Topic: All Rights are Suspended.

[Pinhead]

According to Cedric Glover, mayor of Shreveport, Louisiana, his cops "have a power that [. . .] the President of these Unites States does not have":   His cops can take away your rights.

And would you like to guess which rights he has in mind?

Just ask Shreveport resident Robert Baillio, who got pulled over for having two pro-gun bumper stickers on the back of his truck -- and had his gun confiscated.

However, not only does Louisiana law allow resident to drive with loaded weapons in their vehicles, but Mr. Baillio possessed a concealed carry license!

According to Glover, a police officer may properly disarm any civilian at any time, and the civilian's duty is to surrender his gun -- willingly, readily, cheerfully, without cavil or question.

http://www.conservativedrink.com/media/GloverInterview-060809-Video.asp

[myhondas]

You know, I am try to see the mayor's point of view.....but I can't quite seem to get my head that far up my ass.

[HavocTurbo]

Honestly I don't quite see the problem until the end.

No cop in the land would let you hold a loaded concealed weapon on a traffic stop. Period. Would you really ask them to?

After listening to all that towards the end they seemed to have missed the point. He wants to have his weapon no matter what. Ok sure.. He supports the police, finds no fault with the officer... he was doing his job. He finds fault with the policy. Something the mayor didn't understand.

But no way in hell if I were a cop would I let someone have a weapon if they decided to change their mind about cooperation.

I cannot have a weapon... Something I'm very pissed about, but I would never ask that of police officers. Ever.

[bender01]

I have a friend that got a speeding ticket and was carrying. Gave his licence and permit and the cop asked "your carrying right now?" He said "yes I am".Went to his car came back with speeding ticket. End of story! He surely didnt sound like that guy on the audio. I listened a bit but theres 20 min of audio. So yes a cop will let you hold a weapon during a traffic stop. Im sure theres some instances they would be able to take it from you . If you are going over 20 mph posted speed limit is one. While commiting a felony is another. Suspiscion of DUI is probably another. But these stops will have had you out of the car and ... some know the rest.

[bucky katt]

dont mention the gun unless specifically asked if you have a weapon or if it's in the glove box where your paperwork is.

[oldbiker]

Seems to me  Mr. Baillio is #$%*ing because he was caught out in some misdemeanor. His gun was not confiscated but held by the police officer until the stop was over and then given back to him. The officer was playing safe by taking control of the gun during the time of the stop and I don't blame him. He puts his life on the line  in an environment where people can carry weapons.
Our police are not generally armed but I don't believe our authorities would have been as patient as that Mayor was if I argued for twenty minutes that my rights had been violated.

[Buber]

Why don't you change the name "glove box" for "gun box" in the car? I never carried gloves there.. only rubbish and car papers.... 

[clarkjh]

Why don't you change the name "glove box" for "gun box" in the car? I never carried gloves there.. only rubbish and car papers.... 

I was thinking "trash bin" would be better in my case.  It gets emptied when I replace the car.
James

[tramp]

by law you have to give the cop your gun if he asked for it
he has the right to control his area
i'd rather have the cop and his gun than a private citizen and his gun
the cop has a whole lot more training than most citizens

[razor02097]

Ohio law...

Unless you have a CCW you can not carry a loaded firearm in public... period.  You must separate ammunition and the firearm and to avoid trouble do not load magazines while you are transporting.

To get a CCW you must have a MINIMUM of a 12 hour training course, a squeaky clean background and cough up all the fees.  They take your fingerprints also.

If you are stopped during a traffic stop you are told its best to let the officer know that you have a license to carry a concealed firearm and where that firearm is.  Then you wait for the officer to respond.  Usual response is both driver's and CCW licences and registration.  Sometimes they take your gun BUT THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT BACK if you don't give them a reason not to.  Big thing is if your sidearm is damage while in police hands THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE.  Some police don't bother and appreciate the citizens that let them know they are carrying.

Statistics show that police are in favor for citizens that step up to protect themselves.
Yeah some cops are d!$#s and push you to give up your rights; but the majority are not.

[schwebel]

I was pulled over armed about a month ago. In Ohio you are required to inform the officer first thing that you are carrying. I kept both hands on the wheel until he approached. I told him where my weapon was and asked him what he would like me to do. He asked me for my driver's license,CCL, and proof of insurance, and said "hang tight for a minute". He came back informed me I had a tailight out (I think he was scouring for drunks at 2am). He said get it fixed asap,....then he commented on my Jeep, and sent me on my merry way.

If he would have asked me for my weapon, I would have unloaded it and handed it to him no questions asked. I have no problem with surrendering my weapon to a LEO during a stop, as long as I get it back at the end.  

LOL,...another Ohioan beat me too the punchline....lol

[Raul CB750K1]

So you have the right to own firearms, and if you have a CCW, to carry them with you. The idea is that the firearm is for protecting you and your loved ones from harm, and I recall having read that the right to own firearms lies in the very core of "freedom" so the people could rise against a tyrant government, while an unarmed people will be at the mercy of their governments.

So you have the right to own and in some cases to carry firearms, but when asked by a police officer -that is the executive force of the government- you are forced to give it to him, and trust he will give it back to you. And when some of you have been stopped you have willingly confessed you have your weapons with you, and in some cases the officer haven't asked you to surrender your gun, but that's just because he didn't want to, not because he had not the right.

So my question is, how is it possible to have firearms for freedom from the government, but being willing to surrender them to the executive force of the government?

[Gordon]

So my question is, how is it possible to have firearms for freedom from the government, but being willing to surrender them to the executive force of the government?

You're making a very broad generalization based on one specific situation.  I suppose if every single legal hand gun owner in the entire country were simultaneously pulled over in a traffic stop and asked to hand over their weapons, then you may be on to something, but I don't see that ever actually happening.   

[Inigo Montoya]

Check the link and guess how many of the guys arrested voted for Obama.

So because they are black and criminals they automatically voted obama? Is that the assumption you are trying to make here?
So then that means that aall the people on this site that voted obama are black and criminals?

Might want to watch that profiling there Mr Bound.

[Raul CB750K1]

So my question is, how is it possible to have firearms for freedom from the government, but being willing to surrender them to the executive force of the government?

You're making a very broad generalization based on one specific situation.  I suppose if every single legal hand gun owner in the entire country were simultaneously pulled over in a traffic stop and asked to hand over their weapons, then you may be on to something, but I don't see that ever actually happening.   

I didn't pretend to make a generalization. A right is a right and shouldn't have exceptions. If you have the right of speech, you can say what you think about anybody, even about the President without it getting you into trouble. If you have the right to own or carry firearms, you have the right, but if such a right can be suspended according to a police officer mood of the day or impression he has of you, then that is not a right but a permission that can be suspended.  Yes, we could say that you have the right to own a firearm but you need permission to carry it with you, but if a police officer can suspend your permission and confiscate your firearm, even for one single second, what do you want the ownership right if you can't get hold of the owned thing?


It is like cars: you can own them but you don't have the right to drive them. You must qualify and pass some exam to get a permit, and that permit can be suspended, but the suspension won't eliminate the right of ownership. Government doesn't confiscate cars to suspended people, but they do confiscate firearms -as I say, even for a few minutes-. What is more, if you own and carry a firearm is to protect yourself. You may agree that the cop will feel safer if he holds your gun during the stop. If you don't feel unconfortable with the situation, it is because you feel protected when the cop is in charge of the situation. But if you carry your weapon with you, wouldn't you want to carry it at all times? Even with a cop beside you? After all, it could happen that a bank robbery goes on while the traffic stop -like in the "Heat" movie- and if the cop has your gun in the car, you have to rely on him for protection if the bullets start to fly all over the place.

[Inigo Montoya]

I didn't make a guess. reason being is a lot of white and black upstanding people voted for obama. So who you vote for in that instance has no bearing on whether a person is a criminal or not. Local level is probably no different. If the guy got elected, you can bet that it was not criminals that voted him in office.

[MRieck]

dont mention the gun unless specifically asked if you have a weapon or if it's in the glove box where your paperwork is.

Exactly