Topic: Subtitle C-11 Sec. 2521 - National Medical Device Registry

[mystic_1]

WHO's definition of the word "pandemic"

It's not the WHO's definition.

pandemic
Adjective
(of a disease) occurring over a wide geographical area [Greek pandēmos general]

Collins Essential English Dictionary 2nd Edition 2006 © HarperCollins Publishers 2004, 2006

pandemic  (pn-dmk)
An epidemic that spreads over a very wide area, such as an entire country or continent.

The American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.

pan·dem·ic  (pn-dmk)
adj.
1. Widespread; general.
2. Medicine Epidemic over a wide geographic area and affecting a large proportion of the population: pandemic influenza.
n.
A pandemic disease.
[From Late Latin pandmus, from Greek pandmos, of all the people : pan-, pan- + dmos, people; see d- in Indo-European roots.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company.

    * Main Entry: 1pan·dem·ic
    * Pronunciation: \pan-ˈde-mik\
    * Function: adjective
    * Etymology: Late Latin pandemus, from Greek pandēmos of all the people, from pan- + dēmos people — more at demagogue
    * Date: 1666

: occurring over a wide geographic area and affecting an exceptionally high proportion of the population <pandemic malaria>

I guess that dictionary publishers are fear-mongers too! 

mystic_1

[demon78]

Maybe we should get one of the members a tinfoil beanie kit as an experiment and see if his rantings change ?
Bill the demon.

[Retro Rocket]

The whole swine flu thing is totally overblown.  Any simple research will show that the N1H1 swine flu is no more harmful than any normal, ordinary flu that we get every year in the US.  People who die from it, just like the surprising number of people who die from non-swine flu every year, typically have some other condition that has already weakened them so that they cannot fight off a flu.  Recent statistics show that 1 in 10 poeple in New York City have had swine flu this year.  That means that over 800,000 New Yorkers had the swine flu and didn't even know it.

The World Heath Organization labeled it a "pandemic" simply because they want to make Americans nervous about their health, and put the thought that "the government ought to do something about it" into people's heads.  These are the same clowns that rate health care in the United States behind health care in Columbia, Dominica, Costa Rica and Chile.  Those rankings are absolutely preposterous, but they are useful to help illustrate the political motives behind the WHO.

Another typically ignorant view by ED. My wife her friend and my mates wife have all had swine flu this winter, all 3 ended up with a collapsed lung and my mates wife was on a ventilator for 2 weeks and over a month later she is still ill. Out of the 3 that i personally can vouch for, only the lady on the ventilator smoked but had a clean bill of health otherwise. My wife was the sickest i have ever seen her in our 27 years together and is still getting over it 4 weeks later, her chest sounds like it full of mud. She is otherwise and always has been a picture of health and because she works in hospitality regularly gets the flu when its in season.In Australia we have had quite a few healthy people die with no underlying problems, this is unusuall as it wasn't expected, this is fact ED, there is nothing typical about this flu. Our hospitals were run off their feet with influxes of swine flu patients, more so than usual at this time of year.  We were lucky to a degree as we had our warmest winter on record. Like all diseases or viruses,they effect people differently, this one is more severe. Once again you are wrong about the Vaccine, it has been trialed for months here in Aus {where it was made} and there have been 2 trials here, one with 400 people and the other with 240 people, NONE of these people contracted the swine flu and there were NO side effects reported. I will have my shot in a couple of weeks and will have it without a worry in the world. You need to give up on the conspiracy theories and get a life mate.......before "they" finally get you.....

Mick

[MickeyX]

"Pandemic influenza vaccine manufacturing process and timeline
Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:00 AM
It takes approximately five to six months for the first supplies of approved vaccine to become available once a new strain of influenza virus with pandemic potential is identified and isolated. These months are needed because the process of producing a new vaccine involves many sequential steps, and each of these steps requires a certain amount of time to complete.


Safety of pandemic vaccines
Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:00 AM
6 August 2009 - WHO is aware of some media reports that have expressed concern about the safety of vaccines for pandemic influenza. The public needs to be reassured that regulatory procedures in place for the licensing of pandemic vaccines, including procedures for expediting regulatory approval, are rigorous and do not compromise safety or quality controls."

There are 65 public updates on the WHO site right now. Have you read any of them, Ed? They are required to report pandemic activity. Had they not and people not taken any extra precaution, this would be much worse. It isn't their fault that the media blows things up, like comparing it to the black plague. Yes, technically, the black plague was a pandemic, one that killed most of it's victims, but the WHO were very careful to explain this isn't like that. Yet. If we let it go, it will mutate out of control (I think we have 20 some mutations we know of already) and it will be hard to keep up with vaccines. I'd hate to tell you what other nasties they are still watching.

Rocket - we have seen too many "healthy" people end up in the ICU and/or dead from this, as Ed calls it "impotent", flu as well. It seems pregnant women are especially hard hit. We have enough to deal with on a daily basis from cross contamination concerns from so many things. This all kinda goes along with this thread in that, if we didn't have a main place to cross examine the symptoms, outcomes, etc., things like this would get really nasty. As it is, with global information sharing capabilities, this is just one more thing we can try to quickly eradicate with the sharing of knowledge.   

Now for something completely different. 

[MickeyX]

Kit went back to work today after us being off for a few days. She just texted me to let me know we lost 2 patients to H1N1. 

I'm sure their families don't think the virus is "impotent", Ed.



 

[Retro Rocket]

Thanks Mickey, and yes we still have people dying every day from this thing and it is very serious, no one knows why it seems to "select" which people it is going to adversely effect and alli can say is that i am extremely glad my wife is fit and strong or she may not be here now. It started for her with aches and pains in her legs, then an extremely high temp followed by headaches, this is within a couple of hours then the chest infection that came on like a train, it really amazed me how fast and hard it hit her. It is having a really bad effect on pregnant women here as well.I must say that the last thing we need is people telling everyone who'll listen that this is all a beat up, I think ED is starting to believe his own BS....

Mick

[Pinhead]

It is strange how differently H1N1 effects people; one of my close cousins got it and was only out for a couple of days with a fever and a slight chest cold.

[Frankenkit]

...I guess there was a bad (100 people plus) outbreak at the PAX gaming convention in Seattle.   One of my coworkers was there, and I know I've seen him since then. uggghhh.

[edbikerii]

Hundreds of thousands of people die from ordinary strains of the flu every year.  To date, less than 4,000 people have died from this H1N1 swine flu.

Certainly, it is dangerous to get any flu, but the swine flu, in its current form, is no worse than any other.

[MickeyX]

Yes, the seasonal flu, all the strains together, kill about 40,000 in the US per year. They eventually eradicate themselves though. H1N1 just getting started, Ed. It was only declared in June. It's not seasonal so it will be here year round, infecting and killing for YEARS. More and more are infected. The more infected, the more eventual deaths from it.

"GENEVA, Sept 4 (Reuters) - The pandemic H1N1 flu virus continues to cause widespread infection in many parts of the world but is not becoming more serious, the World Health Organisation (WHO) said on Friday.

The WHO said it had counted 2,837 deaths worldwide but noted that not every case was being counted any more.

The United Nations agency is closely monitoring the strain, commonly known as swine flu, but said it had not detected any mutation which might signal that it has become more deadly.

"It is not causing more severe illness than before, there have been no changes in the behaviour of the virus," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl told a news briefing.

"We are continuing to see increased number of deaths because we are seeing many, many more cases."

About a quarter of a million cases have been laboratory-confirmed worldwide, but this is far fewer than the true number according to the WHO which has stopped requiring its 193 member states to report individual cases.

Its previous update of Aug. 28 showed at least 2,185 deaths, meaning an additional 652 deaths were reported in the past week.

The virus could eventually infect 2 billion people, or a third of the world's population, according to WHO estimates.

Every year, seasonal influenza kills between 250,000 and 500,000 people globally, it says. But H1N1 is causing a year-round flu season and may infect more people than a usual seasonal virus, potentially adding up to more deaths.

"In the best case scenario we have today, we will still have a moderate virus that is projected to cause several million deaths," Dr. Tammam Aloudat, senior health officer at the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, told a separate news briefing.

"Which means that even in the best case scenario, we do have an emergency on our hands, an emergency of a scale different from what we have seen before in the modern era," he said."

But thank you once again for giving us your opinion and not facts. As always, it is about you.

[edbikerii]

Is anybody here still old enough to remember the last "swine flu" outbreak in 1976?  Remember that the government rushed to mobilize a huge effort to vaccinate everyone, which resulted in various strange illnesses and deaths caused by the vaccine?  Many people blamed then-President Ford for trying to grandstand in an election year.

No Mickey, W.H.O. only declared the swine flu a "pandemic" in June.  There have been human cases in Mexico since at least March.  The Mexican government went through their initial panic phase (remember the museums and office buildings being closed in Mexico City), and they have since recovered and returned to a more normal lifestyle.

W.H.O. has projected that the worst case scenario is some 90,000 deaths, and even that is extremely unlikely.  No, that is nothing to sneeze at, but it is nothing at all like the 1918 flu pandemic.

Granted, there is potential for this flu to become something that today it is not.  We are all concerned that this strain may mutate and get worse.  We all hope that doesn't happen.  So far, it has not, so there isn't much point in worrying about that, is there?

In the meantime, all anybody can do is keep washing their hands, and stay home from work/school if they have flu-like symptoms, so why all the fear-mongering?

Yes, the seasonal flu, all the strains together, kill about 40,000 in the US per year. They eventually eradicate themselves though. H1N1 just getting started, Ed. It was only declared in June. It's not seasonal so it will be here year round, infecting and killing for YEARS. More and more are infected. The more infected, the more eventual deaths from it.

"GENEVA, Sept 4 (Reuters) - The pandemic H1N1 flu virus continues to cause widespread infection in many parts of the world but is not becoming more serious, the World Health Organisation (WHO) said on Friday.

The WHO said it had counted 2,837 deaths worldwide but noted that not every case was being counted any more.

The United Nations agency is closely monitoring the strain, commonly known as swine flu, but said it had not detected any mutation which might signal that it has become more deadly.

"It is not causing more severe illness than before, there have been no changes in the behaviour of the virus," WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl told a news briefing.

"We are continuing to see increased number of deaths because we are seeing many, many more cases."

About a quarter of a million cases have been laboratory-confirmed worldwide, but this is far fewer than the true number according to the WHO which has stopped requiring its 193 member states to report individual cases.

Its previous update of Aug. 28 showed at least 2,185 deaths, meaning an additional 652 deaths were reported in the past week.

The virus could eventually infect 2 billion people, or a third of the world's population, according to WHO estimates.

Every year, seasonal influenza kills between 250,000 and 500,000 people globally, it says. But H1N1 is causing a year-round flu season and may infect more people than a usual seasonal virus, potentially adding up to more deaths.

"In the best case scenario we have today, we will still have a moderate virus that is projected to cause several million deaths," Dr. Tammam Aloudat, senior health officer at the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies, told a separate news briefing.

"Which means that even in the best case scenario, we do have an emergency on our hands, an emergency of a scale different from what we have seen before in the modern era," he said."

But thank you once again for giving us your opinion and not facts. As always, it is about you.

[MickeyX]

Yes, I do remember the swine flu in 1976. It was at Fort Dix before my brother was there. As I recall, I'd have to look it up, it was completely contained there as well. As for the vaccine, all flu vaccines have created problems for a certain # of the population. It is well known that you can have complications from flu vaccines. Are you trying to say something new here?

I just looked it up...
48,161,019 Americans were vaccinated. 25 died from flu shots, mostly old people. Not that I like having anyone die, but...
Of course, we haven't advanced at all in our thinking, science, research and global communication since 1976. Oh wait. We have. My bad. 



"No Mickey, W.H.O. only declared the swine flu a "pandemic" in June. "

And to quote myself since you still have a problem comprehending... Yes, the seasonal flu, all the strains together, kill about 40,000 in the US per year. They eventually eradicate themselves though. H1N1 just getting started, Ed. It was only declared in June.

So, you for post after post keep saying there is nothing to this flu. Then when actual facts are presented, you turn an about face and try to lay your saddness it in my lap? There is no fear mongering on my part, only facts. I'll leave the personal speeches sans facts to you, Ed.
 

[edbikerii]

Yes, there was EXACTLY ONE death from the swine flu in 1976.  There were 25 deaths and over 1000 people left with paralysis (due to Guillain-Barre Syndrome) from the vaccine that the political fear-mongering government rushed out to over 40 Million Americans.

That enough facts for you, Mickey?

Yes, I do remember the swine flu in 1976. It was at Fort Dix before my brother was there. As I recall, I'd have to look it up, it was completely contained there as well. As for the vaccine, all flu vaccines have created problems for a certain # of the population. It is well known that you can have complications from flu vaccines. Are you trying to say something new here?

I just looked it up...
48,161,019 Americans were vaccinated. 25 died from flu shots, mostly old people. Not that I like having anyone die, but...
Of course, we haven't advanced at all in our thinking, science, research and global communication since 1976. Oh wait. We have. My bad. 



"No Mickey, W.H.O. only declared the swine flu a "pandemic" in June. "

And to quote myself since you still have a problem comprehending... Yes, the seasonal flu, all the strains together, kill about 40,000 in the US per year. They eventually eradicate themselves though. H1N1 just getting started, Ed. It was only declared in June.

So, you for post after post keep saying there is nothing to this flu. Then when actual facts are presented, you turn an about face and try to lay your saddness it in my lap? There is no fear mongering on my part, only facts. I'll leave the personal speeches sans facts to you, Ed.
 

[Duke McDukiedook]

Just shaddap and get in line for your worthless flu shots like good little sheep.

Yes, don't question big brother, he is doubleplusgood... 

[MickeyX]

um, only about 500 for that particular flu vaccine. Not good numbers but it's less than 1 per million. It's still that many for any flu vaccine since then too. It isn't just that one, Ed.

No one forced anyone to get the shots. Except the military. 

Don't get vaccinated, Ed!!!

[Retro Rocket]

Certainly, it is dangerous to get any flu, but the swine flu, in its current form, is no worse than any other.

What a totally ill informed opinion, everything is a friggin conspiracy isn't it ED....

Mick

[edbikerii]

Haha!  No.  Not everything.

It very well could be the case that President Gerald Ford saved the entire world in 1976 by rushing out those 40 Million vaccine injections.

The point is that the democratic political machine presented that situation as fear-mongering and used it to make Ford look very, very bad in the media.  Ford subsequently lost the election to Carter.  That one single decision by President Ford may very well have been the best decision ever made, but Ford was heavily criticized for it.

It is very ironic that President Obama, with the help of his liberal healthcare "reform" propaganda production center, W.H.O., is now doing exactly the same thing, but the big-government loons all buy it hook, line and sinker.  They crucified Ford, but are trying to make a messiah out of Obama.

Amazing.

Certainly, it is dangerous to get any flu, but the swine flu, in its current form, is no worse than any other.

What a totally ill informed opinion, everything is a friggin conspiracy isn't it ED....

Mick

[mlinder]

I'm going to have 740 implanted in me, one for each of my little buddies that hang out in, um, my head.
Let them try to figure out just who the hell they are talking to.

And airports are gonna be fun.

[demon78]

There is something wrong with Ed's beanie.
Bill the demon.

[Retro Rocket]

There is something wrong with Ed's beanie.
Bill the demon.

 

Mick

[Markcb750]

I use the old rear fender from my 750 to protect my brain from government examination, the dent fits nicely into the point in my skull where my wife emphasized her displeasure with the cleanliness of my garage when I had the 750 scattered around during the rebuild, or it could have been when the 33rd UPS delivery was made.

[sangyo soichiro]

Yes, I do remember the swine flu in 1976. It was at Fort Dix before my brother was there. As I recall, I'd have to look it up, it was completely contained there as well. As for the vaccine, all flu vaccines have created problems for a certain # of the population. It is well known that you can have complications from flu vaccines. Are you trying to say something new here?

I just looked it up...
48,161,019 Americans were vaccinated. 25 died from flu shots, mostly old people. 

Interesting...
I just looked up the current death rates.  I don't know the veracity of the following number, but it seems reasonable.  The death rate in the U.S. is 810.4 per 100,000.  I've also seen the statistic of 8.27 per 1,000.  For simplicity, let's just round it to an even 8 per thousand.

Assuming the death rate remains roughly constant (yes, populations change, but it's fair to assume the death rate is roughly constant), then by the given death rate, out of the 48,161,019 Americans that were vaccinated, we would expect on average 385,288 people to die just by the typical rate of deaths in the U.S (that is, by natural causes, accidents, murders, -whatever would have killed them regardless of the vaccine).

I'm not making any particular point; just stating the numbers.

[Cvillechopper]

Yes, I do remember the swine flu in 1976. It was at Fort Dix before my brother was there. As I recall, I'd have to look it up, it was completely contained there as well. As for the vaccine, all flu vaccines have created problems for a certain # of the population. It is well known that you can have complications from flu vaccines. Are you trying to say something new here?

I just looked it up...
48,161,019 Americans were vaccinated. 25 died from flu shots, mostly old people. 

Interesting...
I just looked up the current death rates.  I don't know the veracity of the following number, but it seems reasonable.  The death rate in the U.S. is 810.4 per 100,000.  I've also seen the statistic of 8.27 per 1,000.  For simplicity, let's just round it to an even 8 per thousand.

Assuming the death rate remains roughly constant (yes, populations change, but it's fair to assume the death rate is roughly constant), then by the given death rate, out of the 48,161,019 Americans that were vaccinated, we would expect on average 385,288 people to die just by the typical rate of deaths in the U.S (that is, by natural causes, accidents, murders, -whatever would have killed them regardless of the vaccine).

I'm not making any particular point; just stating the numbers.

I think you just made the most important point in this entire thread.  I'll expand slightly on my take.

An ex girlfriend of mine was a PhD student in quantitative psychology and one of her favorite sayings (one of mine now) is that given enough raw data I tell you any thing you want, and no one will be able to refute it.

Statistics, data, numbers, whatever, are constantly manipulated into the best presentation for making a particular point.  The exact same data set can be used to tell the polar opposite story with the proper manipulation (not falsification). 

The point... don't believe everything you see until you understand all of the underlying definitions, exceptions, assumptions, etc. and even then try and remember that someone much smarter than you has had their hand on the data first.  You never know what story it could tell in another hands...

[Duke McDukiedook]

Yes, I do remember the swine flu in 1976. It was at Fort Dix before my brother was there. As I recall, I'd have to look it up, it was completely contained there as well. As for the vaccine, all flu vaccines have created problems for a certain # of the population. It is well known that you can have complications from flu vaccines. Are you trying to say something new here?

I just looked it up...
48,161,019 Americans were vaccinated. 25 died from flu shots, mostly old people.  

Interesting...
I just looked up the current death rates.  I don't know the veracity of the following number, but it seems reasonable.  The death rate in the U.S. is 810.4 per 100,000.  I've also seen the statistic of 8.27 per 1,000.  For simplicity, let's just round it to an even 8 per thousand.

Assuming the death rate remains roughly constant (yes, populations change, but it's fair to assume the death rate is roughly constant), then by the given death rate, out of the 48,161,019 Americans that were vaccinated, we would expect on average 385,288 people to die just by the typical rate of deaths in the U.S (that is, by natural causes, accidents, murders, -whatever would have killed them regardless of the vaccine).

I'm not making any particular point; just stating the numbers.

I think you just made the most important point in this entire thread.  I'll expand slightly on my take.

An ex girlfriend of mine was a PhD student in quantitative psychology and one of her favorite sayings (one of mine now) is that given enough raw data I tell you any thing you want, and no one will be able to refute it.

Statistics, data, numbers, whatever, are constantly manipulated into the best presentation for making a particular point.  The exact same data set can be used to tell the polar opposite story with the proper manipulation (not falsification).  

The point... don't believe everything you see until you understand all of the underlying definitions, exceptions, assumptions, etc. and even then try and remember that someone much smarter than you has had their hand on the data first.  You never know what story it could tell in another hands...

Factoids.

[demon78]

I don't know if I remember the quote properly It goes something like " Lies, Dammed Lies and Statistics ".
That seems to play into this.
Bill the demon.