Topic: Vic World Sandcast On Ebay

[Simpson]

Just adding to the discussion, not looking to be smart guy or stir pots.
I've learned so much from all of you.

I question John Wyatt's information.
Gravity die cast will not yield those surface finishes IMHO.

[mick7504]

Yeah well? I don't know.
What I can say is that I believe John Wyatt's and Vic World's information and knowledge is extremely credible.
What I don't know is who the journo Lindsay Brooke is.
Having said that,
Did he accurately report what Vic World and Kaz Yoshima really had to say about this?
Maybe he did and maybe he didn't.
Controversy is a good selling aid in the print market.
Lindsay Brooke may well be a respectable journo and I hope that he is.
Hopefully somebody out there may wish to weigh in on this and give their opinion.

[Raul CB750K1]

Wow! For $199 I would sell my copy of the Wyatt book to anybody who have the dough!

And I'm serious.

[mick7504]

Lindsay Brooke's credibility certainly cannot be disputed after reading that.
It makes this Sandcast/Gravity Die Cast question an interesting one.

[mick7504]

Wow! For $199 I would sell my copy of the Wyatt book to anybody who have the dough!

And I'm serious.

Out of curiosity I had a look when I bought my Wyatt book.
Year - 2001
Cost - $55:00 AUD
$199:00 USD = $218:50AUD today.
Not a bad investment for a book

[Raul CB750K1]

Wow! For $199 I would sell my copy of the Wyatt book to anybody who have the dough!

And I'm serious.

Out of curiosity I had a look when I bought my Wyatt book.
Year - 2001
Cost - $55:00 AUD
$199:00 USD = $218:50AUD today.
Not a bad investment for a book

You are right.

Nevertheless, for each book that increases in value, I have tens that are worth a tenth of the ticket price.



Should I list my book on eBay and see where all these ends?

[mick7504]

There is a Wyatt book here on Ebay with a "Buy it Now" if you are interested.
Looks this is about the going price for these books now.
cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Honda-CB750-Restorer's-Guide-Book._W0QQitemZ260483439528QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq200...
Mick
cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Honda-CB750-Restorer's-Guide-Book._
Hope this link works

[Don R]

My brother worked at a Honda dealership when these were new. When I got my 70' I referred to it as K0 and he told me there was no K0 back then they were just K. Like has already been stated it is used to differentiate between a 69-70 and a K1. I was surprised to see sandcast engines with proper numbers in bikes as new as mine.-10141xx dated 11/69. [this is on the sandcast site]. I just wish I had the die cast engine that came in mine. D.

[moham]

I was surprised to see sandcast engines with proper numbers in bikes as new as mine.-10141xx dated 11/69. [this is on the sandcast site]. I just wish I had the die cast engine that came in mine. D.

Wow, so you've got a frame in the ~14000's with a sandcast motor (under ~7414)?

[fasturd]

Actually, "sandcast" generally refers to the first ~7400 CB750's that were built, and the the engines weren't actually "sand cast" but rather cast with a process known as permanent mold casting.
After that Honda switched to die casting  the engine casings.

But I guess "sandcast" kinda rolls off the tongue better than "permanent mold casting".  

http://www.cb750sandcastonly.com/

Wasn't kaz interviewed and he was positive that they were actually sand cast just lik the one-off high performance parts that HRD did...

I wasnt there...But he was.
Just adds fuel to the fire.

And doesn't vic world use ONLY NOS parts? Or is that just specials that he builds. I thought I saw some stuff about his amazing stash of NOS parts.

[MCRider]

Actually, "sandcast" generally refers to the first ~7400 CB750's that were built, and the the engines weren't actually "sand cast" but rather cast with a process known as permanent mold casting.
After that Honda switched to die casting  the engine casings.

But I guess "sandcast" kinda rolls off the tongue better than "permanent mold casting".  

http://www.cb750sandcastonly.com/

Actually one of the original designers of the CB750 was just interviewed and he is positive that they were actually sand cast just like one off high performance parts that HRD did...

I wasnt there...But he was.
Just adds fuel to the fire.

And doesn't vic world use ONLY NOS parts? Or is that just specials that he builds. I thought I saw some stuff about his amazing stash of NOS parts.

Its a long standing practice in works racing to obfuscate and mislead as much as possible.

If the works bikes were sandcast, it wouldn't be beyond anyone in those circles to try and plant seeds of confusion. That's what they did and do on a regular basis.

By the way, just interviewed? Who and by who and when? Sources if had or its just heresay.
Curious issue.

[754]

I have to clear up someting I posted in error, and I apologize for that.
 My partsbook has a 4 on it and is dated June or July 71

 As I reported it lists CB 750 , but Not KO at all!

 I simply lists CO 750 and CB750K1, in the 2coumns, no mention at all of KO..

[myhondas]

Actually, "sandcast" generally refers to the first ~7400 CB750's that were built, and the the engines weren't actually "sand cast" but rather cast with a process known as permanent mold casting.
After that Honda switched to die casting  the engine casings.

But I guess "sandcast" kinda rolls off the tongue better than "permanent mold casting".  

http://www.cb750sandcastonly.com/

Wasn't kaz interviewed and he was positive that they were actually sand cast just lik the one-off high performance parts that HRD did...

I wasnt there...But he was.
Just adds fuel to the fire.

And doesn't vic world use ONLY NOS parts? Or is that just specials that he builds. I thought I saw some stuff about his amazing stash of NOS parts.

According to Bob Hansen and Bob Jameson, who are pretty much responsible for the 750, they were made in sand casts molds because Honda did not believe Bob Hansen's prediction of the amount of bikes that would be sold in the first year. In just a few months, they had made a few thousand and saw that Bob's numbers were going to be right, they built the die cast molds.

[Simpson]

And doesn't vic world use ONLY NOS parts? Or is that just specials that he builds. I thought I saw some stuff about his amazing stash of NOS parts.

Vic has a lot of NOS parts no doubt, but according to this magazine he "restores" a lot of it. Personally it think some of this article is sale propaganda . His surface finshes on Alum parts like covers and brackets have a modern appearance. They are way over polished from the NOS parts I have seen. I've been slowly just replacing my sore spots with NOS. Don't get me wrong, his bikes are amazing at the very least but if I pay 30k, it must be made with NOS parts.

[grumburg]

With respect, there seems to be a   over this K0/non K0 model designation debate.
I really do not know.
Qualified and unqualified opinion does ebb and flow.

I was working in Honda parts as the 1969 CB750 came out. No part of the first run pre-K1s were known to any of us as "K0" at that time. Simply CB750. That's why i said I was sympathetic to 750's view.

Sort of like the mistaken view that decades and centuries start with a "0", they do not. Numbering series start with 1. So the whole thing is screwed up.

In my mind the "K0" came into common use AFTER the K1 came out as a way of being sure what one was talking about. As a parts man, customers would say I've got a Cb750 and I'd say which one and they'd say the first one and I'd say a CB750 and theyd say, no a K1.

So to bring us into modern times, all of the pre-K1s are K0s. Differences are noted by frame number. Its something an owner can hang on to.

So says the Honda ID Guide.

Kind of like there was not a World War I until there was a World War II?

[mick7504]

I must admit I had to look that one up.....

obfuscate
1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.
2. to make obscure or unclear: to obfuscate a problem with extraneous information. 
3. to darken.

Always willing to learn. 

It is an excellent word - Love it.

Be a good name for a bike - "THE OBFUSCATER" - To confuse, bewilder and stupefy the opposition.

[MCRider]

I must admit I had to look that one up.....

obfuscate
1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.
2. to make obscure or unclear: to obfuscate a problem with extraneous information. 
3. to darken.

Always willing to learn. 

It is an excellent word - Love it.

Be a good name for a bike - "THE OBFUSCATER" - To confuse, bewilder and stupefy the opposition.

Wonder how that would fit on the side of a gas tank? Or how to abbreviate it for a license plate  "OBFSC8R"

[mick7504]

I must admit I had to look that one up.....

obfuscate
1. to confuse, bewilder, or stupefy.
2. to make obscure or unclear: to obfuscate a problem with extraneous information. 
3. to darken.

Always willing to learn. 

It is an excellent word - Love it.

Be a good name for a bike - "THE OBFUSCATER" - To confuse, bewilder and stupefy the opposition.

Wonder how that would fit on the side of a gas tank? Or how to abbreviate it for a license plate  "OBFSC8R"

I think that would fit nicely and then bewildered, confused and stupefied people would ask what it meant

[mick7504]

3 1/2 hours to go.
I wonder if it will sell?

[mick7504]

Isn't parting out a Sandcast a Capital Offence
Especially a "Vic" one

[Old Scrambler]

How many of us actually owned a new Sandcast CB750?  I bought one new and put over 18,000 miles on it by the Fall of 1970.  When I took it to a dealer in LA for an inspection they called American Honda who came and picked up the bike.  They returned it to me a week later and it was better than new!  No Charge!

Regarding Vic World bikes.........he got ahead of the curve and beat us all to the NOS parts stashes at the dealers all over the country.  I have seen the bike that he built from parts for the 24-hour build challenge. The new owner lives about 2 hours from me. Its nice, but not perfect!  My only propblem with a bike built with NOS parts is this.........Its a parts bike!  It has no history and was never sold as a new bike in 1969 or 1970.

Now think about the passion of a collector......I know one from New Brunwick, CA, with 2 sandcast 750s.  He also has a 250 scrambler with frame #CL72 20011.   

[Simpson]

What is the price at? Ebay is filtered from my connection at work.

[MCRider]

What is the price at? Ebay is filtered from my connection at work.

$14k, reserve not met. 2+ hrs to go.

[Simpson]

Regarding Vic World bikes.........he got ahead of the curve and beat us all to the NOS parts stashes at the dealers all over the country.  I have seen the bike that he built from parts for the 24-hour build challenge. The new owner lives about 2 hours from me. Its nice, but not perfect!  My only propblem with a bike built with NOS parts is this.........Its a parts bike!  It has no history and was never sold as a new bike in 1969 or 1970. 

I'd agree with you to a point. If you come across a pristine unaltered bike that has been well maintained for decades or unlocked from a crate in perfect condition, than that's adds tremendously to a bike's attraction and valve. On the other hand, a old rusty bike is just a worn out bike at the end of the day, regardless of miles of ownership. I'd rather own a NOS parts bike than a rusty nostalgic bike or a completely restored job with inaccurate plating, buffing, coatings or parts in general. Soul is a perception.

[moham]

How many of us actually owned a new Sandcast CB750?  I bought one new and put over 18,000 miles on it by the Fall of 1970.  When I took it to a dealer in LA for an inspection they called American Honda who came and picked up the bike.  They returned it to me a week later and it was better than new!  No Charge!

Regarding Vic World bikes.........he got ahead of the curve and beat us all to the NOS parts stashes at the dealers all over the country.  I have seen the bike that he built from parts for the 24-hour build challenge. The new owner lives about 2 hours from me. Its nice, but not perfect!  My only propblem with a bike built with NOS parts is this.........Its a parts bike!  It has no history and was never sold as a new bike in 1969 or 1970.

Now think about the passion of a collector......I know one from New Brunwick, CA, with 2 sandcast 750s.  He also has a 250 scrambler with frame #CL72 20011.   

I agree with you about the history part of the "clone" re-builds. From a collecting standpoint, an item with demonstrable history tends to be more valuable. He's actually making sandcasts less rare every time he builds a new bike. Not that he should care, he obviously loves the bikes and does what he wants...