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Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« on: November 14, 2005, 02:24:57 PM »
Since my bike is rattling a little, I figured I would adjust the cam chain tension. According to the Honda factory manual, on the K8 you let the bike idle, unscrew the locknut and bolt 1/2 turn, the chain will adjust itself, then screw it back on. Is it really as simple as it sounds, or did they omit some steps here?

Sorry if it's a stupid question, but it just sounds too easy to be true :)

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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2005, 03:55:05 PM »
Yeah Scout, hit the brakes on that one. Do not attempt a chain adjust with a running engine. Bad call on the book I believe.
Some theory so you can make up your own mind. An engine never runs smooth and consistent at each engine pulse. If you lock down the chain with it running, you might hit a pulse that snaps the chain onto the tensioner rod. Meaning, you might time the chain flex to the loose side. If you make a static adjust, you eliminate this altogether. Another book mistake (Imho) is to find a cylinder on the compression stroke and move the crank another 15 degrees. This theory being... that the cam lob is on an open valve spring and there is a possibility of the cam to "roll back" on the ramp. If you advance the crank an extra 15 degrees past TDC, you override the roll back.
Do this instead. Adjust the cam chain with a dead engine. Undo the adjuster locking nut (first), then loosen the bolt. Turn the crankshaft back just a few degrees. What you want to watch, is the adjuster pin inside the adjuster assembly. If you see the rod moving back as you load the crank in reverse running direction (CC), then the pin is not seized and you are good to go. Now simply turn the crank in it's running direction (C) a few degrees more than you turned it back. Never let up on the tension of the crank. What this does, is load the front rung of the whole chain. There is no way the cam can do it's "roll back"... because you took the slack out of the whole chain on the forward load. Hold the crank in place, then tighten the cam chain adjuster bolt. Lock down the nut, and start the engine. Does the engine sound quieter or is it still noisy?

If you put your bike in gear, take the rear wheel and load the chain in either direction. Try not to move the crank. Just load it enough to the point of the crank moving. Take your other hand and note how tight one rung is, and how loose the other side is? This is the same principal you are doing to the cam chain.
Now a drive chain has high spots as you know. The same will happen with cam chains. If the engine could use just a touch more quieting, then you may have to adjust the chain one more time. Simply turn the crank 180 degrees and adjust the cam tensioner as stated above. Did the noise diminish with this adjustment?

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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2005, 08:15:19 AM »
One thing to add that was touched a little. Check the tensioner. You can remove it with no trouble. Do so and clean it out. I thought I had adjusted mine a while back and nothing changed. checked it again and thought "I wonder if anything can get in there?". Well crud builds up in there quite well and can prevent the rod from moving. At least it is not too hard to clean out.

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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2005, 05:34:32 PM »
I'll second Eldar on that one.  Mine was so packed with old grey Iowa dirt that it wouldn't move until I cleaned it out.
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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2005, 07:55:48 PM »
Great, thanks guys as usual. Didn't even think about the tensioner, but I bet you are right, it's probably a bit dirty... will definately clean it.

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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2005, 03:03:08 AM »
If you email me direct i will send you a word document i did fror camchain tensioning
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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2005, 03:34:39 AM »
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If you email me direct i will send you a word document i did fror camchain tensioning

Maybe this is something worth putting in the FAQ's.
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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2005, 10:43:38 AM »
Hope that offer stands...I just emailed you...

Lord knows I could use whatever guidance is out there...

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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2005, 02:57:12 AM »
Bob, Harry had copies of all my documents quite a while ago but i must admit to not having checked if they were posted. It was also up on the old site.
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Re: Cam chain adjustment on the K8
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2005, 03:26:49 AM »
Ah, you're right, found two entries under the engine FAQ's.
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