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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #975 on: February 01, 2013, 03:40:35 PM »
F = F A S T   however I don't know  ;)
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« Reply #976 on: February 01, 2013, 03:41:24 PM »
"Fugly"................ ;D
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« Reply #977 on: February 01, 2013, 03:42:37 PM »
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« Reply #978 on: February 01, 2013, 03:44:43 PM »
I know what "F" stands for when I think of my bike....
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« Reply #979 on: February 01, 2013, 04:02:25 PM »
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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #980 on: February 02, 2013, 03:25:41 AM »
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Ha ha, I nearly pissed my pants Jerry! ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #981 on: February 02, 2013, 01:51:09 PM »
Paint question....I see photos of, and own, a 1976 F1 that has the side covers painted to match the tank and cowling. Most sites that have info on the various years show the side covers painted black. Anyone here know for sure what color they should be? My bike is Candy Antares Red. Thanks guys.

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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #982 on: February 02, 2013, 02:16:33 PM »
The 75 and 76 were not color matched! The color is called Phantom Black or Phantom Gray, don't remember right now which. I'd have to look it up later.
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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #983 on: February 04, 2013, 03:37:00 PM »
Thank you Jerry. My tank is candy red, and the cowling and side covers are Antares red....Thought I might get by with painting the side covers and cowling candy red....I should probably paing the tank and side covers. Don't need to do it today. Thanks again, Sean

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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #984 on: February 09, 2013, 06:38:59 PM »
Sorry, one more question about paint scheme for F1.  Was the fuel tank door color matched to tank, or was it black? I have seen both. I just don't know what was the original scheme. Thanks again.

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« Reply #985 on: February 09, 2013, 06:59:39 PM »
75/76 was black

Speaking of the fuel door, does anyone have a spare lock or 2? I have 2 tanks that do not have one.

I'm still looking for a rear axle too.
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« Reply #986 on: February 09, 2013, 10:30:16 PM »
Paint question....I see photos of, and own, a 1976 F1 that has the side covers painted to match the tank and cowling. Most sites that have info on the various years show the side covers painted black. Anyone here know for sure what color they should be? My bike is Candy Antares Red. Thanks guys.

Here is a pic of one of mine with original paint.  I had a crack and after repairing it I painted it with a Duplicolor paint T169 Black that was a close match.  It's not really black more of a charcoal grey.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2013, 10:34:32 PM by srust58 »

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« Reply #987 on: February 10, 2013, 12:43:59 PM »
Thank you guys. I keep having one last question...when will it end? Fuel door, light bucket, frame all black. Side covers that phantom black or gray, right? Thanks again.

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« Reply #988 on: February 10, 2013, 01:29:48 PM »
Correct.

I just installed a NOS set of side covers. The color is actually called Phantom Black which is a flat charcoal grayish color. No shine, no clear.
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« Reply #989 on: February 11, 2013, 11:00:24 AM »
Your bike came out real nice Jerry, maybe sometime we'll hook up on a ride?

Now on to oil tank questions. Don't judge but I cut up my stock oil tank in an effort to use bits and pieces, which I didn't. I bought a tank kit from Bung King and welded up my own & I tried to recreate mine just like the old one. From what I saw on the stock tank there are three inlets, a return, a supply, and a connection for the breather under the stock battery box. My thinking, which I'm second guessing, was I could tap the cap on my new tank and run the breather from the back of the engine case into the oil tank. As I thought about this it occurred to me that this would not allow the outlet on the back of the case to breathe but just recycle the pressure back into the motor. I know oil sometimes comes out of the breather port on the back of the engine but I was now thinking of just putting a little filter on there, like they sell for the valve cover breather, thoughts anyone?
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« Reply #990 on: February 11, 2013, 11:42:56 AM »
Thanks! Hoping we can do some riding. One day maybe all the locals can get together. Gotta do all the final setups on mine.

Good question. I have not looked into the dynamics of that. I don't know about the routing on the pre-cannister bikes. Basically I see 2 'breather' lines - valve cover and engine case - which let off pressure. How much positive pressure? Do we how?? I don't see that you'd want to pressurize the oil tank especially with contaminants. Where does the case outlet go to on earlier bikes (assuming there is one)?

I know most of the time guys use a filter on the valve cover breather line. I still have my 'PCV' (as I'll call it) cannister hooked up. The top outlet is open now which I need to deal with so it won't spit residue out on my pretty powder coated engine as it's pointing forward to it's left. May be able to rotate it 180 degrees but haven't looked into that yet. This normally is routed to the top of the air cleaner on later bikes for air pollution reburn I'd assume. Therefore it's not a pressurized system but rather just a relief mechanism that attempts to reburn unburned hydrocarbons that are now spitting out miniscule amounts from the top of my cannister. Somewhere I have seen the small filter I'm thinking of and it has a chrome housing/mount. Anyone provide a link to that??
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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #991 on: February 11, 2013, 03:51:24 PM »
I had seen one on Cycle X like your saying, chrome filter with a little mount. I bought a regular UNI one from them, however it got a bit smashed in a battle for clearance with the throttle linkage. There is one on earlier bikes, I've got a early '70s engine in my garage right now ('70 or '71, haven't looked that close) and it has one off the back of the motor and one off the valve cover. However I do not know the history o the motor and it could have a much later valve cover but the engine case is authentic. I think I'll just order another one like I have on the valve cover and call it good, it's got to be better than pumping pressure and gook back into the oil.
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« Reply #992 on: February 11, 2013, 05:05:39 PM »
I know most of the time guys use a filter on the valve cover breather line. I still have my 'PCV' (as I'll call it) cannister hooked up. The top outlet is open now which I need to deal with so it won't spit residue out on my pretty powder coated engine as it's pointing forward to it's left. May be able to rotate it 180 degrees but haven't looked into that yet. This normally is routed to the top of the air cleaner on later bikes for air pollution reburn I'd assume. Therefore it's not a pressurized system but rather just a relief mechanism that attempts to reburn unburned hydrocarbons that are now spitting out miniscule amounts from the top of my cannister.

There seems to be a lot of mystery about the recirculation system, how it works and what it is for.  Folklore certainly doesn't do it justice and mostly applies negative connotations for its inclusion, which is simply as wrong a saying the earth is flat.
The device Jerry has called a PCV is really a water separator.  PCV would be a "Positive Crankcase Ventilation" device, which it does not do.
Autos have this, and it applies engine vacuum to the crankcase, but there is also an inlet feed to the crankcase to provide fresh air to it as well, therefore positive ventilation. 

The SOHC4 engine, does not have a fresh air supply to the crankcase.  So, there is no positive ventilation.  But, this is a good thing, explained later.
At the top of the CB750's air box is a fitting which provides two functions.  Function one is to supply a partial vacuum to the recirculator to power it's operation.  The second it to provide an exit path for accumulated vapors that the recirculator collects.

Why is there partial vacuum at the top of the 750 air box?  Because it is located in the path between the engine intake valve and the air box inlet.  The air box inlet is the first barrier to pressure equalization, so that is the first step toward the lower pressure at the intake valve.  The next step is the filter membrane, which provides yet another step toward the lower pressure at the intake valve.  The top fitting on the CB750 pressure wise, is between the filter and the carb inlet and the filter.  The amount of pressure drop varies with engine RPM and throttle position.  But, there exists some pressure differential at this point to operate the recirculator.

Having received a partial vacuum from the air box, the recirculator device then distributes this vacuum to the engine crankcase and the oil tank.  Why?  Again to recover vapors, push them toward the engine inlet, and allow the engine to burn them, but also to lower the pressure in the system to promote "boiling" off the water vapor within the crankcase and oil tank system.  The chocolate milk and/or brown mayo found in the system due to emulsified oil/water, is more easily extracted with both heat and lower pressures applied to it.  There is also a possible benefit of helping the rings draw down on the piston lands to seal the combustion chamber and reduce blow by gasses.  Some race engines actually add and use a vacuum pump to increase the ring seal effectiveness.

For the SOHC4 system to operate correctly, the recirculator should not have any open drain tubes to outside atmospheric pressure.  Even the lower water drain tube should be capped and/or severely restricted to incoming air flow, in order for the small vacuum present at the top of the air box to reach the crankcase and oil reservoir.

I hope this helps proper understanding.

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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #993 on: February 11, 2013, 05:34:58 PM »
I know most of the time guys use a filter on the valve cover breather line. I still have my 'PCV' (as I'll call it) cannister hooked up. The top outlet is open now which I need to deal with so it won't spit residue out on my pretty powder coated engine as it's pointing forward to it's left. May be able to rotate it 180 degrees but haven't looked into that yet. This normally is routed to the top of the air cleaner on later bikes for air pollution reburn I'd assume. Therefore it's not a pressurized system but rather just a relief mechanism that attempts to reburn unburned hydrocarbons that are now spitting out miniscule amounts from the top of my cannister.

There seems to be a lot of mystery about the recirculation system, how it works and what it is for.  Folklore certainly doesn't do it justice and mostly applies negative connotations for its inclusion, which is simply as wrong a saying the earth is flat.
The device Jerry has called a PCV is really a water separator.  PCV would be a "Positive Crankcase Ventilation" device, which it does not do.
Autos have this, and it applies engine vacuum to the crankcase, but there is also an inlet feed to the crankcase to provide fresh air to it as well, therefore positive ventilation. 

The SOHC4 engine, does not have a fresh air supply to the crankcase.  So, there is no positive ventilation.  But, this is a good thing, explained later.
At the top of the CB750's air box is a fitting which provides two functions.  Function one is to supply a partial vacuum to the recirculator to power it's operation.  The second it to provide an exit path for accumulated vapors that the recirculator collects.

Why is there partial vacuum at the top of the 750 air box?  Because it is located in the path between the engine intake valve and the air box inlet.  The air box inlet is the first barrier to pressure equalization, so that is the first step toward the lower pressure at the intake valve.  The next step is the filter membrane, which provides yet another step toward the lower pressure at the intake valve.  The top fitting on the CB750 pressure wise, is between the filter and the carb inlet and the filter.  The amount of pressure drop varies with engine RPM and throttle position.  But, there exists some pressure differential at this point to operate the recirculator.

Having received a partial vacuum from the air box, the recirculator device then distributes this vacuum to the engine crankcase and the oil tank.  Why?  Again to recover vapors, push them toward the engine inlet, and allow the engine to burn them, but also to lower the pressure in the system to promote "boiling" off the water vapor within the crankcase and oil tank system.  The chocolate milk and/or brown mayo found in the system due to emulsified oil/water, is more easily extracted with both heat and lower pressures applied to it.  There is also a possible benefit of helping the rings draw down on the piston lands to seal the combustion chamber and reduce blow by gasses.  Some race engines actually add and use a vacuum pump to increase the ring seal effectiveness.

For the SOHC4 system to operate correctly, the recirculator should not have any open drain tubes to outside atmospheric pressure.  Even the lower water drain tube should be capped and/or severely restricted to incoming air flow, in order for the small vacuum present at the top of the air box to reach the crankcase and oil reservoir.

I hope this helps proper understanding.

Cheers,

Makes sense. Used to run with the drain tube from the canister (from under the battery box) open to the atmosphere until seeing another similar post. The drain tube is now plugged and after every 500 miles or so removing the plug almost always releases seperated water. Running an uncapped drain would just keep recirculating the water vapor through the engine since vacuum would prevent the seperated water from settling in the drain tube. This would also provide a path for sand/dirt/grit/moisture to enter the system, especially if the foam filter in the canister has disintegrated.
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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #994 on: February 12, 2013, 04:48:14 AM »
Outstanding, and yes TT once again you have cleared up my understanding of how these machines work. I'm going with Madmtnmotors way, running a tube off of the lower vent and capping it and draining it every 500  miles or so. As for the upper vent, at this point I'll be capping that one off completely, if I understand you correctly TT. Thinking ahead, since I do not run a stock air box, would it be a good or bad idea to just shave off that vent on the valve cover and weld it up?
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« Reply #995 on: February 12, 2013, 10:20:30 AM »
As for the upper vent, at this point I'll be capping that one off completely, if I understand you correctly TT. Thinking ahead, since I do not run a stock air box, would it be a good or bad idea to just shave off that vent on the valve cover and weld it up?

NEITHER! Capping the vent will overheat the engine very, very quickly.

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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #996 on: February 12, 2013, 11:13:13 AM »
The crankcase vent should never be sealed off or capped up. (the capped tube goes on the water separator unit low point drain, the separator routes all crankcase and oil tank vapors to the engine intake system). Capping the vent lines would leave nowhere for the crankcase vapors or the pressure from piston blowby to go.  The risk is blowing out seals and gaskets from the pressure build up, particularly at higher RPMs when blowby is more prevalent.

The old and polluting way, is to simply vent all that stuff into lungs of nearby mammals and other oxygen users, ie. the atmosphere.  A filter does nothing beside keeping insects from crawling inside the engine, while still allowing pressure equalization.

I believe there is a vent on both the engine crankcase and the oil tank/reservoir.  Either connect them together with a T to your shiny add on filter, or leave it open to spew noxious vapors.  (Or, put a filter on each vent to keep the bugs out.)
Or, install a fitting onto one of your pods, so the engine can consume the crankcase and oil tank vapors when connected to that.  Of course, if the pods are the cheap individual style, only one cylinder will be fed the vapors.  This shouldn't matter with low time engines, but it may on worn engines.   

...But, if you have saved money on pods, you can apply that savings toward engine top end rebuilds!   ;D ;D

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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #997 on: February 12, 2013, 12:55:17 PM »
As usual TT has provided an outstanding explanation. I should have perhaps just used CV vs PCV. I did the non-engineer approach  ;) as it's a dual purpose thing and tried to use something we all are probably familiar with. Thanks for the help TT  :) Nothing is ideal and neither is the catch can/water separator as it still contains the water until you drain it, provided you do have the plug in the end. It is still possible for that stored water in the separator to vaporize and remain in circulation but at least some comes out of circulation.

One reason I plan on fitting a filter is that it will catch that minute liquid particulate matter that gets spit out so it doesn't soil the area around the end of whatever tubing I use.

Now if you boys want that discontinued drain tube that has dry rotted and hardened and cracked and/or fallen off look up and order this item:

  17335-323-000  TUBE ASSY., BREATHER  $6.37   

This is for all the other SOHC4's and it's slightly longer but works just fine after you trim it off. It does not come with a plug for the end which, by TT's excellent explanation, I will not need since my top hose will be connected to a filter that is open to the atmosphere. Hold your breathe as I ride by  ;)

And yes, I have pods. 2 reasons - they look cool and I am running CR31 carbs so the airbox can not be used.
« Last Edit: February 12, 2013, 12:57:11 PM by Jerry Rxman Griffin »
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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #998 on: February 12, 2013, 01:52:02 PM »
Alright, I think I've got a handle on this...if I had a dollar for every time I've said that the last few days!  :o :o :o

The water separator, like it's name says, allows the water to accumulate at one point while still feeding the gasses back into the engine to burn them off. Not a closed system, like my idea to cap a drain tube off the crankcase (bad). The valve cover vent at times has a small vacuum and others times not. Capping it of would again be bad, and no I'm not even going to acknowledge my idea to weld it up thank you.

There is no vent on my oil tank at this point, just a supply & return, but if need be a cap is made that is vented and I can correct that issue. Any thoughts on that aspect?

I'm going to stick with the little rubber, slightly smashed, UNI vent on the valve cover and pick another one up for the crankcase.

The pods are in a box on the shelf, didn't like them mostly because oiling them was a mess and a little more on one pod completely threw everything off. At this point I've got a new set of stock rubber velocity stacks on for tuning and am either going to stay with them, or get some aluminum ones, or pick up one of the Tintop setups (my favorite option).

Although I do have a new set of oval K&N's that actually fit the stock carbs and could also accommodate a small tube in each one to return said gasses back to which they came....but that work to benefit ratio sounds way off...never mind.
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Re: 750F thread?
« Reply #999 on: February 12, 2013, 03:13:44 PM »
The oil tank vent connects from the bottom of the oil tank (there's a tall tube inside) to the back of the crankcase. The oil tank is vented to the crankcase and the crankcase is vented to the seperator/air cleaner (stock) or to the atmosphere. The oil tank vent would also serve as an overflow, allowing excess oil to drain back to the crankcase, but this would be a result of too much oil to begin with....
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