Topic: Health Care in England Question

[HavocTurbo]

I really don't like this statement...

Since 1999, premiums have gone up 131 percent, while workers' wages have gone up 38 percent, the survey said.

[Inigo Montoya]

Damn and we almost had this one off the first page.

[edbikerii]

This one should be at the very top of the first page until the horrendous bill is defeated.  Healthcare "reform" represents the most dramatic increase in government power that has ever occurred in the history of the United States of America.

Damn and we almost had this one off the first page.

[BobbyR]

This one should be at the very top of the first page until the horrendous bill is defeated.  Healthcare "reform" represents the most dramatic increase in government power that has ever occurred in the history of the United States of America.

Damn and we almost had this one off the first page.

Ed may keep this going longer than the Babe Thraed which was 2 years old August 17.

[HavocTurbo]

This one should be at the very top of the first page until the horrendous bill is defeated.  Healthcare "reform" represents the most dramatic increase in government power that has ever occurred in the history of the United States of America.

Damn and we almost had this one off the first page.

What about the new deal?

[edbikerii]

Or the new New Deal under Johnson.  Still can't compare to healthcare for 300 Million Americans.  In fact, I think this is the largest power grab in the history of the world.

This one should be at the very top of the first page until the horrendous bill is defeated.  Healthcare "reform" represents the most dramatic increase in government power that has ever occurred in the history of the United States of America.

Damn and we almost had this one off the first page.

What about the new deal?

[masonryman]

This one should be at the very top of the first page until the horrendous bill is defeated.  Healthcare "reform" represents the most dramatic increase in government power that has ever occurred in the history of the United States of America.

Damn and we almost had this one off the first page.

Ed may keep this going longer than the Babe Thraed which was 2 years old August 17.

congratulations Bobby.... tell your baby happy birthday

[HavocTurbo]

Hey Ed... I want to provide you with health care. But instead of calling it Medicare (which you already pay for no matter how much you #$%*) I'm going to call it Health Service. Sure it may cost a percent or two more.... But you will never have to spend $150k on a broken neck ever again. EVER!

Excuse me for being the power hungry greedy bastard that I am. 

What's the difference what we call it? Free health care? Medicare? NHS? Socialism?

I give back to my community as much as I can. Which is probably why I don't make anywhere near the amount of money you do. I never tried to earn that much. It just isn't that important.

Am I not worthy of my country protecting me when I get sick? Are you?

You spend countless dollars every year to pay for insurance. What does it get you? A monkey on your back telling you that your money is great but you cannot use it here... or there.... or for this... or that. So why pay Ed? WHY? Because you value your life or are you too scared to admit that after all these years you are embarassed that you let them get away with so much highway robbery.

No other industry has fleeced the american populace in the name of good business. You cannot use Government either Ed.... I'm not that stupid.

Honestly... I think you should get your money back Ed. I think everyone should. It's a #$%*ty way of doing business and it seems that they are the only ones who can get away with it right in front of our eyes. We actually thank them for it.

I don't ever want you to have to worry about your health again. Or how much it is going to cost. You shouldn't have to.

Or the new New Deal under Johnson.  Still can't compare to healthcare for 300 Million Americans.  In fact, I think this is the largest power grab in the history of the world.

[edbikerii]

Are you joking, HT?  If I break my neck, I pay my $25 co-pay, plus $25/month for my meds, because that's what I agreed to when I signed my contract with my health insurance company.  My insurance even pays my premiums if I cannot work, so I won't lose my insurance.  Nearly 90% of Americans have the same or similar insurance.  Why in the world would they want to give that up to be replaced by a bunch of "what-if" questions and guaranteed tax increases permanently.  Not to mention the loss of any privacy and absolute government control over the most important details of our lives.

All this crap about medical bills is just that - crap.

If you think health insurance is too expensive, just wait until you pay for ObamaCare.  You think you won't be paying because you don't earn much?  Surprise!  Obama is already talking about raising taxes on those that earn as little as $40K per year.  I've posted those links, too.  Plus, he's trying desperately to eliminate all kinds of tax breaks that EVERYONE gets in order to pay for this debacle bill.

All of that, of course, is notwithstanding the fact that government-run care will never be as good.  I've posted probably 20 articles ranging from BBC news items to links on one of NHS's many web-sites that prove that existing government-run systems have many issues, including rationing of care for needy patients, and long waits for time-critical tests.

Then get ready for Big Brother to scrutinize every aspect of your life under the guise of "what's best for the majority".  You like big government?  Then by all means enjoy ObamaCare, because that is just the start of it.

Hey Ed... I want to provide you with health care. But instead of calling it Medicare (which you already pay for no matter how much you #$%*) I'm going to call it Health Service. Sure it may cost a percent or two more.... But you will never have to spend $150k on a broken neck ever again. EVER!

Excuse me for being the power hungry greedy bastard that I am. 

What's the difference what we call it? Free health care? Medicare? NHS? Socialism?

I give back to my community as much as I can. Which is probably why I don't make anywhere near the amount of money you do. I never tried to earn that much. It just isn't that important.

Am I not worthy of my country protecting me when I get sick? Are you?

You spend countless dollars every year to pay for insurance. What does it get you? A monkey on your back telling you that your money is great but you cannot use it here... or there.... or for this... or that. So why pay Ed? WHY? Because you value your life or are you too scared to admit that after all these years you are embarassed that you let them get away with so much highway robbery.

No other industry has fleeced the american populace in the name of good business. You cannot use Government either Ed.... I'm not that stupid.

Honestly... I think you should get your money back Ed. I think everyone should. It's a #$%*ty way of doing business and it seems that they are the only ones who can get away with it right in front of our eyes. We actually thank them for it.

I don't ever want you to have to worry about your health again. Or how much it is going to cost. You shouldn't have to.

Or the new New Deal under Johnson.  Still can't compare to healthcare for 300 Million Americans.  In fact, I think this is the largest power grab in the history of the world.

[Duke McDukiedook]

Or the new New Deal under Johnson.  Still can't compare to healthcare for 300 Million Americans.  In fact, I think this is the largest power grab in the history of the world.

This one should be at the very top of the first page until the horrendous bill is defeated.  Healthcare "reform" represents the most dramatic increase in government power that has ever occurred in the history of the United States of America.

Damn and we almost had this one off the first page.

What about the new deal?

Homeland Un-Security?

[masonryman]

ED
" I pay my $25 co-pay, plus $25/month for my meds, because that's what I agreed to when I signed my contract with my health insurance company.  My insurance even pays my premiums if I cannot work, so I won't lose my insurance.  Nearly 90% of Americans have the same or similar insurance."

This is one of the most ridiculously insulting things I have read on this forum.

[edbikerii]

I've posted the link to the Gallup poll a million times already.  87% of Americans are happy with their insurance as it is.  We're spending all this energy, time and money to satisfy the other 13%?  No, this is a power-grab by the socialists->communists->fascists, plain as day.

ED
" I pay my $25 co-pay, plus $25/month for my meds, because that's what I agreed to when I signed my contract with my health insurance company.  My insurance even pays my premiums if I cannot work, so I won't lose my insurance.  Nearly 90% of Americans have the same or similar insurance."

This is one of the most ridiculously insulting things I have read on this forum.

[edbikerii]

"Obama Supports Extending Patriot Act Provisions"

Associated Press

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_patriot_act

[Duke McDukiedook]

Yeah, there is some pretty insidious stuff lurking in the UN-Patriot Act I & II.

And our current puppet-clown *cough* I mean president ain't ever gonna touch the Patriot Acts.

[edbikerii]

Just for clarity, the Patriot Act had EXPIRATION CLAUSES where the powers that the congress granted the government would disappear.  Obama is now saying that he will extend them (see link I posted above).

Yeah, there is some pretty insidious stuff lurking in the UN-Patriot Act I & II.

And our current puppet-clown *cough* I mean president ain't ever gonna touch the Patriot Acts.

[Duke McDukiedook]

They already were extended before Obama, he'll just be extending them once again if he does (which he will, he knows who really got him his office).

[masonryman]

well Gallup never polled me but But the medical world does every day.

 I don't know 1 person that has the insurance you just quoted, I would bet the $12.85 worth of beni's I pay every hour I work that 87% of the US population is not insured.

They must only poll the people that work in A/C above the 10 tenth floor

[masonryman]

if 87% has the insurance you just mentioned that would be around 261,000,000 people, do really believe that many people in the US are covered to that extent?

[Inigo Montoya]

Did you all know obama authorized an attack in somalia on a known al-quida link? It was not a missile strike either. A couple of choppers when in and blasted the hell out of them and then retrieved the body for verification.

[BobbyR]

I've posted the link to the Gallup poll a million times already.  87% of Americans are happy with their insurance as it is.  We're spending all this energy, time and money to satisfy the other 13%?  No, this is a power-grab by the socialists->communists->fascists, plain as day.

Fresh Green Grass>Pure Mountain Water>Gastric Juices, Bulls1t plain and simple.

[HavocTurbo]

I love it when you get all riled up Ed. You start spouting all kinds of crazy facts my little brain cannot understand.

So... I'm going to ask it. Plain and simple. Since no one has done it yet.

I'm calling you out.

What do you do? For whom? Who's your insurance carrier? Mind copying the pages in your contract where it says all of those things? My whole #$%*ing family are lawyers.. I'll even send you a fax number.

I want proof. No line of crap. I'm discreet. I'll tell no one anything about your personal life. I want to know.

Avoid me? Go ahead. I've got all the time in the world.. at least until my "wonderful thing called insurance companies" try to screw me over. PM me.... Send me an email. Ask for my phone number so you can call me. I won't stop until I get some answers. If you've got it so good then I need to get this for my parents.

I was half joking yes. But I really do want to you get your money back. You are being screwed over. We all are. Government run or not YOU are getting screwed.

Are you joking, HT?  If I break my neck, I pay my $25 co-pay, plus $25/month for my meds, because that's what I agreed to when I signed my contract with my health insurance company.  My insurance even pays my premiums if I cannot work, so I won't lose my insurance.  Nearly 90% of Americans have the same or similar insurance.  Why in the world would they want to give that up to be replaced by a bunch of "what-if" questions and guaranteed tax increases permanently.  Not to mention the loss of any privacy and absolute government control over the most important details of our lives.

All this crap about medical bills is just that - crap.

If you think health insurance is too expensive, just wait until you pay for ObamaCare.  You think you won't be paying because you don't earn much?  Surprise!  Obama is already talking about raising taxes on those that earn as little as $40K per year.  I've posted those links, too.  Plus, he's trying desperately to eliminate all kinds of tax breaks that EVERYONE gets in order to pay for this debacle bill.

All of that, of course, is notwithstanding the fact that government-run care will never be as good.  I've posted probably 20 articles ranging from BBC news items to links on one of NHS's many web-sites that prove that existing government-run systems have many issues, including rationing of care for needy patients, and long waits for time-critical tests.

Then get ready for Big Brother to scrutinize every aspect of your life under the guise of "what's best for the majority".  You like big government?  Then by all means enjoy ObamaCare, because that is just the start of it.

[demon78]

Good for you HT, if it had been me calling him out I would have been a commie-facist-nazi dupe from not the greatest country in the world.
Bill the demon.
PS crazy facts, I think it's his beanie slipping.

[edbikerii]

HT, I already have your contact info from the last time you got all "riled up", remember?

No, I'm not going to post any personal information on the internet or send it to a complete stranger (with some crazy tendencies, I might add).

I work in financial services IT.  My company offers several choices in health care plans.  I have already posted healthcare quotes in this thread, specifically for you, HT.  All of the plan details were listed, including the premiums, the co-pays and the deductible.  Just go look back in this thread.  When you pay your premium, you will receive a contract that you can sign.

I chose United Healthcare www.uhc.com, and I have used them for many years.  I have tested this insurance with two children, a family full of regular checkups, and a VERY COSTLY major illness.  I will not get into details on my private life on the Internet, but I will say that I am very thankful to have access to such a wonderful healthcare system, and to have been served by United Healthcare.  They came through with shining colors when I needed them.  They did not deny a single procedure that my doctors recommended.  I never once received a bill from a doctor that wasn't straightened out by faxing over a copy of my insurance card.

I have never heard of a single credible case where a reputable insurance company failed to pay legitimate bills as contractually obligated.

Surely, I'm going to hear about how heartless I am because I'm "taken care of", but "what about everybody else?"  Well, once again, 87% of Americans are happy with this system.  Frankly, I'm more concerned about them than the other 13%.

I love it when you get all riled up Ed. You start spouting all kinds of crazy facts my little brain cannot understand.

So... I'm going to ask it. Plain and simple. Since no one has done it yet.

I'm calling you out.

What do you do? For whom? Who's your insurance carrier? Mind copying the pages in your contract where it says all of those things? My whole #$%*ing family are lawyers.. I'll even send you a fax number.

I want proof. No line of crap. I'm discreet. I'll tell no one anything about your personal life. I want to know.

Avoid me? Go ahead. I've got all the time in the world.. at least until my "wonderful thing called insurance companies" try to screw me over. PM me.... Send me an email. Ask for my phone number so you can call me. I won't stop until I get some answers. If you've got it so good then I need to get this for my parents.

I was half joking yes. But I really do want to you get your money back. You are being screwed over. We all are. Government run or not YOU are getting screwed.

Are you joking, HT?  If I break my neck, I pay my $25 co-pay, plus $25/month for my meds, because that's what I agreed to when I signed my contract with my health insurance company.  My insurance even pays my premiums if I cannot work, so I won't lose my insurance.  Nearly 90% of Americans have the same or similar insurance.  Why in the world would they want to give that up to be replaced by a bunch of "what-if" questions and guaranteed tax increases permanently.  Not to mention the loss of any privacy and absolute government control over the most important details of our lives.

All this crap about medical bills is just that - crap.

If you think health insurance is too expensive, just wait until you pay for ObamaCare.  You think you won't be paying because you don't earn much?  Surprise!  Obama is already talking about raising taxes on those that earn as little as $40K per year.  I've posted those links, too.  Plus, he's trying desperately to eliminate all kinds of tax breaks that EVERYONE gets in order to pay for this debacle bill.

All of that, of course, is notwithstanding the fact that government-run care will never be as good.  I've posted probably 20 articles ranging from BBC news items to links on one of NHS's many web-sites that prove that existing government-run systems have many issues, including rationing of care for needy patients, and long waits for time-critical tests.

Then get ready for Big Brother to scrutinize every aspect of your life under the guise of "what's best for the majority".  You like big government?  Then by all means enjoy ObamaCare, because that is just the start of it.

[masonryman]

I have United health care, quarterly payments are $2400.00 that is 2 hundred per week the average person in my group pays $6.35 an hour worked

in network deductible......$600,
out of network deductible ....$1200.00
max out of pocket, in net work $5000.00, out net work $10,000.00

It cost me $375.00 out of pocket for my daughters to get their sports/school physicals, and I am still paying on the gymnastics ending back injury from 2 years ago,the older daughter had a stress fracture in L-1 and L2, the only therapist with in driving distance was out of network

So ed you can live in your ivory tower and eat peaches and cream for 3 meals a day, but don't try to tell me I have chicken salad when it is really chicken #$%*.

And.. I am glad for those of you who get to keep your insurance when you retire, or are capabable of working till you are 65 or 67 till mediacare kicks in, but most in my world don't make it that long and then you are just with out. With out income and with out ins.

[Cvillechopper]

the only therapist with in driving distance was out of network

Most insurances have a clause in them that allows use of an out-of-network therapist if you can demonstrate that they do not have coverage in your area.  It's usually in the fine print and the distance will be spelled out.  They won't look into that unless you bring it up but it's worth checking into.  You might be able to have them reimburse you for payments they should have made.  Just an idea.