Topic: Ever heard of dynabeads?

[1974CB750rider]

They're also new technology give it time. I still say they do work and I'd be willing to bet I get extended tire life by useing them. Big rigs are useing them and they turn a hell of a lot of miles. Thats got to mean something. But what do I know I'm just regular guy who never went to college and didn't get a degree in engineering or win the noble prize for some huge scientific break through. I just enjoy riding motorcycles and if I try something new and it works then I keep doing it. Call it crazy but its always worked for me. I just believe their is a lot of good things in life that I would have missed or still will miss if I don't try it for myself. Again to function in this matter takes commen sense and in my opinion thats what a lot of scientist and engineers lack. This is only an opinion from a regular guy feel free to make it yours.

[mlinder]

Can you really make a scientific deduction about anything unless you try it for yourself?

Absolutely you can, science has boundaries and parameters that don't change and if they do they have been well documented, so what your engineer friend is saying is proven science.

Exactly. You can't argue with physics. It isn't 'theory'. Theories need to be proven. After they are proven, they are no longer theories. Newtonian physics, Einsteinian Physics, and even most Quantum Physics (ok, so I might be laying it on a bit thick here...) all point to this stuff not working. We don't need to do the tests ourselves because the tests have been done, and documented, a hundred thousand times.

As I said before, I may really be missing something here, but I've gone over a lot of it trying to find a reason for these to work as advertised, and I just can't. I've asked multiple people that understand this crap better than I do, put out theories to them, then came to realise why the things they DID show working, worked, and why those things do not apply to the real application.

Again, I swear, sometime before christmas, I will buy some, and take them with a wheel to a wheel balancing place and get the data on un-dyna'd and dyna'd.
Promise.

Until then, or even after then, enjoy the beads,

God, I #$%*ing ruin everything.

[1974CB750rider]

By the way the rear tire that I replaced had plenty of tread on it. The only reason I replaced it was because it had cracks in the side walls. Otherwise I would still be riding on it. There was another guy on here that said he'd been running on his spitfires for 8yrs and they were still soft, of course he also said he kept it in a garage to.

[Retro Rocket]

They're also new technology give it time. I still say they do work and I'd be willing to bet I get extended tire life by using them. Big rigs are using them and they turn a hell of a lot of miles. Thats got to mean something. But what do I know I'm just regular guy who never went to college and didn't get a degree in engineering or win the noble prize for some huge scientific break through. I just enjoy riding motorcycles and if I try something new and it works then I keep doing it. Call it crazy but its always worked for me. I just believe their is a lot of good things in life that I would have missed or still will miss if I don't try it for myself. Again to function in this matter takes common sense and in my opinion thats what a lot of scientist and engineers lack. This is only an opinion from a regular guy feel free to make it yours.

I'm sorry but your views are too simplistic, don't you think Michelin and co haven't done every thing possible to fine tune the science of tyres and their different uses?

There does not need to be any common sense in science as everything is proven or exposed as not working based on FACT. Like i said earlier, if this was a "big" breakthrough we would have been introduced to it by the motor manufactures or the tyre companies themselves.
Remember scientists work on facts to form a solution to a problem, completely devoid of emotion so you can't alter physics to gain a solution, its impossible. This reminds me of all the "gas saver" contraptions that started coming out in the 1980's. The smoke and mirrors guys still make a fortune from the gullible masses....

Mick

[1974CB750rider]

Whatever you say but that being the case I guess myself and all the other people that are running them and don't have the ugly ass wheel weights on our bikes all have perfect tires and perfect rims since according to science theirs no way, no how dyna beads could be keeping our bikes from riding like a log wagon with our unbalanced wheels.

[coldright]

ugly ass wheel weights

Is this what all the fuss is about?

[Retro Rocket]

Whatever you say but that being the case I guess myself and all the other people that are running them and don't have the ugly ass wheel weights on our bikes all have perfect tires and perfect rims since according to science theirs no way, no how dyna beads could be keeping our bikes from riding like a log wagon with our unbalanced wheels.

This is my last post on this subject. I doubt most people could feel a slightly out of balance wheel as they never ride hard enough to notice it any way. I have only ever once felt an out of balance wheel out of the 20 odd bikes i have owned the last 20 years and it wasn't a balance problem it was the spokes needed adjusting. All my bikes have needed balancing when the rims have been put on a balancer but there was no discernible wobble in the first place. Having worked in bike shops and seen hundreds of wheels balanced i bet if you took a freshly balanced wheel to another shop it would still be slightly out of balance. Have fun with your little balls....

Mick

[1974CB750rider]

I intend to and have fun spendinging time and money balanceing your wheels the old stoneage way. After reading all the post on this thread I truely believe that to much college is a bad thing.

[Markcb750]

I intend to and have fun spendinging time and money balanceing your wheels the old stoneage way. After reading all the post on this thread I truely believe that to much college is a bad thing.

But can you use the scientific method to prove too much education is a bad thing?

[1974CB750rider]

I ask mlander this and now I'll ask Mark750. Why don't you go ride your bike 50miles with weights on the wheels then come home and mark your rims where the weights were and pull them off and install the dyna beads then go ride the bike another 50 miles and judge for yourself or are you affraid you might find out they work and you won't be able to figure out why. What to you have to lose for trying them besides $7.00-$10.00?

[Markcb750]

I would do this if I had the time to waste.

The Greeks believed that all nature could be understood by reason. the Renaissance brought us the scientific method, adding to the validity of reason.

One can reason (create a theory) but the theory is valid  only when one  conducted a test of the theory to confirm it, and that others needed to be able to repeat this test (experiment).


This development of knowledge has been going on for nearly half a millennium.  Many of these thought experiments have been tested to the point where they can be taught to students, allowing the student to take what he/she has learned and apply it to problems, then make informed decisions as to the expected results from a test.   

I am one of those students, and I do not think I need to spend my time removing wheel weights, stuffing magic beans into valve stems, and making a snake oil salesman wealthy.  I'll just ride my 750 with well balanced wheels & tires thanks to the mechanics at Iron Horse Motorcycles, secure in my understanding of why my tires ride so nice and that I used the best available process to smooth my ride.

[1974CB750rider]

Thats what I thought, you just confirmed what I think. You stated the word experiment in your last post. What I ask you to do was to conduct an experiment and try them for yourself. You telling me you don't have the time to do this leads me to believe that you some what believe these work but refuse to try them for yourself in fear of being unable to explain why they work.

[mlinder]

We aren't 'afraid' to use them, 1974CB, we just refuse to be suckered in to buying something that we, personally, can't see working. I'm also offended by dynabeads marketing tactics.
Again, I will buy these before Christmas, and have them tested on a wheel balancer.
I'm not trying to dissuade you, or anyone else, from buying and using them.
I, personally, have a natural tendency to study and evaluate claims and issues, with as much knowledge as I have, or can find.
I also prefer to follow practiced, scientific methods to prove or disprove a claim or theory. Anecdotal evidence and bad math are not acceptable to me, nor are unscientific methods of data gathering.
Me 'trying' them is an unscientific method, as I know that a.) I am incapable of measuring minimal (or nonexistent) changes in a complex system while being able to ascribe said changes to a single element of a complex system with multiple elements and b.) I am already predisposed to believing they do not work, which could color my perception, and therefore report, of the item in question.
Also, any claim I made would also be anecdotal, which is unacceptable. Without the use of a calibrated measuring system, that gives me quantifiable, repeatable results, I cannot make a claim as to it working in good conscience.

[BVCB650]

We aren't 'afraid' to use them, 1974CB, we just refuse to be suckered in to buying something that we, personally, can't see working. I'm also offended by dynabeads marketing tactics.
Again, I will buy these before Christmas, and have them tested on a wheel balancer.
I'm not trying to dissuade you, or anyone else, from buying and using them.
I, personally, have a natural tendency to study and evaluate claims and issues, with as much knowledge as I have, or can find.
I also prefer to follow practiced, scientific methods to prove or disprove a claim or theory. Anecdotal evidence and bad math are not acceptable to me, nor are unscientific methods of data gathering.
Me 'trying' them is an unscientific method, as I know that a.) I am incapable of measuring minimal (or nonexistent) changes in a complex system while being able to ascribe said changes to a single element of a complex system with multiple elements and b.) I am already predisposed to believing they do not work, which could color my perception, and therefore report, of the item in question.
Also, any claim I made would also be anecdotal, which is unacceptable. Without the use of a calibrated measuring system, that gives me quantifiable, repeatable results, I cannot make a claim as to it working in good conscience.

Well, if you find out they are snake oil, we can all be included in a class action law suit to recover our $8. Works for me.

[Inigo Montoya]

I want to try these beads, probably next spring. My question is this though. Why are some so opposed to trying these? Is it because they think that science in not valid here and therefore are junk? But keep in mind that many things once thought to be fact by science have been proven wrong. Sorry but we know next to nothing of physics. Even Hawkings does not know it all and I doubt(but maybe I am wrong)that there are any world class scientists here. Just because someone here does not intimately know these beads, does not mean they do not work. I think that is one issue with riding old bikes, or bikes in general. Newer tech is not received very well sometimes.

Just remember M, make sure that tire is spinning when you test it. Tires do nothing unbalanced or not if they are not turning.
Besides, I doubt you apply all that bs you just said to everything you try!

[BVCB650]

I want to try these beads, probably next spring. My question is this though. Why are some so opposed to trying these? Is it because they think that science in not valid here and therefore are junk? But keep in mind that many things once thought to be fact by science have been proven wrong. Sorry but we know next to nothing of physics. Even Hawkings does not know it all and I doubt(but maybe I am wrong)that there are any world class scientists here. Just because someone here does not intimately know these beads, does not mean they do not work. I think that is one issue with riding old bikes, or bikes in general. Newer tech is not received very well sometimes.

Just remember M, make sure that tire is spinning when you test it. Tires do nothing unbalanced or not if they are not turning.
Besides, I doubt you apply all that bs you just said to everything you try!

I'm kind of a simple minded SOB, but I can picture in my mind a tire that is heavier on one side, and when spinning, the centrifigual force causes the beads to settle in the "valley" or lighter spot on the tire. But then, I'm not a rocket scientist so who the hell knows.

[1974CB750rider]

Thank you BREW, I try to keep an open mind on things but when you got wanna be professors trying to poke and prod every new piece of technology that comes out without at the very least trying it their selfs before they start saying it doesn't work or it doesn't make sense. This is new tech and I believe that with in the next few years you will find them being used by automotive factorys as well as motorcycle, rv, big rigs, etc.

[mlinder]

I want to try these beads, probably next spring. My question is this though. Why are some so opposed to trying these? Is it because they think that science in not valid here and therefore are junk? But keep in mind that many things once thought to be fact by science have been proven wrong.

You are talking about things like the world being flat. That's because a.) God told them it was flat, and b.) flatness was the PERCEPTION, without a valid process to measure for flatness.

Sorry but we know next to nothing of physics.

This is an untrue statement. It's a dangerous statement, first because of it's falseness stated as fact, and second because it is intended to allow people feel ok about not bothering to try to understand something or learn something using their brains and information available to everyone.

Even Hawkings does not know it all and I doubt(but maybe I am wrong)that there are any world class scientists here. Just because someone here does not intimately know these beads, does not mean they do not work. I think that is one issue with riding old bikes, or bikes in general. Newer tech is not received very well sometimes.

Everything that happens on a bike, old or new, can be explained with physics. I don't need to be a world class scientist to apply the formulae and knowledge supplied to us by world class scientists to a given problem.
If they do work, it's because I am not applying a real and well documented fact of physics. Even as brilliant as I am, I can miss a detail or two sometimes

Just remember M, make sure that tire is spinning when you test it. Tires do nothing unbalanced or not if they are not turning.

Like I said, the tire will be taken to a place with a dynamic tire balancing machine.

Besides, I doubt you apply all that bs you just said to everything you try!

Untrue. I do try to apply these thought processes to nearly everything.

[mlinder]

I want to try these beads, probably next spring. My question is this though. Why are some so opposed to trying these? Is it because they think that science in not valid here and therefore are junk? But keep in mind that many things once thought to be fact by science have been proven wrong. Sorry but we know next to nothing of physics. Even Hawkings does not know it all and I doubt(but maybe I am wrong)that there are any world class scientists here. Just because someone here does not intimately know these beads, does not mean they do not work. I think that is one issue with riding old bikes, or bikes in general. Newer tech is not received very well sometimes.

Just remember M, make sure that tire is spinning when you test it. Tires do nothing unbalanced or not if they are not turning.
Besides, I doubt you apply all that bs you just said to everything you try!

I'm kind of a simple minded SOB, but I can picture in my mind a tire that is heavier on one side, and when spinning, the centrifigual force causes the beads to settle in the "valley" or lighter spot on the tire. But then, I'm not a rocket scientist so who the hell knows.

The valley will be the heavier spot, BVCB650.

[BVCB650]

Like I said, no rocket scientist here, Just a simple SOB.

[mlinder]

Like I said, no rocket scientist here, Just a simple SOB.

I'm a Rocket Surgeon!

[BVCB650]

Like I said, no rocket scientist here, Just a simple SOB.

I'm a Rocket Surgeon!

Wow! Scared of you.

[Inigo Montoya]

You are talking about things like the world being flat. That's because a.) God told them it was flat, and b.) flatness was the PERCEPTION, without a valid process to measure for flatness.

Actually I was not.
The classical elemental theory (that all substance is made of earth, air, fire and water). Disproved by the discovery of subatomic particles and the modern elements, as we know them today.
Aristotle's dynamic motion. It was an attempt at explaining momentum and why certain substances behave in certain ways; it was linked to the concept of the classical elements. Disproved by Galileo.
#  Newton's corpuscular theory of light. While correct in many ways - it was the modern concept of the photon - it too was supplanted by the dual wave-particle theory of light that explains all aspects of it.
# Newton's Laws of Motion (which were improved upon by Einstein - while not really proved wrong, the were shown to be not quite right either. For example in relativity or on the very small scale they don't hold).
All examples of things proven wrong, some based on physics.

This is an untrue statement. It's a dangerous statement, first because of it's falseness stated as fact, and second because it is intended to allow people feel ok about not bothering to try to understand something or learn something using their brains and information available to everyone.

how are humans supposed to quantify what we know and do not know? There are so many things we have not figured out. So many things we cannot do. I does stand to reason there is a vast amount we do not know yet. To assume otherwise is kinda arrogant.

Everything that happens on a bike, old or new, can be explained with physics. I don't need to be a world class scientist to apply the formulae and knowledge supplied to us by world class scientists to a given problem.

That is true, it is also true that things thought impossible on bikes in the 70s are built into the cheapest bike these days. How do you know that dyna beads do not work? It is just your assumption because you have not seem them yourself. That alone proves nothing. I have not seen them either but the fact that more than 1 person here has used them with good success means they could be worth trying.

Untrue. I do try to apply these thought processes to nearly everything.

If this were true, then why are you on an old bike when almost anything these days is better in terms of handling, braking, acceleration, and possibly reliability?

[BVCB650]

Well, I wish they'd mount a little nano camera on one of those beads so we could see in real time just what the hell is going on inside there. I ride an old bike cause I'm poor.

[1974CB750rider]

Hey Mlinder how do you keep a pollock in suspense?