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"Press-in" jet
« on: June 02, 2009, 08:57:14 am »
I am tearing into my '77 750F carbs for the first time.  So far so good...or better stated, I am not yet afraid of the process.  I have 2 questions:
1) Do these carbs have the dreaded press-in jet that seems to be difficult to remove without marring?
2) what is the consensus on breaking apart the individual carbs as opposed to keeping them connected.  I am afraid of damaging the brass tubes inside the rubber between the carbs.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 09:02:11 am »
I took a pair of pliers and coated the ends in black high temp rtv. seemed to be the only thing that didnt come off right away. That helped keep from tearing the press in float valve apart.

Not sure if your's has that though. I don't think it does but don't quote me.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 09:03:19 am »
I just used a ladies touch with some vice grips. Mine all look fine.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 09:07:53 am »
rofl we'll obviously men don't attack things with a ladies touch.

we prefer to use more drastic and expensive tools to get the job done.  ;) :D
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 09:10:33 am »
And there I was thinking that I could buy another single-use specialty tool for it.  That is if there even is one. 
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 09:12:43 am »
And there I was thinking that I could buy another single-use specialty tool for it.  That is if there even is one. 

used to be. from kawasaki. looked like a small blind bearing puller. costs about $350 or so IIRC.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 09:14:53 am »
Yes you have press ins. Use a needlenose and wrap the jet in a bit of rubber or cloth. Grip and twist while pulling. They usually do not require hercules power to pull out but will not just fall out. Putting them back in requires some light tapping to make sure they are fully seated.

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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2009, 09:16:06 am »
Where is it?  I have a diagram in the manual, but nothing is resonating.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2009, 09:22:21 am »
If you can wait an hour...... #$%* I don't wanna take my carbs off on lunch. hang on. lemme look.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 09:30:09 am »
Sorry... this is the best I can do..
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 09:32:52 am »
Rock on.  I am almost positive my carbs do NOT have anything between those 2 jets.  Then again, I am at work and wishful thinking may be getting the better of me.

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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2009, 09:33:11 am »
I use a pair of soft jawed parallel pliers for removal.

Each carb has a center post casting for the main jet.  Next to that you'll find a post with a hole in it.  Brass colored.  That's it.

You could also look at page 255 of the Honda Shop manual.  Fig, K7-9 points the slow jet out clearly.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2009, 09:34:39 am »
It's curious. If you have a 77 carb bank you have it. I didn't think I had it either.
It looks like a piece formed into the carb body.
I thought it WAS  a piece of the carb body.
I clamped down lightly and gave a tiny turn both ways and pulled, came right out.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2009, 09:35:16 am »
I am thinking that it IS wishful thinking on my part.
Ok will investigate this evening.  Any further thoughts on breaking the set apart or leaving the 4 carbs connected?
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2009, 09:35:36 am »
See, twotired is the one that told me to get a hold of myself and yank it out.  ;D
I don't know if they come apart. I pull mine as a whole bank.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2009, 09:37:09 am »
Yank we will...I'll report later
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2009, 09:46:50 am »
I've refurbished a couple sets of this style carbs.  I never separated them from the bank.  I didn't polish or paint them either.  I also didn't have to futz with the choke plates.  Everything that needs to be clean for them to work right is cleanable with them assembled in the bank.

However, if you find white corrosion deposits inside, it might be necessary in order to clean certain passageways by mechanical means.

Hopefully, the carbs didn't sit with gasahol in them.

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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2009, 09:56:30 am »
If you mean that when I opened the bowls, yellowish liquid somewhat reminiscent of gasoline poured out, then yeah they have sat for over a year and a half (that I am pretty sure of) full of that.
Might as well inquire now, what should I be on the lookout for and exactly where?  Sounds like white deposits.  In the nooks and crannies?
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2009, 10:28:21 am »
I pulled mine apart some. I removed 1 and 4 and pulled 2 and 3 apart some. Enough to get all the fuel lines apart to either replace or clean them out.

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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2009, 10:54:17 am »
"As Necessary, Where Required?"
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2009, 02:58:22 pm »
Corrosion is a conversion process that changes one material into another.  Rusting, converts iron to iron oxide. Iron can literaly rust away.  So too, can the metal that the carb bodies are made of.  They are an alloy of aluminum and other metals, one of which is zinc, I believe.  Anyway, water is a catalyst for corrosion, of metals.  The white deposits are usually accompanied by metal pitting, which is lost metal.  If the water was not  exactly PH factor 7.0, then there is also an acid/basic/reaction that can speed up the metal conversion process.  I've seen brass inside these carbs get pitted from corrosion, too.

Do look for signs of metal conversion inside the carbs, and deal with as necessary.

Do scritinize the idle/slow/pilot circuits/passageways, and all exit holes. There are fourm and all of them must be able to flow fluid to any an all others.

The 750 PD carbs also have an accelerator pump, passageways to each carb, and a squirt nozzle in each to verify clear flow.  The pump itself has two check valves that must be clear to flow in one direction and block flow in the other direction.

Do it all the first time, and you will reduce the number of times the carbs must come back off the bike.


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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2009, 03:13:25 pm »
yeah carbs sure can corrode.. as seen by mine, on top of that was the white calcium like deposits

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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2009, 03:25:47 pm »
yeah carbs sure can corrode.. as seen by mine, on top of that was the white calcium like deposits



Oh my that hideous. I've seen bad carbs but wow, your's take the cake.
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2009, 04:40:24 pm »
haha woo hoo do i get a prize :P
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Re: "Press-in" jet
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2009, 10:43:33 pm »
haha woo hoo do i get a prize :P

I'd say a new set of carbs...... but I don't have any to spare.  :'(

Unless you want to buy some discounted Mikuni flatslides....  ;D

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