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Offline andy8190

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coil test question
« on: October 18, 2009, 09:26:23 pm »
ok so i have searched this before hand and i cant figure it out. I would like to have some instructions in the most basic way you can say it to help me test my coils. I cant seem to understand anything i have read. I have a cheap harbor freight multimeter so i am not sure if it will work. Thanks in advance

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2009, 10:02:02 pm »
Primary resistance yellow OR blue to black/white

Sec resistance one HT to the other WITHOUT PLUG CAPS

Check manual for specs
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2009, 10:29:41 pm »
The FAQ didn't help you?
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 05:00:24 am »
Andy's been here long enough to have a good grasp of the search function, so I'll cut him some slack and give an answer.

Harbor freight meter?  The little red one right? It'll work fine, I use one all the time.

Take the spark plug caps off the wires (they unscrew) if they're ancient you may want to replace them later, any bike shop has them (5K ohms rating, choose you favorite angle)

Clip back the plug wires a quarter inch to expose fresh wire and to get rid of the 1/4" of oxidized wire that always seems to form at the plug ends.

Make sure the connectors on the small wires on the coils are clean too, there's a recent thread about cleaning connectors.

Set your meter to measure resistance, a range somewhere in the middle of the available selections will do, touch the two test leads together and notice the meter reads close to zero.

Measure across the small wires of one coil, write it down, measure across the small wires of the other coil and write it down for comparison.

Now measure across the plug leads on one coil, write it down, then measure across the plug wires from the other coil and write that down for comparison.

You may want to adjust the range your meter is set on so that you have one place to the right of the decimal point showing but it's not a requirement.

if you have a pair of clean screwdrivers and a helper, you can easily measure the resistance of your plug caps by inserting the screwdrivers into each end of a cap and having your helper touch the meter leads to the screwdriver shafts. The caps should measure 5000 ohms or 5K ohms but that resistance will rise over time and will give you a weaker spark, one of mine on my 750K3 measured 18K and and 3 were over 10K, the 4Th was like 6 or 7K if I remember correctly.
New caps are cheap, NGK caps can be found at most any motorcycle shop for a few bucks each,
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« Last Edit: October 19, 2009, 05:02:45 am by Alan F. »

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 06:50:20 am »
One of my coils went bad and I got measurements all over the place with my multimeter (sorry I didn't note them - mostly high and low on the same coil). Probably a user issue getting the probe in the same place twice.

The easiest way I found on the board to make a positive test was to move the power from one coil to the other. If the coil fires on the new lead and the other does not move back up the chain to your points and condensers. If not, bad coil.

Caps are pretty easy to get consistent reads on though.

In my case I had a bad cap, bad coil and ended up going all the way back to the condensers before it started running right.

Hope that's helpful!

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2009, 02:35:52 pm »
no the faq didnt make it as clear as i would like, that just might be me though  :-\

that example was a lot more clear, i needed a dumbed down version.

Should i have power going to the coils when testing resistance or no?

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I promise i did more than one search looking for the best instructions

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2009, 02:41:25 pm »
also yes i do have the red and black multi from hf. i am assuming the settings i need to use are the bottom left ones with the omega symbol and 2000k 200k 20k 2000 and 200?

or am i wrong? i dont have the instruction manual for the multimeter anymore so i dont know what measures continuity and which measures ohms
« Last Edit: October 19, 2009, 02:44:35 pm by andy8190 »

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2009, 02:53:34 pm »
Post a pic of your meter control face.

Tell us which bike you are working on or where the coils you want to test came from.
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2009, 03:16:43 pm »
the coils were on the bike when i got it 1974 cb550, i also got another set from a member on the forum that i got for spares, from a 76 550. here is the multimeter i have

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 03:22:36 pm »
Yes disconnect the coils form the wiring harness, and disconnect the plug leads from the plugs too for this test.
Resistance scales are: 0-200-2000-20K-200K-2000K ohm, I'd usethe 0-20K personally.
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2009, 03:25:04 pm »
are you saying yes to no power or to power? because if they do need power and you disconnect them from the wiring harness how do you power them?

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2009, 03:29:13 pm »
Nope, no power needed. None at all in fact.

Plus you'll need to disconnect the coils from the wiring harness and disconnect the coils from the spark plugs too.

It won't matter which test probe you place where (red or black) as there is no plus or minus (polarity) aplicable during this test.
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2009, 03:42:59 pm »
ok cool deal, thank you for the dumb version. makes much more sense now. i put new wires on my coils and have the new ngk caps as well already

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2009, 03:53:20 pm »
Remove the spark plug caps from the wires.
Use the Ω 20K meter setting.
measure between plug wire end to plug wire end.  Reading S/B about 15K Ω.
This is the secondary reading.

For the primary reading, set the meter to the Ω 200 scale.
Measure from Yellow (or Blue) to the Black/white wires.  Reading S/B about 4.5 to 5 Ω.

All measurements made with the coils completely disconnected from the bike.

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2009, 03:54:05 pm »
i put new wires on my coils and have the new ngk caps as well already

That's good news.  Now you just need to verify that both of your coils have the same or very similar readings.

Just hooking them up and looking for spark is ok, but the test you're performing will tell you more about your coils than just looking for a spark across the plug gap will.

Later on if you have ignition system issues, you can look back to the measurements you wrote down and perform these measurements again.... this will tell you for sure if it's a coil issue or if the problem is upstream at your points or condensors.

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2009, 03:59:53 pm »
WIll you be testing soon? I'm anxious to hear your findings.
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2009, 04:21:12 pm »
im not sure, if the weather is snotty sometime this week, if not itll prolly wait a couple or even a few

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2009, 04:23:37 pm »
the bike runs fine, i just get sooty plugs and the coils is on my list of things to check

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2009, 05:08:11 pm »
actually i will do the spares tonight since they are in my room in a box

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #19 on: October 19, 2009, 05:32:01 pm »
Cool

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #20 on: October 19, 2009, 05:50:34 pm »
ok so the small wires on coil 1 measure 5.5, large wires 15.4
coil 2 small wires 5.6 and large wires 14.98

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Re: coil test question
« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2009, 05:54:11 pm »
Well, those ought to work fine.
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2009, 05:55:09 pm »
ok those are the spares, i can check the ones on the bike soon, out of curiousity what is the bad numbers start at?

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2009, 05:57:34 pm »
Zero or 99999999
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Re: coil test question
« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2009, 06:00:47 pm »
but if they are in at like 20 and say 7 respectively are they still good?