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tattdadd

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A couple of carb questions
« on: August 04, 2009, 10:59:00 AM »
I have a 1976 cb750k.  If at wot the bike spits and sputters than I roll back off the throttle it picks up, is that to rich or to lean?  Next question is since the middle two cylinders run leaner is it ok to run larger main jets in the center, or should all the main jets be the same?  Same question for the needle clip position, can the middle two be set richer or should all the needle be in the same position?  Thanks!

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Re: A couple of carb questions
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2009, 11:39:09 AM »
What do the spark plug deposits tell you?
http://www.dansmc.com/Spark_Plugs/Spark_Plugs_catalog.html

Your supposition that the inner cylinders normally run leaner is false.
All carbs should be set up for the same metering parameters.  That is, if you want all the cylinders to perform equally.
Making carb metering adjustments to compensate for some discrepancy/malfunction is not a good practice, IMO.  ...unless you're the mechanic for Mad Max.

We will need to know how your bike deviates from stock configuration, Exhaust, induction, etc. in order to speculate why the stock adjustments may no longer be appropriate.
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tattdadd

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Re: A couple of carb questions
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2009, 01:30:07 PM »
I am running pod filters and drag pipes.  I have read many of the threads regarding pod filters and realize some of the effects.  As far as plug color the outer two are a dark brown and the inner two are tan.  My main jets are 125 and my needles are one clip up from the bottom.  Stock slow jets.  The outer air screws are one turn out and the inner two are a 1/2 turn out.  The compression is pretty equal across all cylinders, timing is set, and valve clearance is good.

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Re: A couple of carb questions
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 01:55:47 PM »
The inner and outer cylinders are on coil boundaries.  Have you looked a spark quality differences inner to outer cylinders.  If you swap condensers on the points, do the symptoms follow the condensers?  What about carb vacuum sync?  Are the pods oiled... equally?  Is the timing correct for both point sets?  Have you checked the carb coupler boots for leakage?

The slide needles dominate at a different throttle position than the mains.  So, a general spark deposit condition would average these two contributors and be highly sensitive to the time spent at each setting.  Standard isolation technique is a "plug chop", where you see the deposits left after operation at a single throttle position.  (slides are direct coupled to the twist grip, RPM is reactive.)  Have you put in clean plugs and done a WOT plug chop?

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As far as plug color the outer two are a dark brown and the inner two are tan.  .... The outer air screws are one turn out and the inner two are a 1/2 turn out.
The pilot adjust screws don't contribute much at mid and WOT.  They are mostly and idle balance.

Are there any bike alterations that could effect the air pressure/volume that reaches each carb throat entrance or bowl vent?

Are your jets drilled or as they come from the factory?  Are they Honda manufactured?

Can we be assured the carbs are clean and all the air jet passageways and emulsion tubes are free to flow fully?
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