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750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« on: December 02, 2005, 03:38:50 PM »
Has anybody got a guide as to the different tachos that were fited to the 750s and which models? There seems to be a multitude of types, including

Sandcast ones with 8500 red line & two warning lights built in (or 8000 red line?)
K-series ones with no warning lights & retained by a chrome band
F-series (I think) ones with green face and chrome dish base
F-series ones with dark bluey-black face and chrome dish base

Feel free to fill in the gaps & correct my misunderstandings!






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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2005, 06:29:33 PM »
From the info I have, the "Sandcast" or K0 Tachometers had the warning lights inside them and the redline was at 8500 RPM. Also, the lenses were plastic, along with the upper housing. They mounted to the bike with a chrome retaining ring.

The K1 tachs had the redline lowered to 8000 RPM. The lenses were changed to glass to be resistant to brake fluid. The cases were painted flat black. The indicator lights were still in the tach/speedometer.

From K2-K8 The tach was mounted to the bike via two studs to the upper triple clamp and the warning lights were moved to the handlebar clamp. I think somewhere along the line the gauge faces went from black to dark green, not sure of the model which this happened...

I don't know about the F series bikes, sorry.
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2005, 07:54:39 PM »
Does anyone know why Honda lowered the redline? ???

Also, I recall reading somethnig about K0s having hotter cams than later 750s.  What's the deal on that?  The power output supposedly remained the same...right?  :-X

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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2005, 11:00:15 PM »
my k8 has a red line of 8500    ;D

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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2005, 11:22:00 PM »
G/Day Tim. The Australian F2s have a redline segment between 9500 and 10500 and a full scale of 11000. The faces are mid/dark blue with a black metal surround. The unit is rubber mounted to a chrome base. Pat form Aust.
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2005, 01:21:39 AM »
Tim,
My UK 76 F1, has green face, white letters, black and chrome surround, red line 8k-9250k, max 11k(engine in bits, walk home!) Speedo is in mph. Assuming that the dials on mine are original of course!
Now, what about the keys for your bike? How many and what do they do?
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2005, 04:48:47 AM »
k1 has idiot lites in the faces too,not sure of redline
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2005, 04:56:12 AM »
If the guys on this site can't work this out, no-one can!

If I start a thread "Show us a photo of your guages" would anyone reply?
I could then post a set of pics in the FAQs.

Reason I ask is I tried this with Oil Filters and only got 3 pics!
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2005, 04:57:21 AM »
I can provide pics of K0 gauges.
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2005, 06:09:26 AM »
I can provide F1 gauge pics.
I suppose people can only get  a pic of their filter when they are changing it?

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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2005, 01:57:40 PM »
Does anyone know why Honda lowered the redline? ???

Also, I recall reading somethnig about K0s having hotter cams than later 750s. What's the deal on that? The power output supposedly remained the same...right? :-X

I think it was a matter of reliability. The preproduction bikes were redlined at 9000 RPM and the test riders were told to keep the bikes in the red zone at all times. If they went up a hill and the RPM's dropped, they were instructed to downshift!

Power output remained the same? Depends on who you ask. I've seen some motorcycle reference books that list the specs of early and later K-series bikes. the K0 was rated at 67 BHP, while the later models were rated at 65 BHP, according to one book.

I'm thinking the cam, along with the choked airboxes, more restricted pipes and everything else the power would drop a bit. I wonder if Honda also detuned the bike a bit to keep the famous K0 primary chains from snapping...?
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2005, 04:01:27 PM »
Does anyone know why Honda lowered the redline? ???

Also, I recall reading somethnig about K0s having hotter cams than later 750s. What's the deal on that? The power output supposedly remained the same...right? :-X

I think it was a matter of reliability. The preproduction bikes were redlined at 9000 RPM and the test riders were told to keep the bikes in the red zone at all times. If they went up a hill and the RPM's dropped, they were instructed to downshift!

Power output remained the same? Depends on who you ask. I've seen some motorcycle reference books that list the specs of early and later K-series bikes. the K0 was rated at 67 BHP, while the later models were rated at 65 BHP, according to one book.

I'm thinking the cam, along with the choked airboxes, more restricted pipes and everything else the power would drop a bit. I wonder if Honda also detuned the bike a bit to keep the famous K0 primary chains from snapping...?

Interesting.  I heard about the K0 models breaking primary chains and ventilating the case due to the "massive power", but don't know how much detuning would help.  A different primary chain design would have been best.

Also, wouldn't 2hp difference be within manufacutring tolerances?  I know that as engines come off the same line, for whatever reason, some just run a little better and make more power than others.  Some making 67 while others made 65 or 69 wouldn't suprise me. 

For example, Porsches are my main automotive interest (aside from SOHC Hondas) and I know that in the old 911SC, made from '78 to '83, the factory rated them at 180 hp.  However, typical of Porsche, they were conservative with the rating.  The engines would make a minimum of 180 hp, while some were independently dyno'd at up to 204 hp from the factory!!  That's nearly 15% more power!  I guess Porsche wanted to make sure there was no WAY the engines had less than 180 hp.

So a 750 making within 5 hp of 67 or 68 hp (different sources rated the K0 with both numbers) either way wouldn't suprise me.

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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2005, 05:04:50 PM »
SteveD, don't give up. I was planning on getting a new filter in less than a month...I have 600 more miles to go on this oil change. And I was planning on sending you a pic...

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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2005, 05:47:13 PM »
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Reason I ask is I tried this with Oil Filters and only got 3 pics!

Must have missed this one, what exactly is it you are trying to depict??
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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2005, 01:20:21 AM »
Has th thread for pics of gauges been moved? all the pics have gone?

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Re: 750 Tachos/ Revcounters
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2005, 09:13:38 PM »
A few more facts.
My K0 is 8500rpm redline and my K1 and K2 are 8000rpm
The F and F1 had a red line at 8500rpm.
The 75 F was a blue face and the 76 was a light green-- Honda for some reason used light green on the Goldwing, K6 and F1 (and possibly others) for 1976 only. I have both tachs at home and also have a new 76 green one as well as the good one on my bike.
The K7 and K8 used essentially an F1 motor and had their redline at 8500 also.
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