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Offline BlackMax

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Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« on: July 24, 2009, 01:31:12 PM »
as posted before, my problem was low power under throttle, caused by 1 and 4 dropping off. I could clean off the plugs (all wet and fouled), put them back in, and it was ok for a minute or two.  Then, the same problem would show up.    Was it carb?  Was it spark?  Was it timing?   I was (and still am) frustrated as heck.   Blah blah blah...... you know the story.

Here's what I found today!  I maybe have looking in the wrong place, because I  checked for spark, at the plug, found it to be present, and moved on to air/fuel.  Originally, I would ground the plugs from the offending cylinders, crank the motor, and watch them spark.  So, I figured all was well, and kept searching elsewhere.     TODAY, I tested the GOOD cylinders by sticking a screwdriver into the boot and holding the shaft maybe 1/8 from a grounded bolt.  Result- thick blue spark that you can hear (crack crack crack).   Then, I did the same thing with the wires from the "bad" cylinders.   Result- very very thin little whispy spark.  The differnce between the size of the spark from the "good" and the "bad" cylinders is very significant. Maybe like comparing a high E string to a low E string on a guitar.

BUT, I had the coil for that side tested.  The guy showed me a spark jumping like 1/2 on the tester.  He immediately told me "no problem with this coil".    ??   What could be causing this weak spark issue (the points are gapped at .38 so I don't see them as contributing).  I have also clipped the wires back 1/2" and re-screwed the boots in.   I think the connection is fine.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2009, 03:42:28 PM by BlackMax »
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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 01:39:53 PM »
Is that .38 mm or .38 inches? 

Maybe check the blue wire to make sure there are no pinches and that all connectors are shiny clean and tight.  Your coils are only 4 or 5 ohms, so even a small fault in the points/wire will sap current.
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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 02:04:27 PM »
The Black/wht is power to the coils.
The Blue wire provides gnd to the coil whenever the points are closed.
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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 02:14:06 PM »
The Black/wht is power to the coils.
The Blue wire provides gnd to the coil whenever the points are closed.

I screwed something up.  Not sure what I saw, but it seems right now.

Black is 12/13 volts input to both coils with the key on.   Blue and Yellow read 0 at the coil wit the points open or closed.    Blue and Yellow read 13v at the CONDENSER with the points open.

That correct?   
« Last Edit: July 24, 2009, 02:30:34 PM by BlackMax »
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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 02:20:38 PM »
If your points are open, the blue or yellow wire will have 12V.

It does sound like your blue wire has a problem.  Check it carefully and physically where it passes through the case at the point s cover.



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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 02:38:10 PM »
sorry for screwing this up.. ::)

Bottom line:

Both BLACKS TO the coil:  13v (always hot)
BLUE and YELLOW FROM the coil: 13v

GREEN at the condenser: 13v points OPEN  (0 when closed)
YELLOW at the condenser:  13v points OPEN  (0 when closed)

Sounds correct?    If so, weak spark at the plug at cylinders 1 and 4 can only be 1.4 coil, wire or boot.  But since its both 1 and 4, at all times.....the only common element is the coil (which is supposedly "good")... What else is there?   It's just not that complex. The coil MUST be the culprit, as far as I can figure.
« Last Edit: July 24, 2009, 03:01:51 PM by BlackMax »
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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 03:49:05 PM »
swap your coils and see if the problem shifts
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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 05:43:15 PM »
Actually, I was going to suggest you swap you condensers to see if the problem moves with them.
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Re: Coming Into Focus! WEAK SPARK in 2 cylinders?
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 05:54:12 PM »
Disconnected and reconnected all the wires.  Now there is a solid spark x4.   Cleaned the plugs and fired it up.  Ran it on the stand for 7 minutes or so. Fairly smooth idle, with maybe a miss here and there on #4.    All seemed ok....with no load.

We'll see how long it lasts and how it drives on Saturday.  Any more trouble and I'll just buy some new carbs. 
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