Author Topic: HIGH PERFORMANCE IGNITIONS......WHAT'S AVAILABLE ? (Read 12829 times)

BLUE71TURBO · « **on:** September 18, 2009, 08:51:44 PM »

What is available these day's for motorcycles and in your opinion what works best for serious hp engine's
like turbocharged and supercharged engines especially.

Pinhead · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2009, 08:57:44 PM »

You could use a GM HEI ignition system...

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=53773.0

turboguzzi · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2009, 09:54:06 PM »

Hei Blue

No need for writing in caps, we understand you without shouting :-)

all current sport bikes are equiped with on-the-plug micro coils that supply the spark without any high voltage cables. They are fed with low voltage directly from the engine management unit.

From my understanding, even WSBK and WSST teams use these stock coils and only change the management unit for more advance control.

TG

MRieck · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2009, 10:29:04 PM »

The Dyna 2000 is what I run on my CB and FJ1314

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #4 on:** September 19, 2009, 12:06:06 AM »

Are either of them turbo'd or supercharged ? I'm looking for something for my blower bike project.

MRieck · « **Reply #5 on:** September 19, 2009, 07:27:45 AM »

Quote from: BLUE71TURBO on September 19, 2009, 12:06:06 AM

Are either of them turbo'd or supercharged ? I'm looking for something for my blower bike project.

No but the FJ did run a 60 HP NOS shot, The 2000 does have an auto retard feature with different amounts of timing retard available. As a side note.....In my experience the blower gives great torque down low but goes flat on the top (unlike a turbo which builds and builds). What's your experience Blue?

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #6 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:22:50 AM »

I only have experience with turbo's. I know that with a supercharger I'll have boost right off idle! I just want to
build one to ride to local shows and maybe dragrace at FONTANA RACEWAY.

One question, why does everyone call Nitrous Oxide " NOS " ?

N.O.S. Is a name of a company.
(NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEMS) I,m not ragging on you Mike.

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #7 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:28:53 AM »

Quote from: turboguzzi on September 18, 2009, 09:54:06 PM

Hei Blue

No need for writing in caps, we understand you without shouting :-)

all current sport bikes are equiped with on-the-plug micro coils that supply the spark without any high voltage cables. They are fed with low voltage directly from the engine management unit.

From my understanding, even WSBK and WSST teams use these stock coils and only change the management unit for more advance control.

TG

Hey TG, I'm not yelling. Didn't you learn in school that your title or heading should be in CAPS ?

MJL · « **Reply #8 on:** September 19, 2009, 12:29:31 PM »

Quote from: BLUE71TURBO on September 19, 2009, 08:22:50 AM

I only have experience with turbo's. I know that with a supercharger I'll have boost right off idle! I just want to
build one to ride to local shows and maybe dragrace at FONTANA RACEWAY.
One question, why does everyone call Nitrous Oxide " NOS " ? N.O.S. Is a name of a company.
(NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEMS) I,m not ragging on you Mike.

The huge NOS label on the bottle, and that stupid movie where everyone runs around yelling NAAAWS!! I need NAAAWS! A big bottle! NO! Two big bottles!

Back to the original question, I don't know how high performance they are but other than the standard Kettering ignition is the Hondaman, Gm HEI, Power-Arc aka Cycle-X, Dyna, and magneto ignitions. Someone here was working on a plasma ignition, but I have not heard if he got it running.

I think that for a boosted motor a magneto would be the ticket, unless that plasma system can be made to work.

paulages · « **Reply #9 on:** September 19, 2009, 01:31:17 PM »

DYNA 2000. like mike said, it has 5 pre-programmed retard curves (as well as 5 advance curve settings), and the newer ones are programmable, allowing you to fill 4 of the 5 slots with your own curve. they claim it produces strong spark up to 16K RPM. unless you're talking something like TG mentioned with micro coils, i don't see why you'd need more than this with any application.

MRieck · « **Reply #10 on:** September 19, 2009, 01:43:49 PM »

Quote from: BLUE71TURBO on September 19, 2009, 08:22:50 AM

I only have experience with turbo's. I know that with a supercharger I'll have boost right off idle! I just want to
build one to ride to local shows and maybe dragrace at FONTANA RACEWAY.
One question, why does everyone call Nitrous Oxide " NOS " ? N.O.S. Is a name of a company.
(NITROUS OXIDE SYSTEMS) I,m not ragging on you Mike.

Guilty as charged.

I remember when they were the only game in town.

MRieck · « **Reply #11 on:** September 19, 2009, 02:33:18 PM »

Quote from: BLUE71TURBO on September 18, 2009, 08:51:44 PM

What is available these day's for motorcycles and in your opinion what works best for serious hp engine's
like turbocharged and supercharged engines especially.

I'll tell you story i heard yesterday about serious HP. I dropped off some work at Harry's Machined Parts here in Massachusetts. Rick stetson owns the place and has done a lot of work with Funny Bikes (4 World Championships with Gary Clark as engine builder and tuner). Rick tells me the latest funnybike he is working with is an alcohol, turbo with nitrous (see Blue...I can say it

). They run 68 lbs of boost with a static compression of 12 to 1. They use the nitrous off the line to get the thing going. I can't imagine what cylinder pressure is

but there have been some issues.

Freaking bike has run 210mph in the 1/4. That's hauling a$$.

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #12 on:** September 19, 2009, 04:10:07 PM »

What kind of ignitions are they running ? Magneto's ?

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #13 on:** September 19, 2009, 04:40:24 PM »

Here's some picture's of a RC setup i just purchased for $200.00 It's for a kawasaki though.

Here's some pics of other ignitions...........Which are not mine.

turboguzzi · « **Reply #14 on:** September 19, 2009, 04:49:38 PM »

Blue, very cute vintage stuff but with points, distributors (asking the spark to jump another gap on the way) etc, cant see why you are sticking to it.

maybe for looks? You could keep just the casings... racers with G50 and manxes empty the magnetos and fit in there proper electronic ignitions.

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #15 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:16:56 PM »

My A.R.D. on my bike is a CDM unit, no points. As for the RC units they use a vw style distributor which can be converted very easily to electronic with a kit or just use a new bosch distributor already setup.

The reason i'm messing with these old style setups is for the nostsalgic old school look. The magneto's just
do it for me.

No problems with a lot of boost.

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #16 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:19:11 PM »

Anyone run MSD ignition,I have one,but have never used one,took in an 850 with cycle x ignition yesterday,never worked on one of these,look forward to checking it out.I think right now going to go with Dyna 2000 for 1000cc engine.Bill (had lots of success with S and Dyna III).

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #17 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:23:57 PM »

If heard great things about DYNA'S. MSD setup's can get exspensive but are really tunable for boost applications for all out racing.

754 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:27:22 PM »

As far as vintage hot rod bikes go, there is certainly nothing that replaces the look of a mag..

It not like they WONT run with one on them..

To each their own, but I will have Webers, mag, knarly high turbopipes... things that I always liked...

Maybe a few of us are just building what we really wished we could have..back in the day...

Its all fun, if it gets you down the road..

BLUE71TURBO · « **Reply #19 on:** September 19, 2009, 05:44:46 PM »

EXACTLY ! Very well put 754.

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #20 on:** September 19, 2009, 06:49:47 PM »

754,you nailed it,finally going to build MY bike.Bill

turboguzzi · « **Reply #21 on:** September 19, 2009, 08:14:19 PM »

well, you guys are certainly lucky, none of that cool go fast stuff was available in italy...... the 750 was always regarded by the typical short stature Italians as a big bike for German/Scandinavian types.

Case in hand. i'm happy to troll around my little 65hp 500, even if I'm 6'4" :-)

+ the market for big HP stuff was always centered around the US.

Blue, in any case, the moment you do distribute a spark through, err, a distributor, you are making it jump the internal gap in the cap no?

I think that a very interesting option for you could be to use the coils from a subaru impresa turbo, they use the same arrangement as japanes bikes i.e. twin double ended coils. you could even use the whole management system if you wanted, it has all the stuff to control a high power turbo motor.... just an idea

I often replaced twin and four cyl bike coils with subaru items, they really woke up a lousy running BMW of a friend

TG

Peters1983 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 20, 2009, 01:57:04 AM »

^^^ very interesting info, way to think outside of the box. I am into both cars and motorcycles (mainly imports) and its nice to see something more modernized from than the VW dizzy mods or the ARD mags. plus the management systems made for the subaru applications could take you just about anywhere you might think of going with you're project and further for the more extreme guys.

JohnG · « **Reply #23 on:** September 20, 2009, 06:32:46 PM »

Could anyone tell me how appropriate a Dyna 2000 is for a street bike?? or is the collection of curves only of real use to someone racing??

thanks!
John

MRieck · « **Reply #24 on:** September 20, 2009, 06:47:53 PM »

Quote from: BLUE71TURBO on September 19, 2009, 04:10:07 PM

What kind of ignitions are they running ? Magneto's ?

I'm sure it is a mag with a belt drive

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