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« on: November 09, 2005, 05:57:36 PM »
Damn Damn Damn. I went for a quick ride today. I think it was 15 miles one way. When I was on my way back I hit third gear and  :o :o :o SCHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEECH d >:( >:( >:( Deep and low in the motor. And then clunk lunk..... coasting... nothing. I hit the starter and nothing moves. I flip out the kick starter and go to give her a kick and with quite a bit of force she comes loose and starts. It runs for about 10 seconds with no noise, no oil light then dead again just before it lets out the death schreech again. :'(
As of right now the motor still turns but sound like someone dumped thier spare bolts can in the crankcase. With any luck at all I will only have to hang new rods and a crank in it. Start it again and it will be a grenade.

Fortunately I have two parts bikes, both Super Sports. I had no plans of putting a super sport motor in my K but it appears that I have no other choice. With any luck I will have it running again this weekend. I have to say I like the idea of just a little higher redline. I cant help but think this has something to do 40K on the motor and a sprint in the redline area for about 8-10 seconds last week to fend off a stupid van fading in my lane as I kicked the damn door. I really wound her up tight ::).
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2005, 06:30:08 PM »
8 to 10 at redline for 10 to15 seconds isn't going to do it. Even low oil won't as it's dry sump. Oil pump went bad or something. I hope you're not talking about those late F engines in regard to replacement.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2005, 06:59:32 PM »
Is this a timely juncture to advertise my patented oil pressure gauges? Only $75.00 to your door, and it'll save you from blowing up your engine! Oh wait a minute, you already have? Hmmnn, what about a nice oil pressure gauge for your replacement engine? Only $75.00 to your door Cheapy, and you'll never blow it up again, ha ha! Cheers, "Mercenary" Terry. ;D
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2005, 07:53:29 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 09, 2005, 06:59:32 PM
Is this a timely juncture to advertise my patented oil pressure gauges? Only $75.00 to your door, and it'll save you from blowing up your engine! Oh wait a minute, you already have? Hmmnn, what about a nice oil pressure gauge for your replacement engine? Only $75.00 to your door Cheapy, and you'll never blow it up again, ha ha! Cheers, "Mercenary" Terry. ;D
I have an oil pressure gauge too, but that won't prevent the engine from blowing up, unless of course you're watching it all of the time.  :-\
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2005, 08:55:26 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 09, 2005, 06:59:32 PM
Is this a timely juncture to advertise my patented oil pressure gauges? Only $75.00 to your door, and it'll save you from blowing up your engine! Oh wait a minute, you already have? Hmmnn, what about a nice oil pressure gauge for your replacement engine? Only $75.00 to your door Cheapy, and you'll never blow it up again, ha ha! Cheers, "Mercenary" Terry. ;D

   Damn Terry, ElCheapo just blew his mill and you're making a sales pitch?!?! Running low on the ol' Jack Daniels? ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2005, 09:22:21 PM »
The SS motors that I have are a 76 and 77. The 77 is in better condition. The kickstarter on the 76 is jammed but the rest is ok. I will set up replacment motor with an oil pressure gauge and an adjustable low oil pressure ignition kill. Easy to hide and works real well. Simple oil pressure drops below a certain pressure it kills the ignition pronto. This also works in reverse. No oil pressure when starting? It won't start. This system has been in use in race cars for years and takes very little expertise in the electrical world to make one with basic radio shack components.

I don't know what the hell I did to kill it. Oil pump had to die on it. It was running great earlier and then clink, clunk O....
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2005, 05:33:45 AM »
Quote from: Steve F on November 09, 2005, 07:53:29 PM
I have an oil pressure gauge too, but that won't prevent the engine from blowing up, unless of course you're watching it all of the time.  :-\

Well that's true Steve, just like your brakes won't stop you from running up the ass of the car in front of you if you don't apply them, or your speedo won't stop you getting booked if you don't look at it, you won't be able to see behind you if you don't check your mirrors, etc etc. Sorry mate, what was your point again? ha ha, cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2005, 05:49:21 AM »
i just gotta ask...

when you do break open the engine could you share this nightmare with us by snapping a fiew pics?
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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2005, 07:24:22 AM »
I will share the pics of the tear down in about a week. For reference I checked oil pressure and it is in spec even with all the noise and the oil light never even flickered during the engine failure. I have seen several times that a rod bearing spins and lines up just right so the oil holes still allow oil pressure. Remember this motor has 44,000 on it. No one has ever been in it.

So oil pump is ok. My guess is that a tiny piece of oil hose came loose and jammed itself into a galley starving key parts of oil.

An oil pressure gauge would have done absolutely nothing as it would have continued to read the correct oil pressure.

Anyone got a few pieces of bread for Terry's foot? ;D Relish is always nice. LOL just kidding Terry..........

I almost have the snotter SS motor out. Just have to pull the bottom mount bolt and oil lines and away we go. Then it's time to get the beast off the trailer and get the motor out of it.
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2005, 10:29:58 AM »
Are you using the innards for the old engine? Or are you trying to swap engines as in F eng in K bike? I think you run in to a sprocket offset issue as well as a mounting issue. I have been told that the sprocket will eat chains. Just a heads up. Sorry about your loss. Let me know about the viewing and where to send flowers.
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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2005, 10:53:09 AM »
Just doing a straight swap at this time.
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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2005, 10:59:27 AM »
Sorry to hear you lost you plant.  Hope you up and running again soon.

Terry, your oil gage, will it fit a 74 550K?  I don't trust my idiot light.

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2005, 04:26:14 PM »
Quote from: ElCheapo on November 10, 2005, 07:24:22 AM

Anyone got a few pieces of bread for Terry's foot? ;D Relish is always nice. LOL just kidding Terry..........


Ha ha, fair enough mate, most of the CB750 engine failures I've seen were caused by either oil pump failure or blocked oil jets in the cylinder head, or of course dropped camchains causing bent valves/pushrods etc.

As your original post hinted at a lubrication problem, I assumed it'd be a more common oil failure, than a piece of hose stuck somewhere, I've never heard of that one?

44000 miles is not unusually high for a CB750, a mate of mine bought his K2 new in 1972, and has "lapped" the odometer, without ever pulling the engine, but he is fastidious with oil and filter changes, and regular maintenance.

Sean Condon emailed me recently to say that even though his oil light is still "working", his oil pressure gauge is indicating a big drop in oil pressure, indicating that his pump is dying, so he's happy that the gauge has saved his engine on this occasion, it'd be a tragedy to destroy a fresh 836CC engine, topped with one of Mike Rieck's beautiful heads and a new Megacycle cam!

Anyway, I'm off to buy a bag of bread rolls, and some Vegemite to cover the smell.............. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2005, 05:27:39 PM »
It's all good Terry. ;D I respect your input as you have forgotten more than I know right now. I just made a killer score tonoght. I bought an 84 Honda Sabre for $50. Looks a bit like #$%*e but it runs ok. I think I will calm down on the motor swap pace on the old 750 and ride the Sabre a bit. I have not looked at it too much. Most of it is there. The turn signals are busted but who cares, a dangling turn signal works as good as a mounted one. ;D
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2005, 06:03:55 PM »
Quote from: ElCheapo on November 10, 2005, 05:27:39 PM
The turn signals are busted but who cares, a dangling turn signal works as good as a mounted one. ;D

And it's omni-directional! Fifty bucks for a running bike? Bloody incredible mate, talk about "Land of the Free", I'm filling out the immigration forms as I type this, ha ha! Whassa Honda sabre? Is that Honda taking the piss out of Suzuki's Katana? Is it a four? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2005, 06:15:05 PM »
Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 10, 2005, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: Steve F on November 09, 2005, 07:53:29 PM
I have an oil pressure gauge too, but that won't prevent the engine from blowing up, unless of course you're watching it all of the time.  :-\

Well that's true Steve, just like your brakes won't stop you from running up the ass of the car in front of you if you don't apply them
That's funny #$%*....sorry guys. Cheapo...if I can help in any way.
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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2005, 07:32:25 PM »
You might say all that. It a 700 V-four liquid cooled. Like a intereceptor in different clothing. I know I never want to do the carb work on it. Holy FREAKIN COW man talk about jammed in there. No place to even spray the old carb spray in!!  ::)
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2005, 08:51:41 PM »
  Terry what is Vegemite ???
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2005, 09:15:21 PM »
OH NO  NO NOOO!! Do not get these wackos started on the vegemite! You would need to spend all day reading this post with as long winded as this subject gets! ;D
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2005, 12:03:42 AM »
Quote from: 6adan on November 10, 2005, 08:51:41 PM
  Terry what is Vegemite ???

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BTW, 6adan, vegemite is a cheap Australian version of the nutrititious sandwich spread known as Marmite by Queen Elizabeth and her (loyal) subjects.
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2005, 03:21:24 AM »
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Uh, oh, now you've gone and done it!
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2005, 06:42:47 AM »
Quote from: ElCheapo on November 10, 2005, 05:27:39 PM
The turn signals are busted but who cares, a dangling turn signal works as good as a mounted one. ;D

In London (and probably everywhere else), a dangling turn signal says "I'm a motorcycle courier - keep well clear"

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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2005, 07:36:37 AM »
Did you know that the delicious & nutritous substance known as Vegemite was originally called "Pawill".

Then the imitators made a poor quality substitute & called it "Marmite".

To stop the whole sh*tfight, the champion Aussies changed the name to (drum roll & national anthem) Vegemite.
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2005, 08:03:09 AM »
aussies have a national anthem? I thought they all just ran around playing road warrior and hiding behind bushes???
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2005, 08:24:23 AM »
Aaaahhhh, Mad Max. Another champion Aussie export in the shape of Mel Gibson.

Even though his physique and dashing good looks are not in the same class as yours truly.
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« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2005, 09:04:55 AM »
God??!! I didnt mean it to turn into all this. Sorry Terry..... LOL ANyway got the Sabre running. It will need carb work at sometime but that is not now. I did the feed it every chemical for carbs under the sun and it now will wind up ok. God it hits the 10 grand limit fast! Only it wont idle. Also the aircleaner turned into snot as I forgot to remove it before feeding an entire can of carb spray to the beast. Oh well. You don't have to idle in the twistys. I will make sure to screw some mirrors on the thing and get a little ride time in today. ;D Dont care how, I just need some ride time it helps me refocus and get back on track and I dont want to ride the minty Kawasaki 440 LTD and put more miles on it. Besides, while it is minty it feels mopedish.
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« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2005, 10:42:50 AM »
Quote from: dpen on November 11, 2005, 08:24:23 AM
Aaaahhhh, Mad Max. Another champion Aussie export in the shape of Mel Gibson.


   Aussie export? ;D ;D ;D More like an Aussie poser...

   "Gibson's full name is Mel Columcille Gerard Gibson. He was born in Peekskill, New York, the sixth of ten children born to Ann Reilly (who was born in the U.S. to Irish immigrants) and Hutton Gibson, whose parents were Australians of Irish heritage. The family also adopted one child, bringing the total number of children in the family to 11. His younger brother, Donal, is also an actor.
   Although he maintained his United States citizenship, he was raised in Australia from the age of twelve. Following a victory on the TV game show Jeopardy!, Gibson's father, Hutton, moved his family to Australia in 1968 in protest of the Vietnam War for which his elder sons were potentially at risk for being drafted, and also because he believed that changes in American society were immoral.
   Although at one point Gibson possessed an Australian accent that was so thick that his voice was dubbed in the US release of Mad Max (along with the rest of the cast), in the early 1990s he began to lose the accent after having lived in the United States for over a decade. He now has a fully American accent."

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« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2005, 12:02:27 PM »
B ack on topic. I got the Sabre out for a run. Put on about 7 miles. Ran kind of crappy but it di run out ok. The handle bars feel goofy because they are the super bike type. Handles well. However slips out of 5th gear at random. Otherwise ok.

The cb 750 has begun the transformation with the motor swap. It will take a few weeks as I figure the best time to do the fork seals and replace one fork ear and one rubber boot is when I have it all lightened up without a motor in it. But none the less I will provide photos of the damage as soon as possible.
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« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2005, 12:23:46 PM »
uh cheapo look man,we dont much want to hear about your bike rides anymore,this thread is about mel gibson and mad max now. ;D
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« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2005, 01:10:49 PM »
It's OK Cheapy, I'm ignoring all that other #$%*, (for now........) you'll need to pull your carbs and clean your pilot jets to make it idle, they're probably pressed in, so you'll have to carefully twist them out with vice grips, no amount of random carb spraying will do it. If you're putting the F2 engine (black bugger?) in your bike you will need F2 carbs and airbox etc, and your throttle cables are different too. If your F2 engine's good though, it'll be a sweet ride! Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2005, 01:12:17 PM »
daggone terry,you ruined the fun for the day
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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2005, 03:43:21 PM »
Quote from: ElCheapo on November 10, 2005, 07:32:25 PM
You might say all that. It a 700 V-four liquid cooled. Like a intereceptor in different clothing. I know I never want to do the carb work on it. Holy FREAKIN COW man talk about jammed in there. No place to even spray the old carb spray in!!  ::)
Those carbs SUCK to get in place. Order 4 new intake boots (insulators) if you plan on taking them out. I will not touch another V-4 again except for a front tire change.
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« Reply #32 on: November 11, 2005, 05:02:29 PM »
A good hard ride, fuel injection cleaner (sea foam). Now she idles fine and winds up good when warm, plus the choke responds normally now. Terry, it's a good thing because there is no way I am pulling these carbs for a bike I will just be selling in two weeks. It runs acceptable right now. So on to welding up the right muffler and it will be ready.
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« Reply #33 on: November 11, 2005, 05:56:36 PM »
dude!  elcheapo, if you go and make 1000 bucks off this bike after only 2 weeks i'm gonna be disappointed.  ride it for the sake of resurrection, near and certain death only to be a thundering beast once again.
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« Reply #34 on: November 11, 2005, 06:26:09 PM »
The bike rides ok. I little stiff for my taste, a bit like a corpse, real stiff. When I was parking it I heard a strange noise from the motor. Not the kind that makes me panic, but the kind that makes me not exactly happy... ::) I would not ride it a long distance right now. I figure I will ride it gently for a week or so and then BYE BYE BIRDIE..... Heffay, I never keep any bike outside of the old CB 750 K, I stay true to my roots, so there is no love loss by selling it. By selling it I put it in the hands of someone who will love it and take care of it. I NEVER sell to slackers. I need the income anyway and have not done to badly this month so far. $4,500 so far and looking at another $4,500 in cue (bikes still waiting to be sold). Plus this money goes to help pay for the parts on the olf 750 K. This just bikes and parts sales.
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