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Offline TwoTired

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Helmet rebuild kits?
« on: December 10, 2005, 06:11:07 PM »
I have a couple of older Shoei Helmets.  The outsides still look good, never been bashed or dropped with or without a head inside, and the internal styrofoam is still in perfect shape.  However, the soft comfort foam is deteriorating and some of the plastic "leatherette" is cracking and peeling.

Anybody know of rebuild kits available for these?  Or, perhaps a service outfit the relines these helmets?

Or, how, about leads to a company that does rebuild their helmet offerings.  Shoei and Arai don't, from what I understand.  They just expect you to buy another one every 5 years or so.  Good business for them, I suppose.  I will avoid them in favor of another company if they will support their product afterwards.

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Re: Helmet rebuild kits?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2005, 02:59:23 AM »
TT,
I agree with your sentiments, but; after a time the external integrity of the helmet degrades even if it has never been dropped. The surface of the helmet starts to deteriorate from air pollution, light, heat/cold etc. I have a 5 year old helmet that looks ok and has not been dropped, but I do not believe it is safe for use, hence why I have just bought a new one! There should be a 'crack test' for helmets, but I suppose it is cheaper just to buy a new one!
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2005, 04:42:08 PM »
Jim,
The shell of the Shoei helmets appear to be fiberglass.  The glass lasts virtually forever.  This stuff doesn't crack without some impact force or stress of some kind.  The resin binder does age, but easily lasts with nearly full integrity for 50 years plus if it is protected from UV and excessive heat (like 200plus degrees F).  There are some pretty old fiberglass boat hulls still in regular service and plenty strong for the job.
The paint or gelcoat of the helmet generally blocks the UV.  Plus, my helmets are white, which reflects almost the whole spectrum of sunlight.  This preserves the shell resin as well as keeps the head cool in the summer sun.

It is well documented that styrofoam also lasts for a very long time without breakdown if not exposed to UV radiation.  Surely you've heard of the big environmental concerns over styrofoam cups!

The shell and the styrofoam are what protect your noggin in an incident.  The soft foam is for comfort only and definately does degrade simply with age.  The ingredients that make foam soft are NOT stable over time.   Some foams are better than others in this regard.

Therefore, I'm going to need more than a simple statement that the protective parts of the helmet degrade simply from time.  Do you have any data, tests, or credible information to support your statement?  All my experience and information about these materials indicate otherwise.

I also speculate that helmet manufacturers purposely use soft foam formulas that degrade quickly to bolster their future sales figures.  That, and government lobbying for helmet laws, have ensured their financial future stability and growth.

I can find rebuild kits for nearly every type of sport helmet EXCEPT the motorcycle type.  Why is it safe to prolong the use of football, Hockey, firemans, police, climbing, and bicycle helmets, but not motorcycle?
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Re: Helmet rebuild kits?
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2005, 05:01:51 PM »
TwoTired,

To whatever extent it may, or may not bare on this discussion, found this interesting..

http://www.smf.org/headsup/headsup25.html#10

Sounds like five years is reasonable, perhaps more than reasonable. More than likely though, in five years there may be developments that obsolete what one is wearing in terms of new, max protection.
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2005, 05:36:05 AM »
TT,
Of course I don't have any data, I'm just passing on second hand information.  :)
It would be interesting to see some data; I agree the helmet manufacturers are only interested in selling helmets. Here in the UK we have to adhere to safety standards which are updated regularly. I know in the racing car world, we have to change helmets every so often as the official approval expires every few years. I assume the Gov't safety bodies are there to protect us, not to line the pockets of Shoei and the like. Having said that, the lobby groups are porbably paid large sums by the helmet mftrs to do just that?

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2005, 06:42:10 AM »
squawk!
all about the insurance money...RAAK!
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2005, 07:20:08 AM »
junkie,
What's got in to you today?
Have you been eating too much poultry?
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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2005, 07:47:20 AM »
TT I think I have the fix for you. You might have a good chance of getting those helmets done at a reappolstery shop. They should have no problem making the stuff you need. Please excuse the misspellings.

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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2005, 08:01:01 AM »
PHREE...you callin' me chickin?  MAWRK!!
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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2005, 08:02:36 AM »
I'm kind of ticked too.
I have a nice Shoei RF-5V that needs a new visor. I have not been able to find one.
I can still buy parts for my ten yeqar old Bell Helmet.
Why not for the more expensive Shoei?
The Shoei is a perfectly good helmet otherwise. The liner and cushions are still in great shape. I know I'm not gonna be buying another Shoei helmet...

-Duck

Jim Shea

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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2005, 08:04:59 AM »
I thought I had seen visors for sale, have a look here..
http://thevisorshop.com/acatalog/Main_Menu_Shoei_Visors_377.html

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2005, 08:43:45 AM »
It is not the shell of a helmet that really goes bad, it is the eps material(the styrofoam). This material hardens with age and does not provide the cushion and absorbtion as it gets older. Basically, you helmet becomes unsafe.

Not only that but manufactures keep making safer helmets and what was top of the line 5 years ago is not obsolete almost.
So by renewing your helmet every few years, you maintain and even increase your level of safety.

It does however suck to pay the aria or shoei prices. There are helmets that are equivalent for less cost though if you do not get hung up on brand names.

Also it is starting to appear that fiberglass helmets are not as good as poly helmets these days. Another thing to look at.

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Re: Helmet rebuild kits?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2005, 10:34:59 PM »
OH OH. You mean my Bell Star is no good? ;D

Learned my lesson a long time ago. When I bought my last 2 helmets I also bought 2 extra shields.

Now if I could get the slap marks off the sides where the wife keeps hitting me upside the helmet
screeching, "Slow Down!"
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2005, 04:28:02 AM »
Now if I could get the slap marks off the sides where the wife keeps hitting me upside the helmet
screeching, "Slow Down!"
michel
When that happens again, Pull in the clutch, rev the piss out of the engine, Drop the clutch, Problem gone....no more slap marks, and suddenly that screeching noise disappears!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2005, 04:36:47 AM »
Untl you get home, or she returns from the hospital(via the divorce lawyer), then you get a serious beating!!

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« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2005, 08:36:51 AM »
I dont mind the screeching, I just go faster and the wind carries the sound away! As for the slaps, well tight corners and heavy on the gas seems to take care of that! Even women learn after a while! ;D

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2005, 08:44:19 AM »
I dont mind the screeching, I just go faster and the wind carries the sound away! As for the slaps, well tight corners and heavy on the gas seems to take care of that! Even women learn after a while! ;D
eldy,heavy on the gas?,i know you aint talking about your k8.
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« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2005, 08:57:11 AM »
Ok you got me. I dont need to be heavy on the gas with a K8 I almost have to ride the brakes cause it goes so well!  I was mainly referring to PRE-K8!

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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2005, 08:58:53 AM »
hahahahahahaha  ;D
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