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police shoot out
« on: May 06, 2009, 08:06:40 PM »
Guess this happens more regularly in the states than in sleepy ole kiwiland but today some drug crazed moron let rip with a semi auto at Police doing a drug raid here in my city of Napier.
At least one Officer was killed outright possibly another and there are 2 in hospital one serious.
This kind of serious criminal offending affects me anyway being a Prison officer and working in closely with the Police dept but my son is also a serving cop and all day as more information has come out I have felt just sick to my stomach.
Thankfully my boy is safe and from what I can find out so are his really good mates in the force, but still it's completely farked my day.
These are the latest cops killed in NZ this year, 3 so far in seperate incidents, my son tells me now I know how he and his sister felt all those years when something big would go down at the prison, paybacks are a #$%*!!
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2009, 08:24:30 PM »
do the police officers there get bullet resistant vests?
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2009, 08:25:38 PM »
Policemen and prison guards have always been very nice to me. I'm sorry that some good men were killed and injured by some jackass that doesn't know what his gun is for. Good luck, man, and I hope you and your son stay safe.
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2009, 09:20:12 PM »
Wow http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/54592/police-name-officer-killed-gunman

all over some plants too ::)

Are the Hells angels involved in grow-ops there?
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2009, 09:27:29 PM »
is it legal for a private citizen to own firearms in New Zealand?
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2009, 10:17:02 PM »
I think the hells angels have moved on to more lucrative pursuits than a bit of weed.
yes we can own firearms, you must be registered and have a licence. we aren't allowed to just carry them around tho.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2009, 11:11:38 PM »
thats a good thing. as a responsible gun owner, registration is a good idea. i just recently renewed my permit to carry here.
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2009, 12:58:55 AM »
Motorcycle gang "the Outlaws" is aparently involved, they are usually very quiet and have been for decades, but funding a $30 grand Harley is easier if you deal drugs.
 >:( Just found out taht the gunman is an old school mate and I worked with him for a few years on the railways, damn who would guess that neat kid would turn out to be a cop killer?
I'm betting when they get in there they will find more than a bit of grass, the drug of choice in NZ is a filthy thing called "P" or methamphetamine that affects all reasoning, I have seen hundreds of prisoners bent out of shape on it, makes them paranoid and twitchy as, very very dangerous in that state.
Yes our cops have vests but I'm picking it was a head shot that dropped Officer Snee, he was a good guy who I had met on serveral occasions, sports mad and a caring family man, so sad. :'(
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2009, 01:28:19 AM »
meth is a serious problem here too Hush. it turns peoples brains into jello.
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2009, 06:10:52 AM »
I think it is a serious issue in a lot of areas. I thought it was a US only thing but obviously it isnt.
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2009, 09:44:43 PM »
Better news, only one dead but they still can't reach his body as the gunman shoots at them most distressing for the family.
Dog handler and the other cop out of serious danger in hospital as is a neighbour who tried to stop the shooting.
One police dog is missing, they think she is in the dog van but again they cannot reach her as the suspect has a high powered rifle on them, half of my city cannot go home as the cops have cordoned the streets off.
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2009, 09:52:08 PM »
damn man, how long has this been going on now? too bad there are hostages, they could just burn the damn house down around him. he doesnt deserve any better
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 11:59:38 PM »
They got tanks here now!
Police have recovered the dead cops body, he was a neat guy too, very well liked in Hawke's Bay area.
The gunman has explosives in house apparently, I say line up a tank and let rip with the heavy ordinance now that no one else is in there, I don't want to have to look after him in my jail. >:(
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2009, 12:01:06 AM »
or the taxpayers money going to support him for the rest of his life (you folks dont have the death penalty right?)
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2009, 12:26:50 AM »
No death penalty, pretty slack laws really in NZ, part of our "culture" unfortunately.
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2009, 03:55:50 AM »
My info is that the cops think the gunman shot himself but they can't confirm this, the robot they sent in broke down and with all that explosives he is supposed to have I guess they are worried he boobytrapped the place, anyhow it's dark and wet tonight so best they wait and watch, we don't need to lose anymore good cops.
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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2009, 05:00:05 AM »
Quote from: Hush on May 08, 2009, 12:26:50 AM
No death penalty, pretty slack laws really in NZ, part of our "culture" unfortunately.

i'm from the "you kill someone, we kill you right back" school of thought  ;D
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 08:56:42 AM »
Quote from: fuzzybutt on May 08, 2009, 05:00:05 AM
Quote from: Hush on May 08, 2009, 12:26:50 AM
No death penalty, pretty slack laws really in NZ, part of our "culture" unfortunately.

i'm from the "you kill someone, we kill you right back" school of thought  ;D

Hear Hear!!!

Burn the house down, especially since it's dark. Then you can watch him wriggle around in a ball of flame.
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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2009, 09:08:10 AM »
Quote from: Hush on May 08, 2009, 12:26:50 AM

No death penalty, pretty slack laws really in NZ, part of our "culture" unfortunately.



No death penalty?  ???  You mean you eat them alive?!?   :o

Now, don't go and tell me you're not cannibals, or I'll have to ruin your image of us and tell you that not all Americans wear cowboy boots and hats.  Oh yeah, and not all French people wear striped shirts and berets*.

*but most of them do, right?

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2009, 02:51:06 PM »
Very sad news.
I’ll pray for him and the family tonight.
I used to think that this kind of stuff do not happens in places like NZ.
I’m not exactly a cop, but a Federal Judge here in Brazil.
Worked in some real hot spots here, including the border zone with Paraguay and Argentina.
Did you watch Miami Vice? That’s that place I’m talking about.
There I heard of Alcaida much before the 11/9, since we did a lot of financial surveillance of “funds” coming from and going to USA, Europe, and places like, well, I cant talk about the “suspects” places.
And the amount of drugs that go trough that region is almost unbelievable.
Shootouts and dead people are an almost common place.
But I used to like to believe that there were some places in the world where those sh….. do not happens, and Australia and New Zeland where one of those places.
Sad you guys have to go trough these situations too, and again, I will pray for the cop and family tonight, as I always do when one of “ours” die.
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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2009, 03:55:08 PM »
Cheers Stormer, could do with some judges with spinal cords intact around here. :)
Oh yeah and nice bike if that's yours in avatar. ;)
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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2009, 07:07:35 PM »
Quote from: Hush on May 08, 2009, 03:55:08 PM
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Oh yeah and nice bike if that's yours in avatar. ;)

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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2009, 09:18:07 PM »
Oh hang on we do have the death penalty.....he killed himself! ;D
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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2009, 10:51:16 PM »
The cops here don't have bullet proof vests on as a matter of course but they do wear STAB PROOF vests.

Which is a shame if you're going to a gunfight and not a knife fight.

The Minister of Police got all squirmish when the left leaning, pasty, sickly liberals and know-all's decided they didn't want the New Zealand Police using tazers.

So they carry pepper spray.

There seems to be a huge resistance here on the issue of moving on into policing as it should be in the third millenium. The government wants it to be seen as a Clean and Green police force, who have an action plan for every emergency, and who don't carry lethal weapons as THEY MIGHT ACTUALLY KILL SOMEBODY.

The end result is that cops are getting killed but it seems that's OK as long as some offender doesn't get his rights slightly infringed.

UPDATE: Some knob-end neighbour of the killer has painted the word LEGEND on his roof. This is the mentality of the underclass here. He's so think that he doesn't see that he's just invited the heat down on his sorry arse. He's going to regret that act of solidarity with a psycho nutbag evil criminal killer.
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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2009, 11:01:27 PM »
good to know that we dont have all the #$%*s here, sad that ANYONE is like that though. what the #$%* is happening to our world, our society? kind of makes me wonder if ths Mayans didnt have it right, that december 2012 is the end of the world.
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« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2009, 12:51:31 AM »
True Toycollector, but one positive has come out of it all, National Government now says they will roll-out the tasers (which we have had for years now by the truckload but they wouldn't let the cops have) , my son would rather carry a taser, he sleeps better when he hasn't deprived someone of a loved one for no good reason. :)
I didn't realise till today that the gunman actually chased the unarmed Police (already wounded) down the road firing at them trying to finish the job, something he would have done had not the courageous neighbour tried to wrestle the gun off him.
That guy deserves a medal and with luck he will live to recieve one as he is in critical condition at moment.
Hey Fuzzy, as a Corrections Officer I see the end product of all this and a great deal is the result of unstable people taking illicit drugs like cannabis and "P".
You'd think a bit of dak wouldn't hurt and in sane stable people it usually doesn't but as it's sold by dealers not chemists people with behaviour problems abuse it and it plays Hell with their brain chemicals.

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Re: police shoot out
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2009, 10:45:43 AM »
Don't think that tazers are the best solution. Plenty of deaths here in Canada from them, Christ they tazered one guy in a hospital bed who #$%*ed a bit to much.

Seems the ease of a "no harm" tool has made the cops to lazy for a good wrestling match and they just pull them out and shoot 1st and ask questions later, it's just human nature to take the path of least resistance.

P.S. If they had shot these people with guns and killed them they would have been charged with murder.  Innocent folks are dying :o :o
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2009, 09:11:58 PM »
Well I'm dusting off my number 1's for Officer Len Snee's funeral tomorrow, such a pointless death and such a well liked nice family man.
I don't like guns, never have, wouldn't have one in the house, if I can't kill it with my bare hands then my old Japanese Sensei would be very disappointed in me. ;D
There is only one gun I want to see in New Zealand and that is the glock strapped to my sons thigh, he can sleep with it on if he wants, it seems in NZ only the bad people have the weapons, about time we changed that.
At work in my prison I am not allowed to carry a pocket knife, however on a daily basis we dish out hundreds of razor sharp chisels so the prisoners can do therapeutic carving!
There is a constant psychological argument raging here, it goes"if we arm the cops then the criminals will arm up" I got news for our legislators...too late they did! :(
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« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2009, 01:48:45 AM »
Quote from: Hush on May 11, 2009, 09:11:58 PM
There is a constant psychological argument raging here, it goes"if we arm the cops then the criminals will arm up" I got news for our legislators...too late they did! :(

If that was your son fronting the idiot, Hush, and if he had a Glock on his hip, he might have been able to get it out of the holster and cap the prick before he (the idiot) started killing.

I'm well over this touchy-feely attitude towards filth in this country. Sometimes, situations arise where someone has to go. So every time I would wish the criminal to go and not the policeman.

And when an officer does 'off' a piece of scum the liberals all come out wringing their hands and the family all snivelling to the Police Complaints Authority about what a "good boy" he was and stuff like "The cop could have retreated and called for backup" or "he should have shot him in the leg" etc.

The problem is that there isn't any political will to address the problem. Hopefully John Key (our Prime Minister) will continue with his reforms and get this sorted out.
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« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2009, 02:39:57 AM »
Here here mate, if it comes down to my boy or the scumbag I want to see my boy come home at the end of his shift.
That Wallace killing over in the Naki went on for years and the poor cop had to go through 4 investigations, 2 which the family insisted on, not once did I ever see anything in the paper about what an idiot druggie the guy killed was.
I mean he had been on a "P" crazed bender for a week, no sleep, he broke 200 windows in the main street shops swinging that golf club, do you know anyone who can swing a club 200 times without getting tired.....no neither do I, but put them on "P" and they are like superman.
That cop and his family had to be relocated straight after the shooting cos the dickhead mates of Wallace wanted blood.
Don't hold your breath for Key to fix what Helen didn't have the nuts to do, he is dancing with the Maori party and courting the Greens, he has now come out and said maybe the cops should have tasers.......you just gotta shake your head eh. >:(
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« Reply #30 on: May 12, 2009, 02:58:08 AM »
How do you sleep Hush?

My son wanted to be a policeman. We started watching that TVNZ programme about cops on the beat here. He quickly changed his mind.

I was relieved. That's sad. So more power to you and your boy and you sound like a good K1W1 father.

The thing that just gets on my tits is that the politicians and "Broad Howard" covet re-election and their jobs and in the meantime the whole P epidemic and lawlessness rages on out of control. The people at the top only want their pensions and to get through their tenure without any bugger causing problems for them. I despise the pricks.

Did you see that gormless b*arch who was cut up by Ronnie Dixon actually defending the prick on TV last month? "Oh, he was so intense, he was all over me, and into me, he was a man all right"....

That's how bad it's got in this country. Total lack of backbone and spine and determination to act and the feeble minded getting air time. God help me!


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