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Offline schneider419

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choke shutters
« on: May 09, 2009, 03:21:19 PM »
 i have a cb 350f. my question, when you close the choke, and look into the carb., you see a small door or shutter that is spring loaded at the top of the choke plate. what does that do? my bike starts hard whan i use the choke. thanks for any input you may have.
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Re: choke shutters
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2009, 08:27:11 PM »
That little "doggy door" limits the vacuum level behind the choke plate. If a solid choke plate happened to be a perfect fit - or close - the engine could exert a high vacuum in the intake tract. That would suck a LOT of fuel up from the float bowl and into the cylinder. It doesn't take a huge amount of gas to fill the combustion chamber volume, and once you get there you start breaking rods and such when the engine tries to turn over against the incompressible liquid.
So they put in that vacuum relief flapper.

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Re: choke shutters
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2009, 08:05:12 AM »
thanks for the response. though i don't get how this is a problem in this machine, and not in so many other small engines.
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Re: choke shutters
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2009, 09:00:13 AM »
It's really a demonstration of how Honda's engineers paid attention to details on the SOHC4 engines. Most of their other bikes of the period had chokes that were a solid plate, and the mechanic would have to adjust the stops so the plate did not close 100% when the lever was pulled to choke. On these carbs, with 4 plates to set, Honda seemed to feel that it would be too complicated to try to set all 4 in such cramped spaces, and the carbs are hard to remove (compared to their Twins). On a multi, if one is closed 100% and a few others are open enough to run the engine, and the operator does not realize the choke is on for too long, it will wash down the blocked cylinder with lots of fuel, scoring the walls and rings. Honda was always cautious about these things, to try to reduce warranty charges against them and improve their image with a lower-maintenance bike (at least, while Sochiro was still in charge: this ended with the advent of the CX500 and similar bikes). This won big points with riders who were just get-on-and-ride types, whic was most of the new Honda ridership at the time: these Hondas were the ones that changed motorcycling from forcing you to be a mechanic, to allow you to ride to the office (or school) on a daily basis. The CB750K1 and CB500, in particular, effectively 'won' this battle, and the rest is history.

On comparable "brand X" bikes of the period, the idea caught on after this, and even Twins and Triples started using the spring-loaded flaps. Not cheap, but they do elegantly solve the problem!
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Re: choke shutters
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2009, 06:11:40 PM »
thank you all for response. case closed.
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