good forum. I actually think the supersport site is a little better than this place because there aren't as many dip#$%*s building bodged together "cafe racers" and there is a heavy influence and focus on making good safe performance modifications.

not that you already haven't but run the opposite direction of the SOHC 750. It will cost you another grand on top of the purchase price to put it right.

The DOHC cb750 is actually a great bike, everything you want the SOHC to be better at it does without giving up much of the SOHC feeling. If possible, look for an F model supersport as they have triple disc brakes. There are 4 things to check on a DOHC cb: the starter clutch, the timing chain, the charging system, and the carbs.

- The starter clutch on these loosen up. it makes a horrible noise. If left neglected it chews up and then it's $90 for new parts from honda.

- The timing chain tension is critical. If left unattended it will tear the cylinder block in half (literally, seen it happen). you'll hear it if the chain is noisy

- Reg/Rect failure on these is common as is pulse ignitors. take a meter and make sure it is charging because if the battery is charged it will run like normal until it dies.

- Carbs on these bikes are the worst design honda has ever made. They are garbage and anytime some hamfisted cafe kid tries to make it better with pods and jetting it makes everything worse. A little throttle lag is normal, but you probably won't feel it unless you are an agressive rider. Make sure carbs are stock.

If you can try to get a 1981-82 model F, they have dual piston calipers which are as good as you are going to get for brakes on these old bikes.
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Re: Newbie looking for a bit of advice
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2014, 02:51:51 PM »
The front brake is 90% of the stopping power.  No deal.