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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #101 on: October 15, 2009, 12:49:13 PM »
Okay.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/902213,CST-NWS-ayers18.article

It's been picked over pretty well but the relevant points

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Along the way, they met a rising political star named Barack Obama, who lived in their neighborhood.

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n the mid-1990s, Ayers and Dohrn hosted a meet-and-greet at their house to introduce Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate. In 2001, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's campaign. Ayers also served alongside Obama between December 1999 and December 2002 on the board of the not-for-profit Woods Fund of Chicago. That board met four times a year, and members would see each other at occasional dinners the group hosted.

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In addition, Ayers and Obama interacted occasionally in their roles with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge...

Obama chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge's board of directors. Ayers served on the Chicago School Reform Collaborative, which made recommendations to the board on which organizations should get grants. The groups worked on school-reform efforts between 1995 and 2000.

Make what you will from that of their chumminess.

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #102 on: October 15, 2009, 01:01:33 PM »
generally when making a claim like that, backing data is needed.

"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." Ayers' statement..


I don't know that I would argue Ayer's life story here and I don't think you mean to conflate this statement with Obama's attitudes either. So what are you trying to do?

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2009, 01:08:05 PM »
Soooo... when the government lied about the reasons we went to war in Vietnam (Gulf of Tonkin incident, and bs red scare baloney) were complete lies that was hunky-dorey?
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2009, 01:34:14 PM »
So because they interacted, they are friends? Fail to see how that works unless you just want it to be that way.
Guess since we all interact here, when one of us goes to jail, we should all be under suspicion then right?
I suppose everyone should be condemned for everything they do no matter how far back it was, even if no one was hurt.

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2009, 01:35:11 PM »
Under the terms that Bush used to define terrorist the forefathers of the US would be considered terrorists.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter- depends on your viewpoint.
 
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2009, 01:56:53 PM »
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Under the terms that Bush used to define terrorist the forefathers of the US would be considered terrorists.
And yet so many supported bush when any one of the forefathers had more thinking power in a finger than bush ever had.

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2009, 01:58:44 PM »
I am working hard to win vintage racing at PIR next season, and am hoping to breathe life back into that part of OMRRA. Yes I CAN!

Since I have so much hope to do well and make stuff good there, can I just get a trophy now?
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2009, 02:11:22 PM »
Is the panel run by Norwegians? If not then NO! ;D

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2009, 02:12:38 PM »
Is the panel run by Norwegians? If not then NO! ;D

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2009, 02:18:55 PM »
Yeah, only if you race in Oslo.
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2009, 02:45:24 PM »
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2009, 04:04:34 PM »
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Under the terms that Bush used to define terrorist the forefathers of the US would be considered terrorists.
And yet so many supported bush when any one of the forefathers had more thinking power in a finger than bush ever had.

generally when making a claim like that, backing data is needed.

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2009, 05:12:26 PM »
And when was there violence at "leftie" protests?

I know the challenge/question was about RECENT history, BUT...

some of the POTUS's friends from the Weather Underground come to mind.  And THAT was some very bad stuff.

Well if you want to bring up past associations what does this photo show?  Donald Rumsfeld, special envoy of Ronald Reagan and George Bush's defense secretary meeting Saddam Hussein in 1983 while the U.S. was supporting Iraq in it's war with Iran.  I guess Reagan and Bush both "pal around with terrorists".  Now THAT was some pretty bad stuff considering what Saddam did.  If you want to play guilt be association it works both ways.
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2009, 06:09:36 PM »
In response to the racism issue I saw an interesting study that showed it did not play a significant role in the election.  It compared the percentage of the white vote for Kerry in 04 and Obama and showed in all but three states it  was very similar and actually larger for Obama in many places( he won after all).  The three states where his percentage was noticeably lower where in the South.   Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia I believe.  This hardly means that racism is not a problem especially in the Republican party but these people are not voting Democratic anyway so it has little effect on the outcome.  Remember how the song "Barack the Magic Negro" was so popular in Republican circles, the different "watermelon" photos that spewed out of RNC allied groups, the constant attempts to portray him as a Muslim, intimating that somehow just being Muslim was bad.  Now we have the "Birthers" trying to prove that he really isn't one of "us".  All of this is pure racism and it is a big problem in the GOP and to somehow say it is not is just putting your head in the sand.  People here may not have these tendencies but passively accepting it, rationalizing it, or ignoring it is just as bad.
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2009, 06:52:09 PM »


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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2009, 07:24:04 PM »
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rac⋅ism
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–noun
1.    a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.    a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.    hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

I think that #3 is the answer to why the radical right is so angry.
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2009, 07:42:18 PM »
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Under the terms that Bush used to define terrorist the forefathers of the US would be considered terrorists.
And yet so many supported bush when any one of the forefathers had more thinking power in a finger than bush ever had.

Quote from: Inigo Montoya on Today at 03:29:51 pm
generally when making a claim like that, backing data is needed.
Afraid I dont get your point. Guess you didn't have one.
So everyone new rule set by joel, everyone has to provide data to back up an opinion.
Even though bush would never have the mental capacity to create an excellent document such as the Constitution.

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #118 on: October 15, 2009, 07:47:27 PM »
As for forgetfulness, seems the republicans are just as good it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/us/politics/30rudy.html?ex=1332907200&en=2f385ebdf2a2f93e&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

Whats funny though is much of what you think on that list is "forgetfulness" was also considered true by virtually all republicans at that time. I guess you must have memory failure too?

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2009, 08:51:14 PM »
OMG!!!!  Inigo Montoya is Eldar!  You can run, but you can't hide, Eldy.  Why do you keep trying to change your persona?  You can't re-invent yourself like Madonna!
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2009, 09:00:04 PM »
OMG!!!!  Inigo Montoya is Eldar!  You can run, but you can't hide, Eldy.  Why do you keep trying to change your persona?  You can't re-invent yourself like Madonna!

Oh come on, I thought it was going to better than this.  You're slackin' ;D.
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #121 on: October 15, 2009, 09:01:22 PM »
Why OMG I AM eldar!!!!! Oh wait I was vinmans brew but since I dont agree with BS republicanism, I guess i just have to get labeled. Like I said ed, once you show up, we all need to get the tin hats out.

Do you hear it ed? I do. I hear the black choppers! Run! Run and hide! The Obama nazis are coming for you! ::)

Holy crap, I am eldar. Whoa! srust is eldar! Damn! 333 is eldar. Holy #$%*, everyone who is against republicans is eldar!!!!

Ed, did you have a gay crush on him that got turned down?

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #122 on: October 15, 2009, 09:08:57 PM »
Bwaaaahaaaaahaaaaa!!!!!!   Gotcha Eldy!!!!!!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :P

Why OMG I AM eldar!!!!! Oh wait I was vinmans brew but since I dont agree with BS republicanism, I guess i just have to get labeled. Like I said ed, once you show up, we all need to get the tin hats out.

Do you hear it ed? I do. I hear the black choppers! Run! Run and hide! The Obama nazis are coming for you! ::)

Holy crap, I am eldar. Whoa! srust is eldar! Damn! 333 is eldar. Holy #$%*, everyone who is against republicans is eldar!!!!

Ed, did you have a gay crush on him that got turned down?
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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2009, 09:43:40 PM »
judging by the inevitable, and cliche, republican bashing this thread once again has veered off topic.
however, allow me to try and get back to the over arching topic of the thread as i see it; public perception of 'the one' was also addressed in this classic clip ;D

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Re: 2009 Nobel Peace Prize Winner
« Reply #124 on: October 15, 2009, 10:07:15 PM »
Well if you want to get it back on track, let's see where did it start.  Oh yeah, President Obama is given an Nobel Peace Prize by a panel of Norwegians on the Nobel Committee.  The President has no control of the nominating process or the selection of the winner.   Some might consider this an honor for our President and our country but even the President seemed a little surprised by it.  It could be reasonably argued that it may be somewhat premature but what is the response by some.  A name calling hissy fit attacking Obama that reinforces my earlier point that much of this is driven by pathetic sore loser whining with all it's talk radio/Fox News misrepresentations and exaggerations.  You lost, your philosophy was rejected, get over it.  Maybe concentrate on changing the GOP  back to a party based on ideas and not loony conspiracy theories.   If you have a problem with the award take it up with the Committee. There, back on track.

Of all the usual Obama bashers Ed has been about the only one with a  reasonable outlook on this whole thing.
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