Author Topic: cylinders: to brush or not to brush  (Read 894 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mazingerzeca

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 587
cylinders: to brush or not to brush
« on: October 17, 2009, 11:57:30 AM »
Hello all.
Took the cylinders and pistons to the machine shop to have them measured, and they told me that they were ok. I measured compression before dismantling and it was about 110. The guy on the machine shop told me to have the cylinders brushed. Given that I am going to install new rings, is it necessary to brush them? Wouldn't a brushing eat material and result in cylinder wear or do they eat very little?
Thank you.

Offline Bodi

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 5,702
Re: cylinders: to brush or not to brush
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2009, 12:58:16 PM »
Brush?
He probably meant honing, which is necessary to use new brushes. You can use a variety of hone tools: there are ones with little stones mounted in little spring loaded brackets, these will remove a fair bit of metal if misused. Another type has abrasive balls on springy stalks. Another has strips os abrasive cloth, like a "flap wheel".
The idea is to create a rough surface on the cylinder walls. You want a cross-hatch pattern of very light scratches. Then wash the cylinders thoroughly with paint thinner that has a bit of motor oil mixed in. The oil will leave a light film when the final wash solvent evaporates and reduce flash rusting of the iron sleeves. If you wash them with soap and water, you have to immediately dry them with towels and heat and then oil them, or they will turn bright orange with rust in minutes.
The rough surface wears down the edges of the new rings, making them conform to the cylinder wall better and thus seal better. This happens during the first few hours of running, and there are several conflicting views on the best way to "break in" the rings during this time.

Offline mazingerzeca

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 587
Re: cylinders: to brush or not to brush
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 04:38:31 PM »
Well, exactly he said "to burnish" (bruñir), and he described something like you said about the crossed scratches. Hope that it is better than leaving them as they are.

Offline Whaleman

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 551
Re: cylinders: to brush or not to brush
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2009, 04:43:54 PM »
Yes, you should have this done. Dan

Offline mystic_1

  • Really Old Timer ...
  • *******
  • Posts: 6,071
  • 1970 CB750K
Re: cylinders: to brush or not to brush
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2009, 05:07:15 PM »
The crossed scratches help the rings to break in properly to the cylinder.

mystic_1
"A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for."
- John Augustus Shedd

My build thread:  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=68952.0

Offline Whaleman

  • Hot Shot
  • ***
  • Posts: 551
Re: cylinders: to brush or not to brush
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2009, 05:14:22 PM »
I should have said you HAVE to do this as your cylinders are glazed and the new rings will never seal any good at all. Dan