Author Topic: The reason why the 750 market is heading out of sight (Read 3462 times)

jsaab2748 · « **on:** December 10, 2005, 02:00:24 PM »

Just my opinion. Count the number of things that are advertized as correct but aren't. This thing didn't sell the first time around about a month ago. The bike itself might be ok, but to hype it this way? C'mon

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ElCheapo · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2005, 02:40:21 PM »

They do say if you want to be heard you have to be louder than the rest. I guess is beats "This bike is a rea true POS". Its nice afterall isn't it?

jsaab2748 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2005, 03:01:04 PM »

Agreed. I don't think that it's such a bad bike, just that after studying the pics, you can pick things out that you know aren't correct and or original. But they advertise it that way, which stirs up the hype about cb 750s and how much they're worth. And the prices rise. Seems like the american muscle car market went the same way.
What's a GTO in trashed condition cost nowadays? I get a little sour about it cause I can't find another bike to restore (and just enjoy) for a reasonable price. Again, just my opinion. This isn't the most blatant example like this I've seen on ebay by far, just interested in others opinions.

TwoTired · « **Reply #3 on:** December 10, 2005, 03:18:34 PM »

I thought it went like this:

The price is too high if you want to buy it.
The price is too low if you want to sell it.

Caveate emptor!

I'm afraid I don't know enough nuances of correctness for the CB750 to know what the errors are! (Isn't the airbox supposed to be unit color?)

It looks like a nice bike though. If that was what I wanted, I'd probably go up to $2K for it. Otherwise, there are a lot of other bikes on the market. And, if I wanted to restore one, why would I want one that good looking to begin with? Unless it it was really cheap, of course! Otherwise, someone else can buy the maintenence for it.

My opinion....of course.

Bob Wessner · « **Reply #4 on:** December 10, 2005, 04:08:34 PM »

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(Isn't the airbox supposed to be unit color?)

Airbox the same color as the body work ended with the K0 (and not just sandcast). From the K1 on Honda seems to have made some cost saving changes, like airboxes.. all black, others included the headlight shell and fork ears. Maybe they had to find ways to pay for those expensive engine case castings.

jsaab2748 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 10, 2005, 04:17:17 PM »

I base my (probably biased) opinion on my own k5. It's about 99% correct/restored. Makes me a little overly picky sometimes.

GroovieGhoulie · « **Reply #6 on:** December 10, 2005, 07:04:32 PM »

Looks like it has a 500/550 tach. I can't recall a 750 that had a 9200 RPM redline.

Jim Shea · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2005, 03:08:30 AM »

You think they are pricey in the US, try buying that bike in the Uk if it is as it says, you would pay 2500+ pounds($4000+)
I do not think that these bikes have reached mega popularity here in the UK, maybe it's because it killed the UK bike industry, even though we know the UK bike industry committed suicide!

jsaab2748 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2005, 05:34:35 AM »

I noticed that the speedometer is from a k6 model, which makes it newer than the bike is. Since it is newer, how can the mileage claim be correct? I never noticed the incorrect tach

I must be slipping....Being a selfish american, I never thought of how the market might be in other countries.
It's good to be an educated consumer, don't you think?

Jim Shea · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2005, 06:07:41 AM »

Even 'messed with' bikes here in the UK go for a $1000 plus plus. I have seen Ks with 4 in to 1 and wrong wheels etc sell for $1500 plus!

pmpski_1 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 11, 2005, 10:29:40 AM »

This guy wants 2k "firm" and the bike doesn't even run. I dunno, maybe the seat is a super rare factory "upgrade" $:-\$

http://seattle.craigslist.org/mcy/117279004.html

ElCheapo · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2005, 10:45:02 AM »

Quote from: pmpski_1 on December 11, 2005, 10:29:40 AM

This guy wants 2k "firm" and the bike doesn't even run. I dunno, maybe the seat is a super rare factory "upgrade" $:-\$

http://seattle.craigslist.org/mcy/117279004.html

I would rather ride hundreds of miles without a seat than be caught for one minute with that thing under me! I really wish people would stop trying to turn Honda SOHC's into Hardley Furgusons. If they wanted a tractor then why dont they go out and buy one?

6pkrunner · « **Reply #12 on:** December 11, 2005, 05:20:04 PM »

These guys will try anything. they see a market that is hot and will put something up for sale at a ridiculous price. But if he gets it from some sucker - who's in?

I am in no way endorsing scamming or gouging huge money, but there are many who will given an opportunity. Caveat emptor.

Jim Shea · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2005, 05:29:46 AM »

Who buys these types of bikes without any research before hand? I suppose Ebay is the provence of the deranged impulse buyer?

Gordon · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2005, 05:40:55 AM »

Deranged impulse buyer? That's an entertaining mental image.

Jim Shea · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2005, 05:45:16 AM »

Thinking about it; I bought my F1 as an Ebay impulse buy. I put a bid on it convinced that I would not get it and the rest is history.

SteveD CB500F · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2005, 05:54:07 AM »

Jim - should we now call you "Three Jags"

Sorry you others - UK political joke as our deputy PM has "Two Jags"

Jim Shea · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2005, 05:57:20 AM »

Steve,
No just 2 jags, a MK2 and the S1 racing car. The XJS was a previous racing car that I owned.
Jim.

eldar · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2005, 08:52:52 AM »

That seat is a bad recover of a 78K seat. I like the seat design but the recover job is very bad. The seat is more comfortable than the flat pancake seats ofthe earlier 750s. You have to wonder what else is not original. It still looks good but that does not make itright to be misleading.

toycollector10 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2005, 01:05:22 AM »

Hi Guys, I have been on eBay most nights off and on for about four years. Prices have been doubling for early 750's about every 18 months or so...It's a 'happening thing', (I'm stuck inthe '70's).

It doesn't matter how a bike is described on the eBay auction forum, the pictures tell it all, and still we bid. I paid over $5000 US for a tidy K0 and expect it to double in value within the next five years. As Vic World said, the barn finds are drying up and there aren't many left out there anymore. I have been buying and selling antiques and collectables for over 30 years and feel qualified to state that I have a feel for the market.

Vic World: I admire and respect what he does. He produces a beautiful product, frame and engine closely matched, lots of NOS, but if he hasn't restored an original bike it is a bit of a mirage. If he matches a sandcast frame with another sandcast engine you get a bike that was never manufactured, never came off the production line, to me it's there physically but it's not "real' if you know what I mean.

O.K, Pickey, pickey...but I would be interested in your thoughts......P.S. It would be fantastic to get Vic on this forum, seeing as he really is "Mr CB 750" and has probably forgotten more that most of us can remember about early 750's, so come on Vic, I know you'r lurking out there, we would love some input from you!!

Raul CB750K1 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 16, 2005, 04:00:18 AM »

Well toycollector, according to your nick, your 30 year experience in the market, and the fact that you paid 5 grand for a K0, I'm assuming that a CB750 is a good investment.

My two cents about Vic World and restored bikes. It's true that restoring a bike without replacing any part, that is, chroming bolts and nuts etc, can be considered more praiseworthy than replacing those bolts and nuts. Or even replacing your blinkers for some of a donor bike makes the bike, at least to your eye, faulted because "those are not the blinkers the bike left the factory from".

I've never been inside a motorcycle factory, but I assume that there is a production line, and lots of people (if not robots) are assembling the parts. When they need a bolt to install an engine, the bolt didn't left the bolt factory with a sign saying "destined for CB750 with frame number XXXX". It's just a bolt among a box full of bolts. The worker picked up that bolt like he/she could have picked up any other one. What's the difference if you replace that bolt/mirror/blinker/handlebar for another one, who left the same factory -or was even produced in the same batch.

So, to my understanding, if Vic World or anybody else buy a bike and replace the parts for new ones, there is nothing wrong in that restoration. Imagine the worker of the assembly line picks up a lens, and suddenly feels an itch in the back. He leaves the lens, scratch his back -or crotch- and pick up another lens. Which lens was destined to be in the bike? Maybe the first lens left the factory in another bike and now Vic is reinstalling it where it was suppoused to be.

Even when a World's bike have a frame number and engine number combination that was never assembled in the factory, what's the difference? The reason for the difference between frame and engine number is probably that they picked up the first engine in the line without considering to match the frame number. So, for me, the engine is like any other part in the bike.

Just my 2 euro cents...

Raul

Jim Shea · « **Reply #21 on:** December 16, 2005, 04:20:56 AM »

I would like to think they are an investment, but it is a cyclical process. You have to buy and sell at the right time; it is definitely not the right time to buy here in the UK, but it is a good time to sell! Prices seem to have reached a high(I am told) and there are very few true bargains to be had!
My experience is of 'classic' cars, and I have seen a car sell for 25k, then a year later it can be bought for 15k, then a year later 10k, then it may go up again!
The bike below has just been sold for 5000 pounds and is on its way to Madrid! It is almost correct, except for the seat and mirrors, it is not concourse! and it does not have any engine numbers on the crankcase?

dusterdude · « **Reply #22 on:** December 16, 2005, 05:04:02 AM »

im not sure about these bikes,but in the car world a restoration has every part number that came on the car should be on the car ie:the alternator is a certain part number,the starter also and so on and so on.from what ive seen on my 750 not every part has a part number stamped into it.so who`s to say what came on it or not,i agree period correct would be good.but i still cant see any of these bikes selling for anywhere near where they are selling.

Jim Shea · « **Reply #23 on:** December 16, 2005, 05:06:50 AM »

The question is; what is original?? If you buy an original Honda part from DSS is that OK?

Raul CB750K1 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 16, 2005, 05:19:31 AM »

Jim, that bike is going to Madrid? Who is the seller and who is the buyer?

For that price I would have sold mine? It costed me 1200 euro, though it was a non-runner.

Raul

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