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Re: A question for our members overseas.
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2009, 05:34:04 AM »
my wife's half polish, and she is lay-zeee.....
must be the Italian half. heh ;D
everything I say is pure speculation and
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Re: A question for our members overseas.
« Reply #51 on: August 03, 2009, 05:50:51 AM »
I want to live in a country where greed isn't what drives the economy.
I just want to ride to work, do something I love,and get a good education for my kids, and I don't mind paying taxes.  
   And I want an itemized checklist of what my taxes are paying for, without excluded items.
(like paying the inflating full salary of retired govt. types)
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Re: A question for our members overseas.
« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2009, 05:57:35 AM »
at one point i was thinking of re-locating to the UK (Glasgow area) i had an offer of a good job, and a place to live. when i found out that one of my favourite activities was banned (pistol shooting) i chsnged my mind. the USA might have a few warts on her backside but there are still lots of places where you can live the way you want and not be hassled about it. those places are harder to find these days but isnt it worth a look?
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Re: A question for our members overseas.
« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2009, 07:58:18 AM »
The famous Dutch Tolerance is a great myth. I had a Turkish guy working with me. Not the brightest candle on the cake but boy could the guy work!! 5 days at the factory then Sat & Sunday he manned his family's market stall selling spices, olive oil and many Turkish delicacies. Well the dutch guys would continiously ask him when he was gonna eff off back to Turkey!! Openly, with a big smile on their smug stupid faces as if it was the joke of the century. I too was subjected to several anti immigrant taunts, but having been born with a big mouth and having developed a sharp tongue along the way, I fortunately could put them in their place most of the time.
The comment about great food made me laugh too. What? French fries with mayonnaise??
The Inuit have about 20+ words for snow, the dutch have 5 words for johnny foreigner!!

Rant over.
Ahem, so maybe you suggest that UK is tolerant? Just check you r newspapers and articles about Polish immigrants now.

Lets face it - WHEREVER you would go outside of your homeland, sooner or later they will call you "f'king immigrant" or something close to that, and it won;t be friendly. That's the human nature.
I think that Caveman just longs for a bit of adventure, for "something else"  and then, since he says that English is not an limiting factor, then there are so many places to go and live...
And people will be fine, as long as you are decent too. Simple as that.

As per "socialism" n Europe versus "freedom" in US - well, let's put it that way - in Europe some nations decided that money and/or personal wealth is not the top thing in their lives, so they set up their countries accordingly. In US, from my humble observations, the pressure "TO HAVE" is about 300% more than it is in Europe, where many people prefer "TO BE" attitude.
Yes, they pay more taxes, but they don't need to fret every evening if they will be fired, or if they will have good enough treatment in hospital without additional costs. yes, they will have more expensive fuel, but in the long shot it is a personal question what do you want for yourself - cheaper car with cheaper gasoline and nerves and "rat race" all the time, or the proverbial nissan micra 1.0 and a glass of cheap (albeit good) wine in the evening without worry about your retirement.

Everything is a matter of choice. It is good, when it is informed and conscious choice, though.
This is more true than not. The US is a very young country compared to Europe. The biggest growth really only started about 100-150 years ago. There was tremendous immigration and the building of the current NY and the other major cities took place over that time. There was a sense of urgency to build and accumulate wealth. Only the desperate or the bold would get on a leaky boat to come over here. Very pragmatic and hungry group as a whole.
During that frenzy there was little thought to what Burber said is the European attitude. The US has not had the time to evolve that Europe has had. We are only a couple of generations removed from the wave of peasants.
If Caveman wants to find another place to live and try it out, I say go and do it. You can always come back. If he finds peace and happiness in some other Country, no harm in that at all.
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Re: A question for our members overseas.
« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2009, 01:02:41 PM »
at one point i was thinking of re-locating to the UK (Glasgow area) i had an offer of a good job, and a place to live. when i found out that one of my favourite activities was banned (pistol shooting) i chsnged my mind....................

That's curious, I thought just about every activity under the sun occured in Glasgow; from head-butting (the famous Glasgow Kiss) to blowing up the airport. And no-one so much as blinks. :D :D

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Re: A question for our members overseas.
« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2009, 11:15:04 PM »
Not at all, mate. I'm not suggesting any such thing. Britain has never been a welcoming nation. We fought the Saxons, Romans, Vikings, Normans and so on when they came in their thousands.
But we do call a spade a spade, unlike some nations that profer an image of 'welcomers' when in actual fact they're not. That's sheer hypocrisy.
Wanna see you guys when ½ million+ Belorussians pitch up on your front doorstep. For whatever reason.
Having said that, I have spoken to a couple of small businessmen, farmers and the like who have said that they would never employ another englishman again, after having experienced the honesty and sheer hard graft of the Poles.
Maybe that's what caused the animosity........you work too hard.
OK, I totally agree.
Now, the hard working Poles..... Just to clear something - in every country when you have a wave of emigration those who leave the country are usually the most industrious ones, who want to take matters in their own hands. There's always a bit of riff-raff too, human nature.
Of course there's the salary factor too. When they now what they are working for, the will is there. But once they will get used to it, they will melt into the society. Their kids most probably won't go to church..  ;)

Back to topic - I did few years (few too many) on cruise ships, and been repeatedly in many countries, repeatedly enough to establish friends and learn languages, and finally I'm coming to realize that apart of climatic zone (which may be important to some, i.e. my wife  ;D) and some I say, insignificant differences, it's all the same. That is, you must work, you must pay taxes, you must buy food, and from time to time you must visit the toilet. Regardless where you live. The biggest difference would be people around, but then again, people as a whole are OK, except the always present #$%* and jerk, but those are minorities.
Hence I won't move from my place. I can go for year or so, but to live longterm? Nah, thanks, I'm OK here  ;D
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