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suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« on: November 27, 2005, 01:57:38 PM »
I have a 550f with those black suspension boots.  Are they really necessary and what's their function?  I'm guessing just to keep dirt and grit out of the forks.  Has anyone done away with these?  If so how?  I've seen pics of bikes with these and I like the look a lot better.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2005, 02:05:32 PM »
Yeah, all the gaiters really do is keep dust and dirt out of the sliders.
You can replace them with the later style short caps
very easily, they are still available from Honda.
I replaced the boots on my 73 500, I think
I ordered slider caps for a 75(?) 550.
They were a perfect fit.
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 02:07:44 PM »
I removed the ones on my Cafe Project, I liked the look better, I'm going to keep them on my newest rebuild.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 03:28:25 PM »
The gaitors (accordian boots) keep the forks from getting stone chips in the chrome plating.  Any uneveness in the finish of the forks wears out the fork seals faster as they slide over them.

You should at least use the dust boots to keep water from pooling on top of the forks.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 05:05:05 AM »
You may find that the headlamp "ears" now look strange / ugly as the design includes the top mounting for the gaitors - so when you remove the gaitors you end up with an "unfinished" look.  The only solution is to fit later headlamp ears (or a fairing as I did - see avatar)
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2005, 08:19:54 AM »
I personally like the looks of the fork boots - fork gaitors. It accentuates the retro look in my opinion.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2005, 08:46:17 AM »
I am a fan of the "Gators".
Def. keeps the oldschool / Retro look going...
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2005, 09:31:55 AM »
I have a 550f with those black suspension boots.  Are they really necessary and what's their function? .....

The boots aren't necessary and forks will work without them, but with the boots on there, the fork seals can last indefinitely.  The biggest killer of fork seals, besides rock chips,  are smashed bugs on the fork tubes.  It was a step backwards when they quit putting fork boots on bikes because of looks.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2005, 09:44:23 AM »
I like them and wanted to get some for my 76 F1, where can I get them and how do I fit them, please don't tell me I have to dismantle the whole bloody front end!?

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2005, 10:31:55 AM »
Bugger, I thought as much! how about cutting them up the back with a sharp knife and then putting them on?

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2005, 10:45:11 AM »
Bugger, I thought as much! how about cutting them up the back with a sharp knife and then putting them on?

Naw, you don't want to do that.  Pulling the forks off isn't that hard.  After the wheel and fender are off and the caliper is hanging from a string, remove a fork tube, install the boot, and replace the tube one at a time.  The triple clamp will stay lined up that way and the job will go quickly.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2005, 12:42:45 PM »
Jim,

Ofreen is right, it is not hard. When you put the new ones on, look carefully at them. There is a series of very small holes running up and down. These should face the rear.
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2005, 02:30:39 PM »
You may find that the headlamp "ears" now look strange / ugly as the design includes the top mounting for the gaitors - so when you remove the gaitors you end up with an "unfinished" look. The only solution is to fit later headlamp ears (or a fairing as I did - see avatar)

Yah, I forgot to mention that part. I used after market cafe headlight brackets

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2005, 03:12:40 PM »
I see the boots as a "looks" thing. Supposedly they help protect from rock chips but my yamaha enduro is a 81 and has only had the seals replaced once. Seals wear out regardless of the boots. Up and down motion will do this on its own. I have never used gaitors and neither my yamaha nor my honda has rock chips in the forks. Dust is the biggest killer and unless a gaitor completely seals air tight, which I doubt many do, dust will build up in those and people check them very seldom as they think dust is being blocked.
Currently gaitors are used only on motocross bikes and that is mainly cause they hit the dirt quite a bit.

With a good dustcap, I see no need for gaitors other than personal preference. If you like them, use em but otherwise everyone is going to have a different experience. I dont like em and never use them and never had seal problems.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2005, 06:09:48 PM »
I still maintain that insect remains are the main reason most fork seals begin to leak.  The insects' shells are hard and sharp.  They slice seals.  My R100GS has fork boots and the seals are fine after 50,000 miles.  However, I've replaced numerous fork seals on mine and also friends' bikes with exposed fork tubes with a lot fewer miles.  I made shields for my bikes that resemble the ones Honda put on the ST1100, and no longer have a problem with fork seals.  Your experience may be different but I think you have been lucky.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2005, 01:47:02 PM »
Maybe but a lot can be said about keeping the forks clean too. I wipe my forks clean on a weekly basis, more if i am in dusty conditions. I have only replaced seals worn from age. A few years of no use will destroy a seal with only 5 miles on it, especially if there have been large temp changes.

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2005, 06:42:08 PM »
Yeah, all the gaiters really do is keep dust and dirt out of the sliders.
You can replace them with the later style short caps
very easily, they are still available from Honda.
I replaced the boots on my 73 500, I think
I ordered slider caps for a 75(?) 550.
They were a perfect fit.

Good points, all. 
Ya got a part number for those slider caps pally?  Almost forgot.  Anyone know the exact size of the hex bolt on the underside of the forks?   Don't have my manual in front of me to give you guys the right name for it...  Anyhow I looked in my manual and it just said "remove the blah blah blah" no mention of size and my metric wrenches aren't marked so I'm not sure if I'm missing a size or what. 
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2005, 06:55:42 PM »
8 or 10 MMIthink. I have not had to do my forks for 6 years or so. I will change fluid this winter but as it is about 10 degrees F right now, I dont think so!

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2005, 07:12:51 PM »
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2005, 06:20:48 AM »
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2005, 08:50:17 AM »
Yeah, we all have to take turns shoveling up k1s! ;D

Actually we did get some snow but we got lots of rain which then froze to about 1 inch thick which then was covered by the snow!

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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2005, 06:43:09 AM »
I still maintain that insect remains are the main reason most fork seals begin to leak.  The insects' shells are hard and sharp.  They slice seals.

I'm gonna have to stick with Ofreen on this one. While dust, rocks and other road debri do attack the sliders, bug shells are also on the top of the list of oil seal killers.
On every slider type fork, you have two kinds of seals, Oil and Dust. The gators are Dust seals; intended to keeps the dirt, rocks and bugs off of the soft chrome of the sliders where they can sometimes sink in or deform the metal enough that it causes damage to the oil seal. When they did way with the gator style boots, they simply used a smaller dust seal cap that cleaned off the slider prior to it's going though the oil seal; the smaller caps, over the years, have theselves gotten smaller and smaller to the point that you can barely seem them any more.

The down fall of each is an follows:
With the Gators, dust will still collect inside of the boot, eventually wearing out the oil seal.
With the smaller caps, rock, bugs and the like are still going to hit your sliders causing damage, eventually wearing out the oild seal.
That's why, with modern bikes, you see that there is a little extra protection from the fenders. They flare out near the sliders to shield off the rocks and bugs before they hit. The newer bikes still have the smaller dust caps, they are just not as big as our bikes since they have the help from the fenders.

ANYWAY, getting back to the origanal question of this post: Yes, you can take the Gators off, BUT, if you don't replace them with the smaller style dust caps, you are going to become our new resident expert on changing out fork seals because you'll be doing it all the time.

Personally, I kinda like the retro look of the gators. That being said, you;re not going to find a set of them being put on my bike.   ;D
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2005, 07:15:52 AM »
kb,nothin wrong with that,we can never have too many experts
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Re: suspension boot (gators?) - are they necessary?
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2005, 08:27:14 AM »
Yes You do need a dust seal. I never really clarified that part. I do use the dust caps.
So while the gaitors are not agreed on, dust seals of some type are.