I had no idea Honda still sold carb kits from 77 ha ha, what a relief, I've cleaned the carbs three times and each time i do it, it seems like theres more crap than the last time. I've never heard of using toilet bowl cleaner for my gas tank, but ill certainly give it a try, I'm currently using an inline fuel filter, just because i didn't want to damage carburetor components any more than they already were, and it is quite a pain, thanks for the input, also where in Michigan do you live, i live there as well