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Offline danielcgordon

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« on: July 14, 2009, 10:25:19 PM »
What is the gauge of the ground?

In order to replace the ground that runs the length of the bike I will need to take it off at the ignition coil correct?

Anything special required for that?

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Re: Wiring
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2009, 11:26:39 PM »
It varies.  The main ground wire in the harness is close to 14 gauge but the round wires that reach the headlight shell look to be 18 gauge.  I assume it depends on what needs a ground connection.

For your second question, I don't remember.  You will need to peel the harness to find out.

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Re: Wiring
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 11:57:09 PM »
on my 650 it starts out as what looks like 12 or 14 guage and splits, attaches, branches, etc etc into 18 guage everywhere.

you're talking about the green ground wire i assume? if so it goes back to the main fuse area, so you'll need to strip damn near ALL the tape off. why are you replacing the wire would be my next question...??

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Re: Wiring
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 12:33:03 AM »
I did this last year, just disconnect all the snap connectors and unhook from all units, then lay it on the floor and untape it from end to end, don't worry it wont fly to bits.
For some reason the PO decided that red would be a great colour to bind the loom, I wanted it back to black. :D
Gives you a chance to repair any problems you find too.
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Re: Wiring
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 10:27:33 AM »
I looked through the shop book and I couldn't seem to find what the gauge of the wire. Its hard looking at over a dozen PDFs and figuring out which one I need.  ???
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Re: Wiring
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 12:35:33 PM »
Wire sizes vary with the expected current they will carry.  Larger wires (smaller gauge number) are needed when currents are higher.

Think of a river and its smaller tributaries, where the battery is equivalent to the a lake or reservoir.  All the waterways leading to the lake stat small and get larger as they reach the reservoir.  Similarly, a turn signal lamp's green wire only needs to carry the current the lamp uses.  However, the green wire connection to the frame at the coils must carry all the current for all the devices that use power on the entire bike (except for the starter motor).
Using too small a wire causes extra voltage loss and even wire heating.  Electrically speaking, too large a wire is better, except for the extra expense and weight they add.

Honda used metric wire sizes, which do not equate with American wire gauge size exactly.  See:
http://www.simetric.co.uk/siwire_elect.htm

Sizing a wire to the load entails determining how much heating the wire has to withstand in order to not melt it's insulation.  The same wire can withstand more heating  when there is air circulating around it, than when it is wrapped up in a bundle.  The wire heats with the power it carries/ vs. it inherent resistance.  The larger the wire cross section, the less resistance it offers.

There are also different types of wire insulation.  Some melt at a higher temperature than others.  The better grades of wire with either have a marking along its length or have a spec sheet/label on the spool.
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Re: Wiring
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 01:06:58 PM »
Thank You,

Believe it or not that much I understand...I know that might be hard to believe from some of my posts.

if I absoulty had to I'd get the largest I could get my hands on (yes I'm exaggerating)...there has to be somewhere that has the sizing chart, right? Or should I just guess and go down a couple of numbers to be sure?

The wire is completely bare, no insulation left what so ever.
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Re: Wiring
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 02:37:39 PM »
Lloyd... (SOHC4 #11 Original Mail List)
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