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Where have all our Heros gone?
« on: July 18, 2009, 02:15:08 PM »
You're a 19 year old kid.
You're critically wounded and dying in the jungle in the Ia Drang Valley.

 November 11, 1965.
LZ X-ray, Vietnam.  


Your infantry unit is outnumbered 8-1 and the enemy fire is so intense, from 100 or 200 yards away,
that your own Infantry Commander has ordered the MediVac helicopters to stop coming in.


You're lying there, listening to the enemy machine guns and you know you're not getting out.
Your family is 1/2 way around the world, 12,000 miles away, and you'll never see them again.


As the world starts to fade in and out, you know this is the day.
  
Then - over the machine gun noise - you faintly hear that sound of a helicopter.
You look up to see an unarmed Huey.  But ... it doesn't seem real because no Medi-Vac markings are on it.  


Ed Freeman is coming for you.


He's not Medi-Vac so it's not his job, but he's flying his Huey down into the machine gun fire anyway.  


Even after the Medi-Vacs were ordered not to come.
   He's coming anyway.
 
And he drops it in and sits there in the machine gun fire, as they load 2 or 3 of you on board.
Then he flies you up and out through the gunfire to the doctors and nurses.


And, he kept coming back!! 13 more times!!


He took about 30 of you and your buddies out who would never have gotten out.



   Medal of Honor Recipient, Ed Freeman, died last August at the age of 80, in Boise , Idaho.
  
 May God Rest His Soul.


I bet you didn't hear about this hero's passing, but we've sure seen a whole bunch
about some white-gloved entertainers and other "stars" passing away.

Shame on the American media !!!

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ED W. FREEMAN

Captain, U.S. Army  Company A, 229th Assault Helicopter Battalion, 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile)
 
By the time the Korean War broke out, Ed Freeman was a master sergeant in the Army Engineers, but he fought in Korea as an infantryman.
He took part in the bloody battle of Pork Chop Hill and was given a battlefield commission, which had the added advantage of making him eligible to fly, a dream of his since childhood. But flight school turned him down because of his height: At six foot four, he was “too tall” (a nickname that followed him throughout his military career). In 1955, however, the height limit was raised, and Freeman was able to enroll.
 He began flying fixed-wing aircraft, then switched to helicopters. By 1965, when he was sent to Vietnam, he had thousands of hours’ flying time in choppers. He was assigned to the 1st Cavalry Division (Airmobile), second in command of a sixteen-helicopter unit responsible for carrying infantrymen into battle. On November 14, 1965, Freeman’s helicopters carried a battalion into the Ia Drang Valley for what became the first major confrontation between large forces of the American and North Vietnamese armies.
 Back at base, Freeman and the other pilots received word that the GIs they had dropped off were taking heavy casualties and running low on supplies. In fact, the fighting was so fierce that medevac helicopters refused to pick up the wounded. When the commander of the helicopter unit asked for volunteers to fly into the battle zone, Freeman alone stepped forward. He was joined by his commander, and the two of them began several hours of flights into the contested area. Because their small emergency-landing zone was just one hundred yards away from the heaviest fighting, their unarmed and lightly armored helicopters took several hits. In all, Freeman carried out fourteen separate rescue missions, bringing in water and ammunition to the besieged soldiers and taking back dozens of wounded, some of whom wouldn’t have survived if they hadn’t been evacuated.
 Freeman left Vietnam in 1966 and retired from the Army the following year. He flew helicopters another twenty years for the Department of the Interior, herding wild horses, fighting fires, and performing animal censuses. Then he retired altogether.
 In the aftermath of the Ia Drang battle, his commanding officer, wanting to recognize Freeman’s valor, proposed him for the Medal of Honor. But the two-year statute of limitations on these kinds of recommendations had passed, and no action was taken. Congress did away with that statute in 1995, and Freeman was finally awarded the medal by President George W. Bush on July 16, 2001.
 Freeman was back at the White House a few months later for the premiere of We Were Soldiers, a 2002 feature film that depicted his role in the Ia Drang battle. As he was filing out of the small White House theater, the president approached him, saluted, and shook his hand. “Good job, Too Tall,” he said.

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Re: Where have all our Heros gone?
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2009, 02:29:55 PM »
Sad to hear for sure. I've always been amazed at the courage it took those pilots to fly one of those things into hot LZ's. Hat off to all of them!
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2009, 02:51:29 PM »
Great story myhondas, a true hero indeed. My hat is off to you & Bob as well.

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2009, 03:05:49 PM »
Yes someone sent me that too and seeing as how I get so much rubbish emails I went and googled Ed Freeman and was amazed at the guys courage, a true hero.
I recently was browsing the "Abandoned thread" and seeing all those parked Russian helicopters sitting glowing in the fields around Chernoble I remembered the pilots who knowing the risks laid down their lives for most of Europe as the Nuclear power station leaked a radioactive cloud across that part of the world.
The rows of fire trucks sitting where their doomed drivers parked them then went to die, the empty firehouses where the trucks never returned, such a sad sight.
They count as hero's in my book too, seems hero's are made not born and come from every nation around the world.
Selfless acts where one risks their life for others needs to be recognised....hero's, we need many many more of them. :)
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2009, 03:08:26 PM »
Funny, I read about this just yesterday.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/freeman.asp
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Re: Where have all our Heros gone?
« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2009, 03:21:22 PM »
Hey our very own Bobby R was a chopper pilot in Vietnam, so if you're looking for a "hero", look no further!  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2009, 04:29:13 PM »
he saved many lives
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2009, 05:51:47 PM »
Yes, now I recall Bobby, hat off to you as well.  ;) In memory of those who flew and crewed them;

http://www.si.edu/opa/InsideResearch/articles/V9_Vietnam.html


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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2009, 09:31:26 PM »
How about this guy?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jun/19/briton-becomes-worlds-oldest-man
He died yesterday or today. From WW1! There are only a couple left now.

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Re: Where have all our Heros gone?
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2009, 10:01:06 PM »
Geez, myhondas,

You've got me choking back the tears.... and I should be happy.  A half hour ago I finished putting a new gas tank on my 750K4, along with a "new" reworked rear fender I banged on for a week to straighten out.... and all the bolts holes line up (miracle of miracles).

Yes, Hero Extraordinaire!!

As far as treatment of this remarkable man by the media, I am forced to remember the media's treatment of Audy Murphy and his death.  Life Magazine did an incredible 6 page or 8 page spread on a ridiculous costume party hosted by Truman Capote which was attended by all types of high society do wells.

On the last page of that Life Magazine mention was made in an insanely short news brief, that Audy Murphy, the most decorated American Soldier of WWII, had died.  And that was it!

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Re: Where have all our Heros gone?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 12:21:30 AM »
as someone who was born in 1965, and with very vague childhood memories of war reports on tv, i have to say people like ed freeman are giants among men who (bobby included) humble those of us who may never be tested so. hush, i recall similar stories of those who sealed their fate to deal with that mess and agree with your comments. "hero" is still thrown around a bit these days willy nilly;  these people define the word. 

all cut from a different cloth. no question.
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 05:53:23 AM »
For sure these pilots were more memorable than some movie stars that keep getting
publicity. I sometimes am amazed at the shallowness of the american media.
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 06:16:46 AM »
That's right, I heard nothing about Ed Freeman's passing, but I have sure heard alot about a white-gloved entertainer and other "stars" passing away.  I agree, shame on the American media, but no big surprise !!!

Tom Brokow's book called: The Greatest Generation was a tribute to them.  The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor. 

It is end of an era, and the memory of all those who contributed so much is fading and being eclipsed and replaced with the "revisionist" version of history.  Although it pains me to see all of them go at least they are being spared of the shock and disbelief of what has become of the country they knew and loved so dearly.  God bless them all.!!!


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Re: Where have all our Heros gone?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2009, 06:21:45 AM »
74cb750 it's all bloody media, not just yours, Canadian, English, Australian, Sinaporean etc they seem to pander to the perpetually stunned (bread & circuses crowd ?) by the way I'm not trying to leave out the rest of the worlds media, these are just the ones I check out every once in a while.
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2009, 11:46:05 AM »
Everyday I work I am thankful for the commitment that these men have made. The Pilots that fly the Stat-Medevac helicopters that I work with are mostly former military helicopter pilots, and some are still in reserves.

I always prefer the military pilots over the civilian trained pilots.

One particular pilot still lands on our hospital's roof sideways, low, and fast with the left sided door facing the landing zone. He said that is the way he landed in Vietnam with the 50cal machine guns on that side facing the LZ.
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2009, 12:47:31 PM »

The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor. 


Tell that to the current 20 (+) year old Iraq and Afghanistan veterans mate, and I think you might be in for an argument...............  ::)
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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2009, 01:15:32 PM »

The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor. 


Tell that to the current 20 (+) year old Iraq and Afghanistan veterans mate, and I think you might be in for an argument...............  ::)

agreed. also, i was just talking to my sister and in conversation on a similar theme i mentioned all the college students who, for spring break, chose to help in rebuild efforts, and other public service, after katrina over beer bong and std ravaged beach parties in cancun.

having said that i agree that much of society, of all age groups, are of the 'screw thy neighbor' mentality. the 'id' has in large part taken over our consciousness- with little social backlash.

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2009, 01:52:21 PM »
That battle was the setting for the move "We Were Soldiers" from the book "We Were Soldiers Once and Young".  He is portrayed well in the movie. 

I agree that most of my generation (I am 33) does not know the meaning of the word sacrifice.  When I was a soldier living in Iraq I hated it.  It was hot and I was tired and I felt like i was on guard or on patrol all the damn time.  But I kept a picture of my granddad taped above my cot.  It was just a picture of him in uniform back in WWII.  I would look at that picture and think of all the crap he went through (he told my grandmother that they stole sheets and blankets from locals to wrap around their feet because their boots wore through and they did not have replacements) and then I would man up and quit feeling sorry for myself.   The army is hard, but there is nothing going on today like they had in WWII.  Those men fought and lived in a way that I don't even want to imagine. 

Recently Medic posted that Darrell "Shifty" Powers who was portrayed on "Band Of Brothers" died and there was no mention of it on the news. 

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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2009, 07:43:07 PM »
I bomb around on digg and reddit a lot and so see a lot of things there that are not on mainstream media.

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2009, 10:25:38 PM »

The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor.  


Tell that to the current 20 (+) year old Iraq and Afghanistan veterans mate, and I think you might be in for an argument...............  ::)

That's right however Iraq and Afghanistan veterans don't make up the entire generation!  I am talking in the context of the mainstream generation, not the exception being miitary combatants.  
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« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2009, 03:38:06 AM »

The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor.  


Tell that to the current 20 (+) year old Iraq and Afghanistan veterans mate, and I think you might be in for an argument...............  ::)

That's right however Iraq and Afghanistan veterans don't make up the entire generation!  I am talking in the context of the mainstream generation, not the exception being miitary combatants.  

Yeah mate, but you're comparing modern day soldiers to guys a generation back who fought in Vietnam, probably the most unpopular conflict in the 20th century, that caused kids of that "much better behaved" generation to violently protest against our respective country's involvement, and spit on soldiers returning from that war, and call them "baby killers"? And they somehow had a better understanding of the words "sacrifice and honor"? Gimme a break.................... ::)
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« Reply #21 on: July 20, 2009, 03:59:21 AM »
I'm glad to have had an opportunity to learn a bit about Mr. Freeman's heroism.
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« Reply #22 on: July 20, 2009, 08:09:21 AM »

The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor.  


Tell that to the current 20 (+) year old Iraq and Afghanistan veterans mate, and I think you might be in for an argument...............  ::)

That's right however Iraq and Afghanistan veterans don't make up the entire generation!  I am talking in the context of the mainstream generation, not the exception being miitary combatants.  

Yeah mate, but you're comparing modern day soldiers to guys a generation back who fought in Vietnam, probably the most unpopular conflict in the 20th century, that caused kids of that "much better behaved" generation to violently protest against our respective country's involvement, and spit on soldiers returning from that war, and call them "baby killers"? And they somehow had a better understanding of the words "sacrifice and honor"? Gimme a break.................... ::)

You're comparing modern day soldiers to guys a generation back who fought in Vietnam, not me.  And the medias focus on the "radical elements" of that time now speaks for an entire generation, 'eh.  No one I knew ever spit on soldiers or called them "baby killers."  It's true, there are ALWAYS fringe elements, however to suggest that "one element" represents the behavior of an entire generation is a really comprehensive analysis allright.  Gimme a break.................... ::)

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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2009, 03:18:51 AM »

The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor.  


Tell that to the current 20 (+) year old Iraq and Afghanistan veterans mate, and I think you might be in for an argument...............  ::)

That's right however Iraq and Afghanistan veterans don't make up the entire generation!  I am talking in the context of the mainstream generation, not the exception being miitary combatants.  

Yeah mate, but you're comparing modern day soldiers to guys a generation back who fought in Vietnam, probably the most unpopular conflict in the 20th century, that caused kids of that "much better behaved" generation to violently protest against our respective country's involvement, and spit on soldiers returning from that war, and call them "baby killers"? And they somehow had a better understanding of the words "sacrifice and honor"? Gimme a break.................... ::)

You're comparing modern day soldiers to guys a generation back who fought in Vietnam, not me.  And the medias focus on the "radical elements" of that time now speaks for an entire generation, 'eh.  No one I knew ever spit on soldiers or called them "baby killers."  It's true, there are ALWAYS fringe elements, however to suggest that "one element" represents the behavior of an entire generation is a really comprehensive analysis allright.  Gimme a break.................... ::)



This story is about a hero from the Vietnam conflict, so I would have thought that considering your original remark, the comparison was reasonable?

You made the wide, sweeping statement that "The current generation knows nothing about the meaning of the words Sacrifice and Honor", so what is it, is the WHOLE current generation at fault including 20+ year old soldiers fighting their own Vietnam in Iraq or Afghanistan, or just "one element"?

While the current conflict in the Middle East is losing popularity fast, I don't hear anyone running down the younger generation who are doing their duty there, except perhaps, you?  ::)     
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