Topic: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?

[demon78]

Guys you should watch our Parliment if you want bad behavior, long tradition of calling PM bad names.
Bill the demon.

[tomkimberly]

Mr. liberal, please answer this one question.

If the Obama gang is so intent on giving everyone a goverment health care plan, why don't they just offer the same one Congress gets?

Tom

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Re: Was anyone else deeply offended by the "You Lie!" outburst?
« Reply #56 on: September 10, 2009, 09:12:14 pm »
   
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Quote from: vinmans brew on September 10, 2009, 04:49:58 pm
Tom, I didn't assault any messenger. I confronted the accuser, you. Your claims about obama preclude you from being a messenger. But you are a good dancer, I mean just look at that sidestep! people who fly to one side or the other like you do, are part of what is wrong here. What ever happened to moderation? Go down the middle, not down party lines. Make your own decisions based on what is right for humanity, not for some corporation or fatcat. the sooner repubs and dems got knocked off their power base, the sooner we can get moving forward again.

Well you surely don't know me now do you? Why is your opinion better than mine? Just because you think you are confronting me does that mean you did? Should I be careful about wagging one of my fingers in your face otherwise you will bite it off? Obama supporters seem to have the attitude of all or nothing, either agree with us or become the enemy of all of us. Sheesh, both the major parties have their wacko's out in force these days.

Do you promise when you get as rich as Bill Gates you share all of your earning with everyone else even if it means your own family has to go without needed items? As far as what is best for humanity, who decides what that means? Most people are much more likely to support things that benefit them, not what benefits everyone else. You don't have to like it being this way however that is the way it is.


BTW, the only goverment health plan I want is the same one Congress gets.

Never said my opinion was better, you just assume it, hust like you assume things about obama. Instead of assuming all the time, maybe use the brains god gave you. This is not a "jump to conclusions" game. But if you were to waggle your finger in my face, I wouldn't bite it off, being a stranger to me, how would I know if you didn't have something. No, if you were being a jerk, I would just knock you down.(oh here comes the tough guy speech here)

Also, I will never be bill gates, I wish, I sure wouldn't mind being a billionaire but then who would. As for what is best for humanity, obviously you are content to leave things as they are given your "You don't have to like it being this way however that is the way it is." line. I feel that we should not get shafted so banks can hold the judgement hammer over the common persons head. I feel we should have decent human rights. Oh crap, did that just make me a liberal? 

[Ecosse]

ooh ooh... i wanna give my self pay raises too!!

[NickC]

I didn't read through the whole thread, but I seem to remember Bush getting booed and heckled and called worse than a liar by the Dems of Congress, but that was freedom of speech and totally tolerated.......

[MCRider]

I didn't read through the whole thread, but I seem to remember Bush getting booed and heckled and called worse than a liar by the Dems of Congress, but that was freedom of speech and totally tolerated.......

Yup.

[Inigo Montoya]

I don't know. I never said I had the answers, just that under obama, things have not gotten worse for me and indeed, if you checked multiple news sources, jobs lose rates are going down and so are foreclosures. Meaning that much of your original post was bs.

As for liberal, I think you mean LIBERTARIAN, big difference.

[Ecosse]

U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Division of Labor Force Statistics

                THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- AUGUST 2009


Nonfarm payroll employment continued to decline in August (-216,000),
and the unemployment rate rose to 9.7 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor
Statistics reported today. Although job losses continued in many of the
major industry sectors in August, the declines have moderated in recent
months.

Household Survey Data

In August, the number of unemployed persons increased by 466,000 to 14.9
million, and the unemployment rate rose by 0.3 percentage point to 9.7
percent. The rate had been little changed in June and July, after in-
creasing 0.4 or 0.5 percentage point in each month from December 2008
through May. Since the recession began in December 2007, the number of
unemployed persons has risen by 7.4 million, and the unemployment rate
has grown by 4.8 percentage points. (See table A-1.)

Among the major worker groups, the unemployment rates for adult men
(10.1 percent), whites (8.9 percent), and Hispanics (13.0 percent) rose
in August. The jobless rates for adult women (7.6 percent), teenagers
(25.5 percent), and blacks (15.1 percent) were little changed over the
month. The unemployment rate for Asians was 7.5 percent, not seasonally
adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)


the rest here.

[edbikerii]

No libertarian would ever support fascist, government-run health care.  That is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE OF LIBERTARIAN.  Ask your favorite politician, Ron Paul.

I don't know. I never said I had the answers, just that under obama, things have not gotten worse for me and indeed, if you checked multiple news sources, jobs lose rates are going down and so are foreclosures. Meaning that much of your original post was bs.

As for liberal, I think you mean LIBERTARIAN, big difference.

[tomkimberly]

No dice school boy, you yourself said you were a liberal.

My original statement was "every time Obama opens his mouth he is lying" still holds true. He will say anything to get the ignorant sheep to follow him and his agenda. Of course Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II did the same however the difference is the majority of the news outlets kept their feet to the fire. This time around, CNN, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, and most of the newspapers are just following party lines and not informing the public how dangerous Obama and his gang are to the people of the United States.

It's good to hear you personally  have not been harmed by the current state of affairs, however where is your compassion for the whole of humanity?

Hopefully when you do get out of school and work for 10-15 years you will learn how to think for yourself and not blindly follow political dogma as the truth.

Tom

I don't know. I never said I had the answers, just that under obama, things have not gotten worse for me and indeed, if you checked multiple news sources, jobs lose rates are going down and so are foreclosures. Meaning that much of your original post was bs.

As for liberal, I think you mean LIBERTARIAN, big difference.

[Inigo Montoya]

I support a PROPERLY functioning health INSURANCE system. See you keep trying to say health CARE when they are clearly NOT the same. Also, If it is govt run and is effective and covers people without being overburdened, then I am fine with that. I PREFER a private system that allows competition and is sufficiently regulated to prevent the rampant corruption. So maybe I am not libertarian in the way YOU think of it, then call me a Moderate. Better than being a ragin republican such as yourself ed.

[edbikerii]

So then why don't any of your comments reflect that?  Why are you always yapping in favor of government-run healthcare?

I support a PROPERLY functioning health INSURANCE system. See you keep trying to say health CARE when they are clearly NOT the same. Also, If it is govt run and is effective and covers people without being overburdened, then I am fine with that. I PREFER a private system that allows competition and is sufficiently regulated to prevent the rampant corruption. So maybe I am not libertarian in the way YOU think of it, then call me a Moderate. Better than being a ragin republican such as yourself ed.

[Inigo Montoya]

tommy boy, the fact you tried to insinuate I am in school, means you have no freaking clue about life in anyway. But you are right, I AM in school. However I am not a student, you should go back to school though. You lack of any kind of factual evidence on ANYTHING is pitiful. Actually it is beyond pitiful but I do not have the time to look up the suitable words for it and I don't have an oxford handy. Sorry, an oxford is a dictionary, forgot, you probably do not know that.

Also, if you bother to remember the first years of bush, he did NOT have his feet held to the fire. In fact, he had a boat load of media support, especially after the todays date. Convenient of you to forget that though. once however, the bs really started coming out, of course media was critical of him. As for my concern for humanity, it is what led me to NOT vote for Bush revisited in McCain. Obama did not send us on this course, it started years back. Before bush II, even before Clinton. It started back in Reagan's years. I mean if you got a miracle plan to get the WORLD out of the fire, then share it. My guess is though you do not and it is just easier for you to blame Obama then actually do something about it.

As for my work history, up till 1 year ago, I worked THREE jobs totaling an average of 70 hours a week, with maybe 3 days off a month. Yeah a seriously doubt you do that. I still work 2 of them and have 4 days off a month.
I remember well when gas was .99 and then bush comes in and it starts is rise in less than a year and peaks over $4.
You tell me how THAT helped ANYONE.
I think my point is made. You like to say I do not know you, yeah well you do not know me either. You have NO backing over ANY of your claims other than what you neo-con insanity dredges up.

[edbikerii]

Oh, and Eldar, remember Ron Paul, your favorite Libertarian party candidate last November?  Here's his take on health care.  Interesting read, but I can't say I agree or disagree without really thinking about it more.  At first glance, I think I agree with much of what he has to say.

key phrase:

The lesson is clear: when government and other third parties get involved, health care costs spiral. The answer is not a system of outright socialized medicine, but rather a system that encourages everyone – doctors, hospitals, patients, and drug companies – to keep costs down. As long as “somebody else” is paying the bill, the bill will be too high.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html

[Inigo Montoya]

I thnk I do it, ed, mainly to piss you off. Since you are so adamant you are always right, even though you are not, it is fun to pull your chain. I think that is what everyone has figured out. See you could be given the highest levels of govt access on anything and you still would not believe it if it goes against what you think. Not only have you stuck your head in the sand, but you built a thick a$$ lead bunker for it. I would say at least it keeps you happy but you are probably the most bitter person about everything on here, funny thing is, most of your troubles have been probably brought on by you.

Here is my stance and it covers most anything political. Go back to the constitution, the original bill of rights. Add from there the real amendments such as womens sufferage. Remove the 2 amendments creating and removing prohibition.
Rewrite all the laws on the books for federal AND state. There are so damn many laws that no one has a clue what is still legal anymore. Limit the govts power according to the 10th amendment. Set term limits to remove career politicians.
Create laws against lobbies, yes even the nra. No need for the nra if the 2nd amendment is retained. Bring health cost under control, as part of this, control the number of worthless lawsuits. If costs are under control, then insurance would not be so expensive. I would encourage closer cooperation between states(not fed controlling states)to facilitate things such as conceal carry laws among many other laws. Mainly so states are on the same page and can work together.
I would also love to see our boys and girls pulled home from all these hell hole countries they get stationed in. Sure not ALL countries, germany, south korea, japan, they are fine. They are established bases that worth keeping. Get out ov kosovo, afganistan, iraq, and turkey.
Ed, I AGREE that things are going right. Our difference is that you seem to think the republican way is right when I feel the both dems and repubs should be booted out.

Also, I can't say who eldar voted for. If I meet him sometime, I will ask. I did not vote for Ron Paul either.

[tomkimberly]

Well if you are working 2 jobs then that means at least you are not a teacher, thank you god! I will take a wild stab though, you either are a grounds keeper or janitor? (Spill on aisle two!) Was your third job as a Walmart Greeter?

As for the cost of gasoline, right now it is around $ 2.30 a gallon, why quote the $ 4.00 price?

From all of your posts, it seems you have a big case of envy, envy that many other people have made something with their lives while you have not, so to make it fair, everyone else must suffer your failures too.

FWIW, I earned my Engineering degree 30 plus years ago and worked and supported my family. What Liberal Art degree do you hold? Didn't anyone tell you that getting a Liberal Arts degree was like earning an advanced High School Diploma? Sheehs, what a tool!

Tom

tommy boy, the fact you tried to insinuate I am in school, means you have no freaking clue about life in anyway. But you are right, I AM in school. However I am not a student, you should go back to school though. You lack of any kind of factual evidence on ANYTHING is pitiful. Actually it is beyond pitiful but I do not have the time to look up the suitable words for it and I don't have an oxford handy. Sorry, an oxford is a dictionary, forgot, you probably do not know that.

Also, if you bother to remember the first years of bush, he did NOT have his feet held to the fire. In fact, he had a boat load of media support, especially after the todays date. Convenient of you to forget that though. once however, the bs really started coming out, of course media was critical of him. As for my concern for humanity, it is what led me to NOT vote for Bush revisited in McCain. Obama did not send us on this course, it started years back. Before bush II, even before Clinton. It started back in Reagan's years. I mean if you got a miracle plan to get the WORLD out of the fire, then share it. My guess is though you do not and it is just easier for you to blame Obama then actually do something about it.

As for my work history, up till 1 year ago, I worked THREE jobs totaling an average of 70 hours a week, with maybe 3 days off a month. Yeah a seriously doubt you do that. I still work 2 of them and have 4 days off a month.
I remember well when gas was .99 and then bush comes in and it starts is rise in less than a year and peaks over $4.
You tell me how THAT helped ANYONE.
I think my point is made. You like to say I do not know you, yeah well you do not know me either. You have NO backing over ANY of your claims other than what you neo-con insanity dredges up.

[Inigo Montoya]

Yes tom, you ARE a tool, no wait. Actually a toolBOX is more like it. You have so little intelligence that you probably engineer porta-poties.
First off, I have a degree in Power plant operations. You know, the places where they make the stuff that runs your lights. you knew that right? Second, Years back I DID do night stock work art a grocery store. Yes I can admit it. It was a job not a soupline. Now I am do not teach, god forbid, I might have gotten kids with your lack of brain power.
No I actually do tech support for internet providers and lab repairs for the college. The third job was as a roadie and soundman. Lets see you lug 18in dual bass bins or multiple poweramp racks.
Also, I see you are unable to read, I feel sorry for you. Reading can be so fulfilling. To reiterate what I wrote, I said gas PEAKED over $4. AS you did not get that I must assume you either could not understand it, or you have a lack of reading comprehension and yet I am the tool. Please, you make larry the cable guy look brilliant, and I am talking about his stage show.

keep it coming, I can keep up the piddly insults as long as you can. Seems to me that you are the one envious of other who have lives. What other reason could their be for you to be such a simplistic baby about things?

At least I CAN admit what I do. If I bothered to believe your statement of being an engineer, that would make about 3/4 the people here engineers.

[Damfino]

No I actually do tech support for internet providers and lab repairs for the college. The third job was as a roadie and soundman.

Hmmm, Didn't Eldar, - 'Master of the K8 Thunder!' - do similar work along those lines?
Just asking....

[seaweb11]

What a happy little group

[sangyo soichiro]

Soichiro, way too many "probably"s in there.  Sorry.  Thanks for playing.

Uncle, I see it all the time.  And I didn't even mention anything about credit cards...  




DammitDan, thanks for the kind words.

[Inigo Montoya]

Well if he did, if any one knew his name, I might be able to look him up through the roadie channels. The band I worked for is still around and so are some of the others I met. All the other guys I know though are either rocketeers or harley bums.

I don't envy him if he was a roadie though. They never get any love except for the chicks left behind by their friends!

[bikerbart]

You guys are f*&^%ng nuts.The last eight years have destroyed any credibility this country had.I agree that MOST politicians are professional liars,but tell me,What the hell is wrong with giving everyone healthcare?The fact that we are all screaming at each other about it is disgusting.My whole young adult life was screwed because I coudnt pay for health care,no money = bad credit.Gee,lets see,our last so-called president took a multi billion dollar surplus and gave to the Iraq war,now China practically owns the US ,because they keep lending us"credit".So,as wall st. gets richer and richer,and the good hard working people of this country gets screwed,lets just keep fighting amongst ourselves,because you know what,That is EXACTLY what big pharma and big HMO's want us to do.These yahoos have no class,Yes I am talking about the morons in the Town hall meetings who just shout but have nothing constructive to offer,all they do is repeat the LIES  they heard on some wacko right wing talkshow.(which all have been false)What I dont understand is these gap toothed yokel bible thumpers have more to lose than gain if their politicians/spokespeople got their way.

[tomkimberly]

Gee I am impressed, you know how to flip a light switch, can do grunt work for a no name band, and perform tech support that is normally done in India.

That degree you claim to hold, is it not more likely a certificate of completion with courses of study including "How a light bulb works?".

I sure wish I invented and developed the Port-A-Pottie, I'd be worth millions!

As for your comment about me being a "toolbox", thanks, that means I unlike you have more to offer than you, one tool vinmans.

Your friend, Tom

Yes tom, you ARE a tool, no wait. Actually a toolBOX is more like it. You have so little intelligence that you probably engineer porta-poties.
First off, I have a degree in Power plant operations. You know, the places where they make the stuff that runs your lights. you knew that right? Second, Years back I DID do night stock work art a grocery store. Yes I can admit it. It was a job not a soupline. Now I am do not teach, god forbid, I might have gotten kids with your lack of brain power.
No I actually do tech support for internet providers and lab repairs for the college. The third job was as a roadie and soundman. Lets see you lug 18in dual bass bins or multiple poweramp racks.
Also, I see you are unable to read, I feel sorry for you. Reading can be so fulfilling. To reiterate what I wrote, I said gas PEAKED over $4. AS you did not get that I must assume you either could not understand it, or you have a lack of reading comprehension and yet I am the tool. Please, you make larry the cable guy look brilliant, and I am talking about his stage show.

keep it coming, I can keep up the piddly insults as long as you can. Seems to me that you are the one envious of other who have lives. What other reason could their be for you to be such a simplistic baby about things?

At least I CAN admit what I do. If I bothered to believe your statement of being an engineer, that would make about 3/4 the people here engineers.

[medic09]

Well if you are working 2 jobs then that means at least you are not a teacher, thank you god!

Tom, what statistical evidence and leap of logic made you draw that conclusion?  Off the topic, but teachers can't have multiple jobs?

My father, r.i.p., was a high school teacher for over 40 years.  For all of my memory, he worked two or three jobs.  One teaching and admin job full-time, teaching night school two nights a week for those who wanted to go back and graduate late in life, and Sunday job.  He also finished two graduate degrees.

My mother, may she be well, also taught over 40 years.  She was also an old-fashioned wife and mother - a full time job if there ever was one.  And she, too, finished two graduate degrees.

I also taught school full time, and had part time teaching jobs on an evening and a Sunday.

My father in law taught high school science, and additionally taught a shop class and driver's ed.

Shall I go on?  I know full time teachers who taught second jobs or ran small businesses.  And, of course, there are the many, many teachers who take supplemental jobs over the summer and winter vacations despite being paid all year round for their primary jobs.

I could go on, but I think the point is made.

[masonryman]

I thought the same thing, almost every teacher I know works a second job

[Slayer]

Well if you are working 2 jobs then that means at least you are not a teacher, thank you god!

I could go on, but I think the point is made.

Just outburst, "You Lie!"