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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #50 on: June 26, 2009, 08:42:13 PM »
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #51 on: June 26, 2009, 08:58:28 PM »

Checkout the toolbox sticker I found going through that stuff. Sweet!

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« Reply #52 on: June 27, 2009, 08:55:12 AM »

Checkout the toolbox sticker I found going through that stuff. Sweet!


  That's a mighty new tool box there. ;) ;D
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #53 on: June 27, 2009, 09:14:00 AM »

Checkout the toolbox sticker I found going through that stuff. Sweet!




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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #54 on: June 27, 2009, 09:21:23 AM »
Dude you need stickers..

 shoulda bought a used old Snap-On box, for probably same money...
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2009, 09:30:02 AM »
Dude you need stickers..

 shoulda bought a used old Snap-On box, for probably same money...

There's no way even a really used snap-on costs the same as a Craftsmen. I've been searching CL for months and apparently snap-on holds it's value at least as well as gold or mining mineral rights...they are crazy expensive! I know they're quality but $3-4k for a 10 year old box? At least that's what I've seen, maybe I'm not looking in the right places...   
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2009, 09:35:24 AM »
Yeah, Mac and Snap-On = $$$ I need for my rebuild. Craftsman is good. Everything has to be new for a minute  ;)
-Mike

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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2009, 09:41:23 AM »
I probably found around 5 for 150 or less, sometimes a pair for that..
 I turned 1080 onto a nice pair for 120 or less.. :o

 Try running an ad for old toolboxes, ya never know.

 Best deal I seen was a few faded Snap-Ons, in good useable shape at a buddys place,, they coulda have used waxing or paint.
 He was at the scrapyard loading equipment on the weekend and someone dropped them off.. :o. One might have been buggered but at least 2 were what I would have put out good money for..
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #58 on: June 27, 2009, 10:16:32 AM »
 I always found the 2 different philosophies between Yoshimura and RC interesting. Yoshimura believed in lightweight components with extra attention paid to machining and materials. RC was just about the opposite. Heavy,chunky pieces such as pistons/pins etc. In general their stuff always looked crude to me (especially items like the big block). Yosh had the good connections with Japanese companies so they got some quality parts (springs etc).
  
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #59 on: June 27, 2009, 10:18:53 AM »
Dude you need stickers..

 shoulda bought a used old Snap-On box, for probably same money...
That is the big question....to sticker or not. I just got a new tool rollaway and top box and I could cover the things. I don't know???
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #60 on: June 27, 2009, 10:20:40 AM »
Dude you need stickers..

 shoulda bought a used old Snap-On box, for probably same money...

There's no way even a really used snap-on costs the same as a Craftsmen. I've been searching CL for months and apparently snap-on holds it's value at least as well as gold or mining mineral rights...they are crazy expensive! I know they're quality but $3-4k for a 10 year old box? At least that's what I've seen, maybe I'm not looking in the right places...   
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #61 on: June 27, 2009, 10:29:21 AM »

Here's hoping to see a sweet JMR sticker in with my head when it comes back!   ;D
-Mike

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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #62 on: June 27, 2009, 10:46:09 AM »

Here's hoping to see a sweet JMR sticker in with my head when it comes back!   ;D
I'm not cheap...there will be 1 large and 2 small ones. ;)
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #63 on: June 27, 2009, 05:01:47 PM »
Hey, I didn't get no steenken stickers with my first head! WTF?? Dude, you owe me big time with #2  ;)
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #64 on: June 27, 2009, 06:05:40 PM »
Hey, I didn't get no steenken stickers with my first head! WTF?? Dude, you owe me big time with #2  ;)


Well, I wasn't going to say nothing, but...I got stiffied on the sticks too (insert sly smile-half wink emoticon here)...thought maybe it was a first-timer thing...



Now, about that RC 1000 build...
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #65 on: June 27, 2009, 06:42:25 PM »
Well, I proudly display my JMR sticker on the back window the my Z71 Chevy

and as much as I spent I to only got 1 large and 2 small you cheap bast................:)

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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #66 on: June 27, 2009, 06:46:24 PM »
Well, I proudly display my JMR sticker on the back window the my Z71 Chevy

and as much as I spent I to only got 1 large and 2 small you cheap bast................:)

love ya mike

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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #67 on: June 27, 2009, 07:11:51 PM »
Hey, I didn't get no steenken stickers with my first head! WTF?? Dude, you owe me big time with #2  ;)


Well, I wasn't going to say nothing, but...I got stiffied on the sticks too (insert sly smile-half wink emoticon here)...thought maybe it was a first-timer thing...



Now, about that RC 1000 build...
I believe I still have your address Scott and will take care of that oversight.....it gets kind of hectic some times. As for Jerry.....sue me. ;D ;D ;)
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #68 on: June 27, 2009, 08:21:32 PM »
Hey, I didn't get no steenken stickers with my first head! WTF?? Dude, you owe me big time with #2  ;)


Well, I wasn't going to say nothing, but...I got stiffied on the sticks too (insert sly smile-half wink emoticon here)...thought maybe it was a first-timer thing...



Now, about that RC 1000 build...
I believe I still have your address Scott and will take care of that oversight.....it gets kind of hectic some times. As for Jerry.....sue me. ;D ;D ;)

You're tops Mike...
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 :) ;) :D ;D ::)
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2009, 07:01:47 AM »
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2009, 08:47:49 AM »
I always found the 2 different philosophies between Yoshimura and RC interesting. Yoshimura believed in lightweight components with extra attention paid to machining and materials. RC was just about the opposite. Heavy,chunky pieces such as pistons/pins etc. In general their stuff always looked crude to me (especially items like the big block). Yosh had the good connections with Japanese companies so they got some quality parts (springs etc).
 

Exactly!
I always used the Yosh parts for the roadracing (the "ballet" we called it, after the "On Any Sunday" movie), and R/C and Action Four parts for the drags. The Yosh seemed to develop more HP for a given package, but not as much low-end torque as the R/C parts, in my experience. Most riders on the street seemed to prefer the low-end grunt (and dragsters, too), so we always quizzed the owners about their intentions when asked to "build an engine". Most of the roadracer customers just came in and asked for a Yosh buildup, and often knew what parts they were wanting already.

The R/C and Action Fours parts of the early 1970s didn't hold up well on the RR tracks, burning lots of oil and cracking rings. The oil problem at 10,000 RPM ranges was caused by those oil grooves on the piston skirts, for the most part (too much oil for the rings to control in those areas), and the hydraulic action of the oil forcing by would upset the 2nd and 1st rings and make them flutter and crack.

The Yosh pistons were very smoothly cast on their skirts by comparison. Their rods were lighter, and usually weighed EXACTLY the same in a given kit, with a hand-finished appearance, numbered and with corresponding wrist pins, also numbered: very meticulous. The American rods were often tenths of a gram apart in weight, usually with as-cast finishes, wrist pins in a plastic bag together.

We always shot-peened the American rods at the machine shop next door, just in case...  ::)
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2009, 09:03:09 AM »
 I am sure the racing helped Honda 4 sales tremendously.

 I mean  by 76 or 76, the Kawi fours had clearly shown what they could do. The fact that there was lots of speed equipment for the Honda's, evened up the field a bit for Honda supporters..

If none of that were available, Honda would have sold SOHC 750s into 1980 or later....( they would have been unsold 77s!)

 But a few broken parts, is always a byproduct of racing.. In the 70s, the only way to test was on the track or maybe dyno..now it can be done at a desk..witout machining the actual part..
 The old days, throw as much abuse as you can at a part.. see if it holds, or for how long..
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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #73 on: June 29, 2009, 03:08:38 PM »



 I got a question,
 Regardless of anyones opinion on RC Products, does anyone know of anyone, turning quicker times than they did. (with the same Honda motors). using "newer technology".. it should be easier to make horsepower now, than it ever was..
It doesn't take a lot of tech to make big HP with turbo or supercharged engines. Keeping them together and building multi engined bikes takes some know how. Byron is a true genius but they weren't running NA engines. I know one guy who's CB was the the quickest and fastest NA bike with bars in the country and he is in Massachusetts. He was using CB450 valves, +.250 deck etc. Jay knows exactly who it is too though many of you guys have never heard of him.

R.S. by any chance Murphy, he was at Valdosta last year.

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Re: CB750 1000cc RC Cobra Rebuild
« Reply #74 on: June 29, 2009, 07:44:02 PM »
The Yosh pistons were very smoothly cast on their skirts by comparison. Their rods were lighter, and usually weighed EXACTLY the same in a given kit, with a hand-finished appearance, numbered and with corresponding wrist pins, also numbered: very meticulous. The American rods were often tenths of a gram apart in weight, usually with as-cast finishes, wrist pins in a plastic bag together.

We always shot-peened the American rods at the machine shop next door, just in case...  ::)

Hondaman, in the interest of shedding some of my substantial ignorance, what did the shot-peen do for the rods? I'm guessing it was to clean up and smooth the finish? Did this improve strength or uniformity (or balance, I suppose)? Great discussion, by the way...
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