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« on: October 31, 2005, 09:49:14 PM »
I wont go into the story at length(because im typing with one hand now).  But Ive been riding my 750 for about two months and became somewhat confident on the bike. When last week took a short ride to the cigar store and woke up in the hospital.  Last thing I remebered was turning out of my neighborhood.  I got the police report today and while driving on a two way 2 laner, a driver didn't see me and turned left right in front of me causing me to hit his quarterpanel and send me flying over the bars.35mph, maybe 40.  I suffered a dislocated wrist and a broken nose and feel like i got hit by a truck.  My full face helmet saved my face as the mouth guard was cracked down the center.  Now, I just need some advice from you guys, I became very frustrated lately simply because this accident was not my fault and it is discouraging me from riding again.  I have to  say I love it and enjoy my bike greatly, but it's been two months and I don't want to go through something like this again.  Any advice on what I can do to get my riding spirit up?  I thought abput rebuilding the bike (pics at bottom), and maybe that would help.  But I dont know, any similar experiences?
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2005, 09:57:07 PM »
Sorry to hear about your crash Leo. Fixing the bike would be a great step. The other thing I would recommend is to do a couple of lessons with a riding instructor (even if you are somewhat experienced rider). They can help you get your confidence back and teach you how to avoid 4 wheeled idiots out there. Shop around to find a good one.
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2005, 10:34:03 PM »
I don't want to sound like I'm promoting my own interests here (being an instructor), but you may find the MSF basic or experienced rider courses to be a good confidence booster as well as very informative.  I don't know where you live, but http://www.msf-usa.org has a link to find courses in your area, provided you live in the US (I realize a good number of the folks here are European or Australian).  Hope I helped,

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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2005, 01:00:52 AM »
I've never crashed a motorcycle however I've been knocked out while snow boarding several times and had a few wipe outs on snow machines at scary speeds.
My nerve was always shot after a serious incident, The sooner I got back on the horse so to speak the faster My confidence come back, the longer I waited the harder it became. You know what Your limits are and how to operate within them, Your abilities haven't changed only Your wrist, nose, and bike are different for now. The rider course the previous poster suggested sounds like a great idea,
Get into one as soon as possible, If You have another bike get on it and go for a short ride, There are a lot of guys out there that have been through what You have gone through and get back on.
I wish You luck, a speedy recovery and encourage You to get back on and do some riding, the odds are in Your favor now.
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2005, 03:02:11 AM »
I'm sorry to read about your crash. I've never crashed, and as they say that there are only two kind of bikers, I always have thought that as long as I can recover from a crash I will belong to the second kind... Your experience will help many people also about the importance of wearing the right gear.


Get well soon. Restoring the bike would help, but you have to decide wether it will be cost effective or not. Maybe she just gave what she had to, you can olways buy another one and use yours as a donor.


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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2005, 05:52:55 AM »
Been there myself, several times. Each one is getting harder to recover from adding the age, physically, mentally. I am just recovering myself from my mishapp in Oct 2003. Laid up for over a year. Just strarted riding again 2005

I picked me up a dual sport and did some light two track riding in the woods. Far away from any cagers. I then started getting back in the traffic slowly. What really helped me a lot was riding my snowmobile before I got back on the bike. Then just started loging miles and time on my dual-sport.

Man I always think about it as I am putting on my gear and mounting up. It is tough, got me seriously thinking myself. When do i throw the towel in,

What makes me keep wrapping my leg around these machines. I have more bad thoughts running through my mind before I even get on the machines. But once I am on it, releasing that clutch it changes. It makes my focus sharper and gives you a deeper respect for what can happen out there. Never carry the fear with you when you get back out there.

Bottom line is, it is got to be your choice. Good luck!!

I have been doing this pretty much all my life, it is a major part of me that would leave a big hole if I quit.

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2005, 06:21:27 AM »
Damn it! >:(  Glad you had a helmet on bud!  I rode for a year w/out one like a dip#$%* and after seeing several posts about crashes, Im very glad I wear one now.  You came out relatively unscathed, youd be dead right now w/out the helmet.  Get back on dude!  You know you love it and theres a million other things out there that can kill you, so do what makes you feel ALIVE!  Plenty of guys have rode their whole lives without a wreck,  Im going on three years now.  So dont let some jackass who wasnt paying attention and thinks driving in traffic is a game and doesnt grasp the concept that other peoples lives depend on your competence on the road ruin it for you!  Did the person who tried to kill you ever come to the hospital to see if you were ok, or were they more concerned about the insurance/legal crap than your life.  Im sorry, but this kinda crap seriously pisses me off.  My Dad was rear ended at a stoplight on his bike a couple years back.  Some little college bimbo was busy doing other things than driving...while she was driving!?  Aparently she never even got out of the car to see if he was still alive and then their insurance company tried to screw us.  They need to be more stringent about who they give drivers licences to instead of just handing them out to basically everone when probably 30% of the people out there have no business being behind the wheel.  Heal up, gear up, and ride!  Youll be alright.  Later.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2005, 07:44:40 AM »
The guy never came to the hospital, nor have i heard from their insurance company.  Are they supposed to contact me?  Anyway these posts have been helping, im just worried what my friends and family will think if I decied to get back on.  But i have a feeling that i can't stay away, i just love riding too much.  Anyway keep em coming, btw im in atl georgia.

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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2005, 07:49:09 AM »
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30% of the people out there have no business being behind the wheel.

Close actually, just read an short piece in a cycle mag. where they randomly tested (written test) 5,000 or so folks with driver's licenses and 20% failed. I think most of them are around Ann Arbor though so the rest of you are safe.  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2005, 07:57:08 AM »
leo,let your insurance company handle all that,and get a lawyer
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« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2005, 09:17:36 AM »
Leo,
I hope you are recovering? Get back on a bike ASAP, but do it in a car park or somewhere dsafe just to get a feel for it again, or even better get some training. I have had a couple of crashes when I was younger and ride very defensively, but that doesn't stop the wanker that pulls out in front of you. Do you always ride with the headlight switched on?
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« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2005, 10:17:42 AM »
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leo - i feel your pain, bro...(see avatar)

i am done for the season and my little baby is gone forever. (a sweet little 350)  maybe i'm not as smart as you are, but i for one can't wait to get back out there!  my big bad 750 will get wrenched on all winter long and i'm planning on having a clean, fat cafe-style bike come spring. my crunch was almost identical to yours, but i have some spinal damage on top of a broken right hand (and, yes, i am right-handed)...What can i say? riding is in my blood - though the 350 was my first bike, i have been riding on the backs of bikes since before i was born. Perk up, man! you'll soon be feeling better and out in the warm southern sun with a smile on your face and bugs in your teeth!

we are all as fragile as thin ice - there are no garauntees, my friend - take a riding course, buy yourself a nice expensive new helmet and get back on a bike - don't spend the rest of your days nodding to bikers from inside your car!

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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2005, 01:37:01 PM »
The police showed up right?  They should have taken care of who was at fault, handing out tickets, and checking insurance info.  Get a lawyer and get a copy of the accident report.  Revenge is a vulture, take him for everything he's got.

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« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2005, 04:53:01 PM »
yup police and ambulance took me to the hospital.  Just got the police report back and the other driver was cited for failure to yield.  I was cited for nothing so he was def. at fault.  I've contacted my insurance company and haven't heard any thing from theirs.  Where should I go from here?

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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2005, 05:43:18 PM »
Now that just sucks. Sorry the hear about the crash. I had a crash at the same speed on my BRAND NEW GSXR in 92. The bike didn't even have 500 miles on it yet. I had a passenger also. Like some crap out of a movie the construction flagman flags a semi throug a red light from the off ramp. Like seconds he covers the road completely. I am way over the limit screwing around. Wail on the rear brake looking to side skid the bike under the semi trailer. Like I said some crap out of a movie. I am not sure how we both managed to get ourselves into the position we did. The bike took all of the punishment with the exception of my helmet which took two bangers on the back.

Fountunately I was not all that banged up. Don't get me wrong. I was sore. I was able to get back on a bike in about 1 week. There just was not a better way to go than to just get back out there.

Like others have said a coach would be a good idea as he maybe able to help you get the crash fear monster out. And possibly hone your skills more. Wish you the best of luck. If you pay for shipping I have a set of 750 SS forks that need a little help. But they are straight.

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2005, 06:28:52 PM »
Leo,
I hope you are recovering? Get back on a bike ASAP, but do it in a car park or somewhere dsafe just to get a feel for it again, or even better get some training. I have had a couple of crashes when I was younger and ride very defensively, but that doesn't stop the wanker that pulls out in front of you. Do you always ride with the headlight switched on?
Jim.

thanks yes im taken it easy, no work for me for a bit, and no driving primary car is a stick.  yes the headlight is always on, on my 75 750f.

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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2005, 06:32:35 PM »
Back in 1976, I was on my Yamaha on a Sunday morning in Chicago on the way to the MC shop to look for a helmet and pick up a set of plugs. I never made it. Some guy pulled out of a side street in a Camero and broadsided me. He fractured my skull and took a nice chunk of meat out of the front of my calf and broke my leg. I was in surgery for the rest of that day, intensive care for three days, and in in the hospital for 16. To this day I'm still deaf in my left ear and the left side of my face was paralyzed for three years after the accident, and it never came back completely.

I just bought a '74 CB750 from a friend. She's the first bike I've owned since that guy took me off my Yamaha and damn near killed me. I always wondered why I've been wanting to get back in the saddle even after all that stuff. It all came back to me the first time I threw a leg over that beast and kicked her into first. I love bikes. From that 3-1/2 hp minibike my dad built for me as a kid, to that old lady CB750 stinking up my garage with gas fumes right now. I loved them all.

I also know that it wasn't my own stupidity or misjudgement that got me into that accident, just some #$%* with a blindspot for bikes having a bad day. Unfortunately we share the roads with them, they're insulated from reality by a ton of steel and glass. They have cell phones, newspapers, and hamburgers in there with them, they play music so loud they can't hear our finely tuned engines unless they have the windows open on a summer day. And even then it's a gamble being around them.

So ask yourself what you want to do. Accept the risks and keep aware, or stay safe at home. Either way it's your choice and both are good. Think on it a while-- I waited 30 years to get back on. There ain't no hurry bro. When you ride time stands still and makes up for all the other bad #$%*. Your bike will always wait for you and love you just the same.

Just dump the gas and don't let her seize up.  :D

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« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2005, 04:03:08 AM »
I'm sorry to read about your crash. I've never  on a big bike crashed (but have hade a hardcrash   on a bycycle :'()

Hope you are up an go real soon ;)

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« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2005, 02:04:05 PM »
hey, leo hope you get back on a bike real soon  ;) mick.
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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2005, 03:20:30 PM »
Leo,

Sorry to hear about your accident. I guess that's part of the risk we all take riding these two wheel monsters. You simply can't make an argument that its a safe way to get from A to B, but thats parts of its appeal isn't it? I haven't been in an accident (knock on wood) so I don't know what you're going through but I know I'd have a tough time giving it up. I also took a driver's training course and found it a great way to gain confidence - might be worth a shot if your confidence needs a boost. That said no amount of training is going to protect you from idiots like the guy who took you out.

On another note, get yourself a lawyer asap. As a lawyer who used to deal with insurance companies all the time I can tell you that you don't want to tackle that job by yourself. Plenty of lawyers out there will take your case and not charge you a penny until they have collected from the insurance company (then they will charge you plently). Take the police report, and any insurance info you have and get yourself a hired gun. Good luck.

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« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2005, 06:48:59 PM »
"...took a short ride to the cigar store-"

Don't you know smoking can kill you?    If the person who hit you had insurance, make a claim with that company. They will do everything possible to be as slow as can be to pay out. Ask YOUR insurance company what to do. If you don't get an answer right away, talk to a supervisor.  These insurance companies are trained to take as long as possible. Wait as long as possible to get a lawyer because they will take a full 3rd of any claim.  Ask the police if they are prosecuting- if not, why not? You may have to press charges or they will just let it go. You must be pro-active and bug people a lot.
I've been whacked a bunch. First my left leg when an Impala went through a light. That night I watched Monty Python's Holy Grail for the first time and cried my eyes out because it hurt so bad to laugh. The more I cried the more I laughed- a deadly/funny circle. Back in '77 and remember it like it was last week. Wore a cast for 9 months.  Hit a guys left front fender in '87 and landed on his hood. Didn't get hurt bad, but I landed so that I was looking right into his face- worth the price of admission.  In 2002, a Jeep waited at a stop sign until I got right in front of him to hit the gas. If it wasn't for my RedWings I would have lost my foot. Wore an external fixator for 9 months.  Those are just the sort of biggies...
For some reason, I never wondered if I would get back on.  More a matter of how. I was scared this last time. A friend with a cuddly, non-threatening Guzzi Ambassador took me for a couple of rides with me on the back. Then, after my hardware came off, we went for a little ride with me on one of my less intimidating bikes. I was squeezing the blood out of my hands. He wanted me to go first so we could take it at my speed, but I was too scared to even go around a turn. I finally stopped and had him go in front. He took it easy, and it really helped to have a better idea of how fast I could go by watching him (remember- it had been a little over 9 months since I had ridden. Use it or lose it.).  I still white-knuckle it when someone comes up to an intersection and doesn't stop fast enough to suit me.
I think the bottom line is- you either have little motorcycles running in your veins or you don't. There's no shame in being afraid. You're nuts if you aren't. Read that again as necessary.  Being a motorcycle addict is a mixed blessing. If you have to do it, then you will.  If you decide that your kazoobers are worth more than that, then you won't.  Never try to keep up. Take your time to do what you want.  Like spend your money on a really good humidor.
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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2005, 06:53:50 PM »
Hey Egil- Long time no see. Good to know you're still here.
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« Reply #22 on: November 03, 2005, 06:36:44 AM »
Hello !
Uncle Ernie ,
Yea had som   litle problem thise  summer whit my brain :-X, stand`s in the medic rush for operations  ;), take  day for day and wait`s  8)
Good to see you ;) to on the  site .

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« Reply #23 on: November 03, 2005, 10:30:52 AM »
Hey what you need for the rebuild? May have some parts to help. L
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« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2005, 01:09:41 PM »
keep the faith Leo,

you gotta keep your "unscratched" chin up.

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« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2005, 06:05:24 PM »
Leo, sorry to hear about the crash, to words of advice, get back on the bike, and get a good lawer. The other guy's insurance is responible, for hospital bills, repairing your bike, lost wages, pain and suffering. Alot of lawers will work a case like this, for a percentage of what you are awarded. I know taking people to court is the american way, and it'll teach this guy to look, for motorcycles.

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« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2005, 08:43:30 PM »
My last accident was in 1992. I was zipping down Benedict Canyon and young woman pulled out of a side street (I had the right of way ... so it was her fault) and I had nowhere to go but into her car. Bike was totalled and I cracked my sacrum. Ow. I never didn't want to ride after that. I bought a NEW helmet shortly there after to inspire me to buy a new bike. It took me 13 years to find one. (what with no money or needing the money for other things, or having the money and not seeing anything I liked or not having enough money for what I DID like et cetera.)

Yeah, I think taking a safety course is a good idea to get your confidence back. The fact that you are bummed by your emotional reaction to getting hurt and that it seems to interfere with getting right back on is a good sign. Alot of people would simply say, "Never again." and hang up their helmet. The accident will make you a better rider.

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« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2005, 08:53:39 PM »
There will come a time my friend again when you are tuned sharp again. Razor sharp, almost to the point of preminition. You'll get there and that will be the time you will have to constantly evaulate your riding.

I hate intersections. I had a friend killed by a drunk driver that rear ended him and his wife while they waited for the stop light. Killed him on the scene and cripled her. Now when they creep up on me at a stop light I just turn right and make sure to give them the finger as I go.

I am sure with all the junk some of us have sitting around we can get you maybe back to normal (well sort of). No one is ever normal again after they have participated in this forum.

Wish you luck and healing my friend...................

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« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2005, 07:27:50 AM »
That's why I always promote nice riding on a bike. People who have never been a biker see us like a danger, with loud pipes, lane splitting and careless driving. I'm not saying they don't give a damn if they kill a biker, but the general sense is that it is always the biker's fault, when society should see us as a specie to protect, provided we are the weaker ones. Doesn't the government protect endangered species against human harm? Why don't they protect the bikers against the car drivers?

Intersections are the number 1 danger in city driving. I use to reduce a gear so the engine revs higher, that way I have plenty of torque in case I have to get out the intersection fast. Anyway, I always look for eye contact, when in doubt I just yield even if I have the right, even when in my car.

I have only had a crash on my car. I hit the one in front because I was distracted looking for my hotel. We were driving about 50 miles per hour and I didn't even had the time to brake, I simply crashed into him. The airbag deployed but I got undamaged. Unfortunately for him he had to wear a neck collar, but not for long. Well, after that I needed one week to drive again, and when driving in the passenger seat, I crawled into the seat everytime the driver got so close to the preceding car. It just went away naturally, but driving a car is very different than driving a bike. If you get killed on a bike people doesn't understand, you shouldn't be doing it because you were going nowhere. If you get killed on a car it's assumed as a casualty, as you can't live without transportation and those thing happens. The bombing on Madrid trains killed 200 people. That's the number of casualties on any summer campaign and it almost doesn't get headlines.


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« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2005, 09:29:28 AM »
Member from Norwegians SeniorsMC-Clubb  was driving i germany on the autbahn, they use a flouro gellow vest ,same as the germany atobahn polizie are using . people was afraid of them :o , but you se them exstrimly goood in trafic.

So on road is up to the bike driver , do you  want people to se you in trafic ;D ,or do you not :o !
That the questions  ??? ???


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« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2005, 12:18:00 PM »
Leo,
get back on there as soon as possible i appreciate the law is different over there in USA, but dont rely on the cops to help your case (incidentally i am a Brit motorbike cop myself). Similarly do not trust a lawyer who knows nothing about bikes. I have had a few crashes caused by others turning across me. As recent as Apr 2003 i was wiped out by a driver who pulled out in front and left me nowhere to go. I have ended up fighting my case through the civil and criminal courts here in the UK and over 2 years later still have had no compensation. Scheming lying insurance companies and every trick in the book to avoid paying up. I even had to get rid of the Lawyers acting for me as they missed the most obvious relevant items in the case. I am now representing myself and have the opposition finally on the run.
After every accident i have lovingly restored my bikes and this has fuelled my need to ride again.
The moral is:-  don't let some idiot ruin your future enjoyment of a very special experience (riding).

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« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2005, 06:50:40 PM »
Off topic- EXCUSE ME a minute;
Egil- I want to be a Norwegian pyrotechnic motorcycle rider.  How can I get one of your patches?

I have a patch that says on the outside "Cheap and Shameless Racing" and on the inside says,
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« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2005, 09:48:23 PM »
thank you for all that have replied, it's definatley making things easier getting some confidence back just hearing the stories.  I will definatley ride again, hopefully on my cb.  I've decided to fix it this winter and hopefully get back on in the spring.  Now I just need some insurance money !! ;D  BuThank you guys again, it meas alot

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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2005, 09:39:10 AM »
Off topic- EXCUSE ME  2 minute`s

Uncle Ernie
"  To be a Norwegian pyrotechnic motorcycle rider"  ??? 
                  To be a Pyro-Riders MC of Norway member  ,
You have to be a member of Firebrigade or FireFighters in Norway and are intresstig in MC `s  :),
                    so simplel as that ;).  no fees of any cind ;D.


It`almoust Christmas soon , mybe then  ; IF  you belive in FatherChristas   ??? Than it`s no Problems  ;)
Whit the patch :)

Nice day!
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Re: Crashed.. need some advice
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2005, 02:05:10 PM »
Hope you heal quick. Getting back and riding will tell you if you can or not. As far as the other Driver is concerned, you are sueing him and the Insurance Company is cobering his loss. If you want to move things along, get a Lawyer, file a suit, and the Driver has to answer the complaint, usually through the Insurance Companies Lawyer.
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