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Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« on: May 24, 2009, 04:27:34 PM »
Wondering if anyone knows of a successful front drum brake retrofit done on a cb550... I'm looking down the line, but it's interesting enough. :) As long as I can stop on a silver dollar, I'll be good. It would be nice to get rid of that pesky hydraulic system... and I think it looks better too ;)

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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 06:39:39 PM »
Hi!
   I'm doing the same thing with a 750. Try a cb or cl 450 front drum set up. Old Bike Barn has a 450 and
www.bikesalvage.com has a 350. Good luck,Joe

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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 06:49:00 PM »
Hi!
   I'm doing the same thing with a 750. Try a cb or cl 450 front drum set up. Old Bike Barn has a 450 and
www.bikesalvage.com has a 350. Good luck,Joe

Good to know I'm not alone on this, but I will not order from OBB again... learned my lesson last week!!

Please let me know how it's going; would love to see some pics of course... and I will be sure to get a few of my project up tomorrow!

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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 11:03:06 PM »
450 is the way to go BUT it will never work as good as the disc
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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 11:50:25 PM »
was thinking the same thing but like bryanj said it won't work as good as a dick setup. but I do like how less clutter the handlebars look.
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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 03:16:50 PM »
   I'm told the older disc like my 78 is not a very good one and the 450 drum is actually better. Joe

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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 03:24:39 PM »
was thinking the same thing but like bryanj said it won't work as good as a dick setup. but I do like how less clutter the handlebars look.

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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2009, 03:34:57 PM »
Drum will stop good a few times then fade.   Good enough for the street unless you ride like Heff.
One of the bikes at the old bike ride has dual leading drums on both sides.
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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2009, 11:00:03 PM »
was thinking the same thing but like bryanj said it won't work as good as a dick setup. but I do like how less clutter the handlebars look.

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Sounds extremely painful.


wow I just read my last post and forgot to spell check it but you ll knew what I ment.
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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 03:51:13 AM »
depends on the drum of course - the massive 4LS yamaha tz drums when set up correctly work way better than any classic hydraulic setup. You can improve even the cb450 drum by getting modern compounds fitted to the shoes....coincidentally, I'm selling a pair on ebay now LOL! ;D
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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 07:41:04 AM »
depends on the drum of course - the massive 4LS yamaha tz drums...

Is this what you mean? Nice lookin bike- nice lookin brakes... MASSIVE front drum...



I couldn't find a Yamaha 4LS TZ...

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Re: Front Drum Brake Retrofit?
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 08:25:00 AM »
no matter how much you modernize a cb450 setup it is still inadequate for the weight of a 750/550 and you will be operating at that drum's limits pretty much all the time.

GT750 and GT550 suzukis came with massive 4LS front drums which work excellent and since the Waterbuffalo is close to the cb in weight it is a better starting place. A lot of vintage racers use these drums so the price has been driven up in recent years (expect to pay $300-$400 for a good one ready to use) but they are still floating around in yards and occasionally I see GT550s being sold as cheap parts bikes with one.

Other drums to consider are BMW and moto Guzzi drums. Giant things that wil haul most heavy bikes down from speed. Some of the Guzzi drums can be had pretty cheap.

If you really want to spend the money you can still get Grimeca 2LS drums, but expect to spend more than your bike is worth.

Stay away from brit bike drums. Brit bikes drums are awful and the bikes weigh less than a SOHC4.

However, other than posuer coolness there is no advantage to running a drum in this modern era unless your race class requires it. A disc brake offers two advantages over a drum that far and away overpower any need for one:

1) repeatability. Sure that first stop of the drum brake will be better than any disc. And maybe that second will be also. But really once fade sets in the drum is going to be less and less efficient and more unpredictable. With a disc, your 100th lever pull will be fairly close to your first and your 1000th. Every watch the old Car and Track road tests speed network used to show? Those guys would brake test old drum brake cars and by the 10th panic stop the car was already using up an extra 30-50 feet and fade had taken hold. It doesn't take much to use up a drum

2) Weight. A drum is a big chunk of unsprung metal. That is a lot of extra weight you don't need slowing down how you accelerate. Adding unsprung weight to a bike is probably the worst idea possible if performance was your goal. If you can find other places to take the weight off them maybe it won't hurt you too bad but really what are you after - a good looking bike that can't get out of its own way or a good performing bike that is a joy everytime you ride it but doesn't give you the vintage look street cred the other cafe posuers clamor for? If it were me I would rather have a fast bike than one that looked fast but went slow and couldn't stop.
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