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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2010, 04:35:43 PM »
It's November and I finally took the time to hit up the dyno.  Mark the guy who provided the TIG work for final welding on the bike took purchase of a DynoJet dyno this September and this weekend I swung by with the CB.  The bike had 4 pulls and successively increased the horsepower a bit more and more each time. This was in part from Mark raising the peak RPM from 9.25k to about 10k on the last pull.  The numbers were as follows.

87 RWHP
94 RWHP
96 RWHP
101 RWHP

This is with 93 octane pump gas, 8 PSI, stock spark timing and still stock motor.  I'd love to wake up that turbo a bit more and sit it at 12-15 psi with race gas and some spark timing yanked.. but I'm not 100% if the motor would start to object sooner than later if it's allowed to play there?. :)  All in all I'm pleased with the results!  I'll post the dyno graph when I get the .jpg of it. Forgive my 30min crash course with video editing.. work in progress.  :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3wsQRz2R60
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3wsQRz2R60[/youtube]


Wow, that is just awesome. Great work!!
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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #101 on: November 14, 2010, 11:33:45 PM »
Thankya all!  Brain, if you ever have questions regarding your tentative project do hit up the forums and ask.

Tonight I retrieved the dyno files, downloaded winpep7 from Dynojet, and took a screen capture of the last pull the CB took.  While zooming/scaling into the A/F curve and rescaling it I found that I was a bit more lean than I originally interpreted.  The Innovate wide band that's on the bike (calibrated a few weeks ago) usually sees ~11.8 through out the gears and is fairly consistent (aside from a bit rich from initial WOT). ???  The dyno's WB had recorded a A/F average of ~12.1 with the highest hitting 12.2.  This isn't out of the ballpark from what the bike's WB is seeing and is good for optimizing for power, but starts to creep out the safety headroom that I would prefer with pump gas, 8 psi, and no spark retard at all.  Just have to take it easy in the colder 30-50 degree F weather and it will be A-OK when it 70+F.  I did drop from 130 mains to 125s in September, could always resort back to the 130s and get the safety margin back that way too.  Guess the dyno WB could be off a bit too and this could be all moot! :)  

Edited to add: This is a 3rd gear pull with standard correction factor and graph smoothing at 5 (4th gear lugs the bikes too much, tried 2nd gear for the first run, and settled with 3rd for the rest).  I played with all the different corrections and smoothing factors and the results net a RWHP high of 102.08 (DIN, smoothing=0) and a low of 98.75 (EEC, smoothing=5), so the STD w/smoothing=5 seems fairly average.  The inductive pickup wasn't cooperating and thus no torque values unfortunately.  When ever the bike visits again I hope we have more time to get the pickup working properly.

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2010, 12:58:26 PM »
Hey bamboozler, nice job on the build, Ive been following this thread since you started with the t3. About a year ago i picked up a GT15 which looks near perfect for a stock motor. Anyway, have you had any detonation problems given stock timing and static compression? I had done some basic math and thought 5-6psi was about the safe limit on pump gas(93), but your results seem to show differently. Have you tried anything else with either a couple degrees of static retard(though given the higher rpm where you hit boost, your low end would probably suffer considerably), or found any other timing retard options? I know there are ignition systems out there, but they cost $$$.

Anyway, thanks for the detailed build documentation, You have me feeling very confident about my bike, now that you have done all of the trial and error for the rest of us to work from.

Thanks!

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #103 on: December 15, 2010, 12:35:32 AM »
Hey Ryan, thanks and awesome to hear your taking a spin with a turbo setup!  Do post up a build thread when you start getting some picture fodder generated.  I think you're spot on with the GT15.  The current setup with the slightly larger Chinese turbo is in my opinion lacking a bit with the delay in boost.  Granted it's easy to find (boost) and a hellva blast when in it, but I would dig to have it just a bit more accessible, where you could get a good nip at it when more causally going through the gears.  In any case as mentioned I think you'll see just that with the GT15.

As far as the detonation goes, it's something that's always been on my mind.  How much more boost could I get away with, is one more redline pull going to break her back???  ;D I haven't been that daring to push it any further.  I've gotten away with stock timing for enough miles to be comfortable with the current boost pressures that it's running, but would not consider raising the boost any further (with out at least race gas, a stout motor would be nice insurance too :)).  I've checked the plugs on occasion and as far as I can see and or tell there have been no deposits or specs of aluminum or other signs indicating detonation but don't feel too comfortable pushing my luck with the stock motor. 

As you've noted with the points ignition we're limited as for what can be done; shifting static timing you flatten your bottom end.  As we force feed the CBs cylinders via a turbo the combustion rate is increased due to the increase in cylinder pressures/load, with this the need/desire to retard the spark event to keep within the optimal torque range (and motor efficiency) which has moved closer toward top dead center would be a great benefit.  At the present with 8 psi I could benefit from pulling a bit of spark timing to keep up with that optimal spark territory, or hit up the dyno to find where it's at.  Keeping it as it is with stock timing is playing to impending preignition.  The ignitions that are out on the market that have ignition retard/advance don't come cheap.  The Dyna 2000 is probably what I would be pushing myself, but that leads me to another fun project I'm playing with.

One of the toys that I'm working on that I've vaguely made mention of recently in this thread is something to combat just this situation that you brought up. On the conception of building the turbo bike I thought a microprocessor controlled iggy would be the perfect compliment to the turbo.  So off and on with the help of some friends I have been pushing forward a processor controlled ignition that has timing control as one of its features.  I don't really like to speak of vapor ware, and technically that is what it is as of right now, but the first proto circuit layout out is for the most part done (final tweaking yet) and first round of software just about there as well.  Hoping that by spring time, no later than early summer (knock on wood), there will be something fairly solid; it has some useful features as well (rev limit, shift light, tentatively more battery efficiency at low RPM, and a few others) .  If it turns out to work well I hope to offer it to the community with the goal of making it a good value for the feature set it has.  I'll speak more of it if and when it comes closer to becoming a reality.

Hope I answered your questions, if not fire back with some more!
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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #104 on: December 16, 2010, 12:21:59 PM »
Thanks for the info, its been great seeing your progress. Hopefully ill start my build in January(tax return!), its just a matter of time and money. Ill take some pics along the way and try to document everything. Keep us updated on the ignition.

BTW my GT15 is a Chinese variety as well, so it good to know that yours is still running well.

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #105 on: December 20, 2010, 08:28:20 PM »
Wow that is freakin sick....Its like what I do w/ computers, but on a bike. I always wanted to turbo my bug ...this just proves why. Damn nice.

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #106 on: December 25, 2010, 06:22:56 PM »
Bamboozler: This is one of the finest detailed one-off turbo builds I have seen. Truly amazing meticulous workmanship..you are an extremely talented person. Only those who have done something similar know all the forthought that you have had.................And I do know what it took!!!

 



Although mine has an extra camshaft and is fuel injected, I had to overcome all the same big and little problems as you. Going through your posts was like reading my own build story. My turbo is a Mitsubishi TD03 8G. I keep my boost around 7.5 psi. I love the turbo. I'm an old guy, so I don't get carried away with crazy driving...but it feels sooooo good knowing that so much extra power is there..with just a quick twist! Question...Do you now feel like the bike is missing one more top end gears?...lol. Myself, I keep wanting to shift into a higher gear..it's almost like you are only in third or forth!

Thank you so much for taking the time to take and post pictures of this sweet build; Clifford

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #107 on: December 28, 2010, 10:24:55 PM »
Clifford, sweet header fab yourself!  You look to be quite the metal magician.  :) Speaking of forethought, your header had to take quite some thought to snake around with the minimal clearances.  Slick way to handle the exhaust, short and tucked out of the way with muffling ta boot, looks beautiful!  Props on the bike, love to see a build thread for it!!!

Thanks, I appreciate the words; (that goes to RyanLilly and Free Booter as well).  As noted prior the project was a fun as hell and I hope the thread detail helps others tackle similar.  I thank the countless threads I poured over throughout the web on the subject when researching and fabbing.  I’m sure you’d agree that crafting is equal if not more enjoyable than playing with the end product.  Can be frustrating at times, but in most cases any oopsie can be fix with your welder, cutoff wheel and or grinder; or the purchase of more metal stock (be there before:).  :D  I agree with the love of boost. The concept of having variable horse power with the turn of a boost controller is such a selling point.  The sound of the spooling compressor and the pull to match… really do dig it!  Thanks again for posting the pics of your turbo bike!

Regarding you question, I think the turbo I have is tailored for the highway.  I never have laided into it long enough to find the end of it's pull.  I know excessive speed is on the public roads is not the best match, and I don't flirt with Jonny law often, but the times I have had an empty stretch of highway I've called it quits well before the bike was wanting to stop.  The only thing that didn't stop was the grin on my face. :)  I can relate with the phantom shifter problem though, that turbo just doesn't want to give up. No shortage of fun!
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« Reply #108 on: January 08, 2011, 04:45:40 PM »
Bamboozler, this is amazing! Thank you for posting and explaining everything so well. I have learned a lot from this, and this has also led me to learn more from other resources.
Did you ever get your clutch to stop slipping? Did you have room for an extra plate or two?

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #109 on: January 09, 2011, 12:54:43 AM »
Thank Bamby, glad you find it useful.  I did get my clutch to stop slipping. I'm blaming myself for incorrectly setting the clutch cable. I preloaded the adjustment too much, to the point where it was "riding" or slightly disengaging. I didn't notice it slipping until upper RPM/boost. First off I thought it was the clutch not coping with the new turbo so I bought and installed an APE extra plate clutch and set the clutch adjustment bolt to the same location, however the clutch was still slipping ???.  Then the light turned on  :D and I backed the clutch adjustment nut off to were it just start to engage clutch release lever which stopped the slipping.

I don't know if the bike *needed* the APE clutch but I'm sticking with it. The extra plates are a bit less forgiving when releasing the clutch, there's less generous slipping to start moving like the stock clutch gives.  Took a bit to get use.
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« Reply #110 on: January 09, 2011, 07:46:34 PM »
Well, its good you got it solved one way or another! I'm amazed at the aftermarket for your bike! My 1984 cb700sc isn't supported nearly as much.
Is there any reason you couldn't have just popped an extra stock plate into the clutch pack? Or does the APE kit have thinner plates and more of them, resulting in the clutch pack thickness being stock?
Must be nice not having to worry about that slippage anymore  8). But, if you're like me, your bike is probably stuck in the garage for the next couple of months. Boy, I cannot wait for next riding season. ;D

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #111 on: January 10, 2011, 09:25:00 AM »
You're right on the stock plates being a bit too thick to add another plate, at least from what I can see. The APE and other aftermarket clutches (think Dynoman and others have similar) come with 9 fibers vs the 7 that are in the stock clutch pack.  I started a thread about my slipping and incorrect clutch received by APE (DOHC clutch) and posted what I measured the clutch pack thicknesses to be.  For what its worth see below, posting the measurements again may help someone.

I hear ya, the bike is in hibernation for the moment. In the mean time I have a new to me Yamaha RX-1 sled I picked up at the start of winter and I'm looking for snow to have some fun, but the lack there of (snow) around my area is starting to really disappoint.  It is however starting to push the mindset back to the bike fun and games.  Another 2.5 months at it will be that time again!



"With a caliper I measured three flavors of the whole assembled clutch, from the pressure plate to the clutch center that fibers and steels slide over.  The three flavors were the original stock clutch, the clutch assembled with all 9 fibers from the APE kit, and lastly the APE kit with the thicker "B" fiber that Eurban suggested.  Numbers are below, maybe someone will find it useful.  

Stock clutch with 7 used Honda fibers (78 750F, ~15,000 miles unless changed by the PO) ~2.225-2.230 (averaging the measurement from around the stack)

APE clutch with all 9 fibers ~2.200

APE Clutch with 8 fibers and the thicker Honda "B" fiber ~2.240-2.245
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measurement taken reference pic

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« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2011, 08:18:38 AM »
Kevinr13 your inbox is full, hope ya see this, didn't want to start a thread with this as the subject.
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« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2011, 07:54:46 PM »
Interesting! I was wondering how they got the extra surface area into the same clutch pack...
I hope you get some good use outta that rx-1 before cycle season gets here, cause that sounds like a GOOD time!

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« Reply #114 on: January 15, 2011, 07:53:58 PM »
Sorry about that. Its cleared out now

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #115 on: February 14, 2011, 10:57:36 PM »
With an attempt to save on the CB's fragile/smaller output charging system, it was decided to feed the power thirsty fuel pump with a voltage regulator.  This helped to ration the power it was allowed to consume (the pump is well overkill for the requirements of the CB). The MSD 2225 pump measures around 66 watts (12V @ 5.5A) when fed with 12VDC.  I found that at 7.5V was a good input voltage to feed the pump to maintain pressure at up to 15-16 psi of boost (20psi pump output pressure with the 1:1 rise).  I could have tested it further than 15-16 psi on the regulators vacuum line, but fuel started pouring out of the over flows at the 20psi they were seeing.:) For the smaller 8 psi I could have probably gotten away with 5V but gave a bit of overhead at 7.5V.  I used National Semiconductor's WEBENCH designer to kick out a circuit that fit the requirements for the voltage regulator http://www.national.com/analog. I ended up using the recommended regulator, the LM22678-ADJ.  After buying the components and National's LM22678 proto pcb from www.Digikey.com and www.coilcraft.com it was all soldered together and wired up. The pump went from drawing 66 watts to around 15 watts and still performs as well as before!  I have yet to do this with the oil pump.

Hello. Great setup and thanks for documenting this project so well. I have turbo project as well and I have problems with MDS 2225 putting too much gas out + eating battery. I am not capable of doing that LM22678, so do you think that item similiar to this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12-Volt-6-Volt-Heater-Blower-Motor-Voltage-Reducer-/330528343867?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf506473b would work as well? Or do you have any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #116 on: February 15, 2011, 12:50:47 AM »
hi jason ,
in case it helps , im running the timing on the 400/4 with the advance weight springs off , so it runs fixed timing . i use 24 degrees on 8.5:1 cr ,and have run up to 15 psi with no probs ,thats where the clutch gave up at 85 bhp . so you could  try that on your timing .
just do it .

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #117 on: February 15, 2011, 10:16:23 AM »
With an attempt to save on the CB's fragile/smaller output charging system, it was decided to feed the power thirsty fuel pump with a voltage regulator.  This helped to ration the power it was allowed to consume (the pump is well overkill for the requirements of the CB). The MSD 2225 pump measures around 66 watts (12V @ 5.5A) when fed with 12VDC.  I found that at 7.5V was a good input voltage to feed the pump to maintain pressure at up to 15-16 psi of boost (20psi pump output pressure with the 1:1 rise).  I could have tested it further than 15-16 psi on the regulators vacuum line, but fuel started pouring out of the over flows at the 20psi they were seeing.:) For the smaller 8 psi I could have probably gotten away with 5V but gave a bit of overhead at 7.5V.  I used National Semiconductor's WEBENCH designer to kick out a circuit that fit the requirements for the voltage regulator http://www.national.com/analog. I ended up using the recommended regulator, the LM22678-ADJ.  After buying the components and National's LM22678 proto pcb from www.Digikey.com and www.coilcraft.com it was all soldered together and wired up. The pump went from drawing 66 watts to around 15 watts and still performs as well as before!  I have yet to do this with the oil pump.


Hello. Great setup and thanks for documenting this project so well. I have turbo project as well and I have problems with MDS 2225 putting too much gas out + eating battery. I am not capable of doing that LM22678, so do you think that item similiar to this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/12-Volt-6-Volt-Heater-Blower-Motor-Voltage-Reducer-/330528343867?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4cf506473b would work as well? Or do you have any recommendations?

Thanks in advance.




Hey Agathon, hope you're having fun with the project, love to see whacha got going at some point. I haven't tried a power resistor inline with the pump but I'm thinking it would be simple and quick fix for your battery problems.  It should/could knock down the voltage to somewhere around half, all depends on the value of the resistor (if you match the impedance of the pump windings your should be halving the supply voltage if I'm thinking correctly). 

Ideally you would want a regulator because it will provide a fixed voltage to the pump no matter if the battery/alternator output on the bike swings from (example) 12.5VDC at idle to 13.8VDC or so at 5000 RPM.  With the series resistor it will vary the voltage that the pump will see and drift your regulated fuel pressure lock step with the rise and fall of your bike's battery voltage.  This in turn could mess with your A/F ratios.  How much?  Not quite sure, you'd have to throw the resistor in the system and see. You might find that it doesn't show much variance in fuel pressure at all, or it many be enough to want to seek out a voltage reg.  In any case you may very well be better off than running down a battery every time it runs.

If you do shoot for the resistor and it doesn't provide the results you're looking for, or if you want to jump right to a Vreg, PM me and I'll help you get a Vreg if you'd like one.
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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #118 on: February 15, 2011, 10:46:57 AM »
hi jason ,
in case it helps , im running the timing on the 400/4 with the advance weight springs off , so it runs fixed timing . i use 24 degrees on 8.5:1 cr ,and have run up to 15 psi with no probs ,thats where the clutch gave up at 85 bhp . so you could  try that on your timing .

Hey Robert, hope all is well! Thanks for mentioning that value, that personal experience is like gold.  Out of curiosity could you tell me what full advance with the advance weights in place your 400/4 has?  How much are your retarding from full advance? I know the CB750s are 35 degrees at total advance from TDC (25 degree advance from 10 degrees base timing).  This will be something that I'm going to have to tip toe into when I get to start playing with this iggy I'm working on.  How much additional boost could I get away with while pulling x degrees of timing while keep the limitations of the stock motor in mind.  That's why I appreciate providing the numbers you've found to work for your app.  Also, are you running high octane or pump gas at 15psi with 24 degrees timing?

Excited to start working with this iggy, fun project so far.  I should be getting the firmware to blast to the processor tomorrow.  I've soldered up 5 units for testing.  I'll have to start another project thread to explain a bit about it when its verified not to self destruct on first power up.  :D Here's a few pics of the purdy lil guy.  :)




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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #119 on: February 15, 2011, 11:10:50 AM »
i think its about the same jason ,around 34 degrees max . i was using shell v max , 99 octane uk method , which i think is the same as your 95 ?not sure though id have to look at my books to remind me lol.
on the 500 twin , i ran 15 psi on a 9 :1 cr ,with a mistaken 26 degrees .this was great in the cold , in the hot it annihilated a piston ...






note the interesting imprint of the end of the gudgeon pin in the underside of the piston .;)

felt a little like someone had hit the side of the engine with a sledge hammer ,at around 110 mph .

its now on 8.5:1 and 23 degrees .
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« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2011, 12:07:03 PM »
Well then... that's one trophy I wish never to win! :o  

Again, I appreciate the numbers.  8 degrees or so retarded with 9:1 static C/R at 15psi saw it's limits exceeded, and then resetting to 11 or so degrees retard with 8.5:1 at 15psi found itself to be acceptable in the eyes of your motor.  That gives a good indication of the make or break point for your application.  Gives at least some loose guidelines to follow when applying to the 750/4.

At the pump here in Wisconsin you can usually expect to see 87/89/91 octane, with the high around 93 in some places.  This is with 10% ethanol blended in, and I think a recently passed or proposed a law may increase the ethanol content.  

Still dig on your Mito, looks way too fun, I like the power:weight! I would love to take on a turbo project with more modern mono shock/frame someday.
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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2011, 01:34:46 PM »
Hey Agathon, hope you're having fun with the project, love to see whacha got going at some point. I haven't tried a power resistor inline with the pump but I'm thinking it would be simple and quick fix for your battery problems.  It should/could knock down the voltage to somewhere around half, all depends on the value of the resistor (if you match the impedance of the pump windings your should be halving the supply voltage if I'm thinking correctly). 

Ideally you would want a regulator because it will provide a fixed voltage to the pump no matter if the battery/alternator output on the bike swings from (example) 12.5VDC at idle to 13.8VDC or so at 5000 RPM.  With the series resistor it will vary the voltage that the pump will see and drift your regulated fuel pressure lock step with the rise and fall of your bike's battery voltage.  This in turn could mess with your A/F ratios.  How much?  Not quite sure, you'd have to throw the resistor in the system and see. You might find that it doesn't show much variance in fuel pressure at all, or it many be enough to want to seek out a voltage reg.  In any case you may very well be better off than running down a battery every time it runs.

If you do shoot for the resistor and it doesn't provide the results you're looking for, or if you want to jump right to a Vreg, PM me and I'll help you get a Vreg if you'd like one.

Thanks for reply. I´ll do a topic out of the project quite soon. I thought also that if I´d put for example 5 diodes in series, it would drop down the voltage approximately to 7,5v, so I would be at the same point as where scartail is and slow down the motor. But then I noticed that even it drops down the voltage, the power it (whole pump & diode set) consumes would be the same. Isn´t that so? Because those diodes eat out the power anyway. And actually I didn´t thought about that fact, that voltage & power keeps changing all the time. Have to ask about that resistor thing also from some electric component shop. I´d like to find voltage regulator, which is adjustable, so I can make it to put out 7,5v or even 5v. How it affects to power (Amps), the pump sucks, I don´t know. If you know some good one, I am interested. I live in Finland, but can pay with Paypal. Just have to know, what to buy.

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2011, 02:46:44 PM »
Thanks for reply. I´ll do a topic out of the project quite soon. I thought also that if I´d put for example 5 diodes in series, it would drop down the voltage approximately to 7,5v, so I would be at the same point as where scartail is and slow down the motor. But then I noticed that even it drops down the voltage, the power it (whole pump & diode set) consumes would be the same. Isn´t that so? Because those diodes eat out the power anyway. And actually I didn´t thought about that fact, that voltage & power keeps changing all the time. Have to ask about that resistor thing also from some electric component shop. I´d like to find voltage regulator, which is adjustable, so I can make it to put out 7,5v or even 5v. How it affects to power (Amps), the pump sucks, I don´t know. If you know some good one, I am interested. I live in Finland, but can pay with Paypal. Just have to know, what to buy.

That's another good idea that Scartail had and should work as well. Adding diodes inline or 'series' with the pump should drop the pump voltage to a level that you should find suitable.  The diodes would have to be individually rated to withstand more current than the pump should ever see; probably twice or more to be comfortable.   This will be less efficient than using a regulator (heat released from diodes or resistors) but will get the job done. You will still have to see if the voltage fluctuation will bother your A/F ratio at all.  Kinda think it wont give you too much grief, full generator output is seen by upper 2k-3kRPM if I'm thinking correctly. If anything it would mess with your fuel pressure at lower RPMs; and how much??  Your 3,000 RPM+ should have constant/consistent voltage at the pump.

In the mean time I'll do some looking to see if I can help find you a plug and play regulator to purchase online.  I also wouldn't mind taking on the project of laying out a Vreg circuit in copper, was planning on doing so eventually anyway to help better fit it in an enclosure.  I just recently bought circuit board etching equipment and was looking to layout a small board to try it out.  Copying the National Vreg circuit reference circuit that I'm using or one similar should be simple enough to give me that opportunity.  Resistor, diode, or Vreg, you'll soon get past your issue.
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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #123 on: February 16, 2011, 01:30:53 PM »
Answered to inbox mail, thanks.

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Re: 78 CB750F Turbo, post build review
« Reply #124 on: May 24, 2011, 09:04:22 AM »
Just happened upon this thread, and you can consider me a fan. :)
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