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best tank sealer available?
« on: May 29, 2009, 05:17:28 AM »
anyone have experience trying different brands?  I'm trying to find the best available for virgin fiberglass tanks... the one I'm using now is A+ as far as I know, but if I can find an A+++ then all the better
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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 07:15:04 AM »
I am also curious to find the best liner for my Dunstall glass tank. I was planning on having my local radiator/gas tank repair shop install a modern liner to protect from ethonol.
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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 11:01:27 AM »

I've used the POR-15 sealer on steel tanks that were in really rough shape.  Absoultely no problems or leaks in a couple of years. 

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 11:10:05 AM »
I see red kote recommended a lot too.

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 12:04:13 PM »
Yeah, I had a local radiator shop do it for a benjamen.
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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 12:30:26 PM »
POR-15 seems to do a very good job and many are happy with the results. I have heard of redcote as well and it seems to be a radiator shop thing. Either would probably be good. I hear lots of bad about kreme peeling off in a few years. I dont know if it is a bad product in itself or if it just requires very careful prep.

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 03:42:13 PM »

I've used the POR-15 sealer on steel tanks that were in really rough shape.  Absoultely no problems or leaks in a couple of years. 

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 05:02:29 PM »
I used the POR 15 kit on mine and so far I'm really happy with the results.

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 05:34:01 PM »
I just got done removing a  Kreem job, I assume.  The bike I recently bought had the liner done by the previous owner in the prep to get the bike back on road but it had already peeled, never having seen fuel.  It's not a fun process to remove it.  I did it with a gallon of acetone and a bunch of BBs.  The stuff softens very quickly in the acetone but it doesn't dissolve it very readily thus something to shake around in the indide to scrape it off made all the difference.  I eventually got it out.  I've been leaning toward trying Red-Kote if I put another liner in. 

The tank has some small pinholes that worked their way in from the outside, the inside is really not very rusty.  Needs paint anyway so I may attempt a different fix of the pinholes, I haven't decided yet.

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2009, 06:58:21 PM »
Before I used Por-15 on my Tracy tank I called the factory and got one of their R & D guys on the phone.  He gave me the thumbs up on virgin fiberglass tanks and it worked out fine  8)

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2009, 07:02:31 AM »
Many people on the Britbike forum swear by Caswell's tank lining kit for sealing tanks.
 I have not tried it yet but plan to do so in the near future.

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2009, 07:49:24 AM »
As I cannot get anyone in real life to discuss this, maybe you guys have some input?
This is an interesting read for me because we're having an issue with the tank liners in our big trucks "shedding". (f250-350) Especially trucks from Illinois. We have had a high failure in injectors, and pumps, due to clogging on the system after dropping below 25 degrees f. Bio-diesel and gasoline containing more than 7 % ethanol, are beginning to eat away at the liners in the tanks. After running approx. 25 full tanks with these bio and ethanol blends it starts to deteriorate. In the midwest, the temperature will generally drop for winter and the fuel will have softened the liner.  When the vehicle is left to sit in the outdoor temperatures over a 12 hour period, the customer comes out to the vehicle only to have experienced some type of fuel "gelling". No start, slow cranks, stalling, even on the road. Inevitably it gets towed into the shop, were we begin to diagnose and take fuel samples. The samples ALWAYS have  bits of liner in them. it stays down at the bottom of the bottle until it gets just below freezing, and then when it hits about 25, all that liner starts floatin around getting sucked up in the fuel pickups and injectors and pumps, etc etc.
ANYWAY, there's no way to tell every fuel company to quit putting more ethanol and bio in the fuel mixtures, so they're trying out new materials to seal tanks. So far they have had 3 new liners installed in 3 different models and we're still having alot of fuel pump trouble in fleet cars. (cop cars, ambulances, and railroad) Most of these places purchase their own fuel in bulk and keep it on premises. Now, as I don't work for any of these places, I can't verify this but, I imagine fuel companies bid and the best "deal" wins. If these places are adding more ethanol and bio to their fuel, they're still only advertising it as 7%. So, I ask, are they just trying make more money by squeezing more additives into fuel? Is everyone so naive to ignore the fact that this is no coincedence?
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« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2009, 08:02:38 AM »
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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2009, 12:27:13 PM »
I use RedKote (now blue in color, same stuff) and have had good results
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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2009, 02:32:31 PM »
Had kreeme liner in tank when I bought the bike, peeled a few weeks later, and I did the POR-15 and it worked great. The kreeme may have been peeling due to bad prep by PO, but I will never know
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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2009, 03:02:33 PM »
PO had used Kreeme on the tank when he started his aborted restorarion, the tank never saw fuel after he used it and the tank sat for two years until I got the bike, the liner had peeled and I had to do the dance of Acetone to get all that stuff out. Used Red Kote when I redid it, was easy to apply, the hardest part was coming up with a way to rig hair dryers to dry the tank after I cleaned it. We shall see how it holds up!

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2009, 04:33:12 AM »

I've used the POR-15 sealer on steel tanks that were in really rough shape.  Absoultely no problems or leaks in a couple of years. 

Tracy

Is this the POR-15 kit that everyone likes?

http://www.por15.com/CYCLE-TANK-REPAIR-KIT/productinfo/CTRK/

Yes. That's what I used on my F1. I was very happy with the results.

For a fiberglass tank, I think I would use the Redkote stuff, though. Just my opinion since PORT-15 seems to be designed for metal.

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2009, 04:59:20 AM »
Hi Inkscars, i think you will find it is only the ethanol that is making those liners soften and fall apart. I have used straight bio diesel in lined tanks for a couple of years and know others that do the same with no trouble at all. I don't like using ethanol fuels at all, even melted the tank on my lawn mower.


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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2009, 01:24:07 PM »
See that's what I don't get.
The first ones we started noticing were ONLY diesels. After some investigations, we found that trucks from Illinois were experiencing more issues. Then we found out that at some places they're running 17 percent bio out of the pump.
I don't know if this is just the liner was not rated for that high or what.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2009, 03:57:06 PM »
Thats strange, i have never known bio diesel to be volatile at all unless they are putting ethanol in that as well...

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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2009, 05:47:13 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2009, 10:31:40 AM »
I had a Norton Fastback with a fiberglass tank that was attacked by ethanol about 8 years ago - Ohio gas. Brown Goo clogged the carb idle circuits & coated the intake valve stems making them look like corn dogs. I called POR-15 & they told me not for use on fiberglass.  I tried the Caswell epoxy sealer & the Brown Goo came back - probably didn't do a good job. I called Colorado Norton Works and asked them what they used to seal fiberglass tanks. They recommended a product sold by Bill Hirsch Auto (auto restoration supplies) known as Gas Tank Sealer (http://www.hirschauto.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ARK-01). They advertize it as being alcohol proof and compatable with metal, fiberglass, and plastic tanks. I used this product on my Norton fiberglass tank and it worked great - no more brown goo. it never failed, i.e., delaminated from the tank forming a floating bladder. Probably rode that bike 15,000 in the 6 years after using the product (sold the bike last year). 

I've never used Kreem but I suspect this product is similar. It is white, one part, air cured, and uses MEK as a carrier/solvent. It is thick like maple syrup and starts to dry very quickly. I'd recommend pouring in a quart to get good coverage, draining out the excess, then repeating at least once more using what was drained out the first time. I'd use it again on a fiberglass tank.

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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2009, 06:34:54 PM »
i'm going to give this one a shot... they seem to bash the moisture cured types, which kbs, por and kreem seem to be...

I had a Norton Fastback with a fiberglass tank that was attacked by ethanol about 8 years ago - Ohio gas. Brown Goo clogged the carb idle circuits & coated the intake valve stems making them look like corn dogs. I called POR-15 & they told me not for use on fiberglass.  I tried the Caswell epoxy sealer & the Brown Goo came back - probably didn't do a good job. I called Colorado Norton Works and asked them what they used to seal fiberglass tanks. They recommended a product sold by Bill Hirsch Auto (auto restoration supplies) known as Gas Tank Sealer (http://www.hirschauto.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ARK-01). They advertize it as being alcohol proof and compatable with metal, fiberglass, and plastic tanks. I used this product on my Norton fiberglass tank and it worked great - no more brown goo. it never failed, i.e., delaminated from the tank forming a floating bladder. Probably rode that bike 15,000 in the 6 years after using the product (sold the bike last year). 

I've never used Kreem but I suspect this product is similar. It is white, one part, air cured, and uses MEK as a carrier/solvent. It is thick like maple syrup and starts to dry very quickly. I'd recommend pouring in a quart to get good coverage, draining out the excess, then repeating at least once more using what was drained out the first time. I'd use it again on a fiberglass tank.

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Re: best tank sealer available?
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2016, 09:59:37 AM »
Red Kote will not work. It is not safe with ethanol gas and I do not recommend it. I lined my CB750 Supersport tank and within 3 months over half the Red Kote had dissolved.

Check this product...

http://www.tptools.com/Bill-Hirsch-Super-Gas-Tank-Sealer,2556.html?ns_md=CSE&ns_sc=GoogleProducts&ns_cn=GoogleProducts&utm_medium=CSE&utm_source=GoogleProducts&utm_campaign=BH-GTS&gclid=CjwKEAiA94nCBRDxismumrL83icSJAAeeETQMVTAgyideOqMb8ms2wr5M9fjQb9M2IUjpO7l_4eA0xoCd4Lw_wcB



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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2016, 10:46:33 AM »
I had a customer who owned a Beautiful Norton 750 Commando,black w/ gold lettering with original paint.I noticed the fiberglass fuel tank looked a bit strange inside so we agreed to get it coated.I brought the tank to a local boat builders shop(after completely drying it out)and they put clear fiberglass resin inside it and when it set-up it was nice.I haven't heard from Mr. Day w/ his 750 Commando in a while(he lives in CA. and only came to the island for Summer trips) and wonder how his tank is doing now considering the amount of Ethanol they put in the fuel lately.
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