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Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« on: December 16, 2005, 05:04:02 PM »
got rubber boot off. How the hell do I get into it from there? I have that tool, cant figure out how to use it. Im an IDIOT. Help me.

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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2005, 06:09:47 PM »
Did you also get the little wire "C" ring out that holds the dust boot in?
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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2005, 06:36:00 PM »
There's a C clip in a slot. The C clip has two small holes that allow you to compress it with a tool (thereby reducing diameter) and allowing the clip to be removed.
Do you have the tool needed to remove the C clip? It looks like a plier with two small points at the ends.
Once the clip is out you should be able to push the components out from the other side.

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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2005, 10:05:14 PM »
That's the normal question when trying a master rebuild for the first time.
There is no easy way. You have to press in the piston a bit while compressing the circlip for removal. The access hole is barely big enough to let one tool in, let alone 2 tools while you somehow see what you're doing. It can be done. You NEED circlip pliers with long jaws and may need to file/grind them to fit.
Definitely mount the unit firmly in a vise, soft jaws or blocks are needed.
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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2005, 03:32:55 AM »
There is no circlip that i can see under or around where the rubber boot was. The rubber boot is off. Looks like a piston with a cap in the end. Lots of crud on it. How do I get this cap off?

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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2005, 03:38:55 AM »
Is there another thread going on this??

Any way, there is a circlip in there. Without it everything would fall out. Take a look at this diagram and then look again.

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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2005, 08:38:45 AM »
Use spray brake cleaner and a Q-tip or brush to clean the area. You'll need brake cleaner to clean the disassembled unit anyway. Once clean, you should see the end of the piston (#3 in the diagram) sticking through the washer (#7) with the circlip (#25) holding the washer in. The spring clip (#5) that held in the rubber boot thingy might still be in there, it's easy to pull out with a small screwdriver or a dental pick.
You need an internal circlip tool with very very small pins and a long reach, not a standard combination unfortunately. Sears has an angled model that you can file the pins down (to fit the tiny holes) and use.
Once apart, clean the housing thoroughly with a bottle brush and soapy wate and dry. Clean out the bypass hole with a strand of copper wire and then spray inside the cylinder liberally with brake cleaner and let it dry without wiping (so no lint from your wiper gets in). Lay out the new parts in order, then spray them individually and leave to air dry. Put some newspaper under a clean shop towel and get a clean bowl. Pour new brake fluid through the cylinder into the bowl, coating the internal parts. Set it down on the towel, then take each internal part in order and dip it in the fluid in the bowl then insert into the cylinder.
Once the piston and washer are in, you get to insert the new circlip. This is easier than getting the old one out but still a feat. If you get it set square in the outer bore you can slide it down into the groove if you're very careful with a screwdriver or easily if you have some tubing that will push the clip and clear the piston. Check it's fully seated before installing the rubber boot and spring clip.

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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2005, 10:10:02 AM »
Bodi's excellent description only needs one amendment.  Get yourself some brake parts assembly lube and use that instead of brake fluid for assembly.

Why?
Well brake fluid is hygroscopic.  Meaning it will absorb water from the humidity in the air and then place it in contact with the metal parts of the master cylinder with ensuing corrosion.

The assembly fluid spans the seal between the brake fluid environment and the atmosphere. (I don't count that rubber dust boot near the lever which is prone to cracking anyway.)
 So, if there were brake fluid instead of assembly lube, on the atmosphere side, these pieces will corrode much more quickly than if it were left dry.  Assembly lube does offer some protection from corrosion.  When that snap ring rusts, removal is very, very difficult.

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Re: Getting to master cylinder parts CB400f
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2005, 01:01:15 PM »
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Get yourself some brake parts assembly lube and use that instead of brake fluid for assembly.

Hmm, now you tell me.  :( Oh well, will keep in mind the next time and there will be one. I have a M/C that has been reanodized to mount.
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