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Offline leogriss

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Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« on: October 24, 2009, 11:05:00 PM »
Hi,

I'm a newbie who can't decide which model to go with.
Please don't take my questions seriously ;) I just want to hear people's opinion!

Just for FUN, which bike would you cafe among these models and WHY!!? : 350F, 400F, 550F

Let's say the bike needs to be running on freeway quite often.


Thank you!
Ride safe!!!!!!!

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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2009, 12:19:40 AM »
PERSONALLY, i don't like 4's as cafes. I'd get a twin.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 12:35:08 AM »
550F would get my cafe vote :)

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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 05:24:30 AM »
I'd recommend the 400f or 550f if you are going to put in much time on the highway.  My old 360t was a bit of a dog on the highway, and my current 350f doesn't promise to be a barn stormer (still in engine tuning mode).  The 400f has enough power to make highway riding comfortable, although the 550f would be a much better highway bike than either the 400f or 350f.

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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 05:34:47 AM »
I ran my 550K with mild cafe mods (400F footpeg mounts and controls, "euro" bend bars, Buell blast flyscreen) on the freeway last night, flowing with traffic as needed at speeds between 70 and 85mph.  My 400F could also have done the task, but it would have been more work.  The 400F was sort of a "factory cafe", so unless you're going more radical, the point of "building a cafe" is somewhat lost.  If freeway riding was not a factor, of the three choices I would recommend the 350F, since it was furthest from a cafe racer to start with.

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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 07:07:33 AM »
Go with the 550,you'll appreciate the extra power esp on the freeway!They all make good looking cafe's,see BOTM for Kevin's beautiful 400F,and three 750's and one really neat bobber!,Bill
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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 09:04:35 AM »
best bet is probably wait and see what you can find that looks good. 400-4's are fine on the freeway. 350-4 ok. I used to ride a cb200 on the freeway a lot. from seattle to van BC every weekend w/ skateboard on my back. depends on your definition of comfort. if you're a new rider, you will just get used to riding whatever you get and won't notice the dif til you've ridden more bikes and get more picky.

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 11:14:43 AM »
Depends upon how much bodily abuse you enjoy.
If you are over 30-35 and plan to do be on the bike more than 1/2 hour at a time, then none of them, as the cafe riding position is far from comfortable, and this will deter use of the bike.  (Very long arms and upper torso are advantageous for very low bars.)
The bike should fit the rider.  The cafe "style" does NOT fit all riders.  And, I don't give a crap how it "looks" while parked.

Bigger displacement bikes do better at freeway speeds.

Lighter/smaller bikes often do better on twisty roads (if you are into the risks of street racing on roads with changing/unpredictable conditions).
Lighter/smaller bikes are fine in the city at lower average speeds and short durations that don't damage your back and wrists, (and there are lots of eyes to "wow" along the way.)

Whatever you do, don't take a pristine stocker and destroy it via cafe conversion.
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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 11:24:21 AM »
Nobody should take a pristine 750 and do anything but make it more pristine,that being said I take you don't particularly like Cafe's? Why?I like em all chopper,bobbers,racers,stockers,They still a 750!!,Bill,Destroy sounded harsh but I understand,hard to find good old stockers.
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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 11:34:25 AM »
My suggestion of a twin reflects my opinion that cafe bikes aren't highway bikes. If i build something like that I'll want to take it out in the mountains here in Arkansas and zip around at 50 or 60mph. plus i'm not a huge guy so a little bike wouldn't make me look goofy.
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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 12:58:28 PM »
550 for sure

even the 550 lacks alot at highway speeds so i cant imagine anything smaller

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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 02:25:49 PM »
550 for sure

even the 550 lacks alot at highway speeds so i cant imagine anything smaller
What types of things does the 550 lack at highway speeds?
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2009, 02:31:19 PM »
My suggestion of a twin reflects my opinion that cafe bikes aren't highway bikes. If i build something like that I'll want to take it out in the mountains here in Arkansas and zip around at 50 or 60mph. plus i'm not a huge guy so a little bike wouldn't make me look goofy.

but the original purpose of a cafe was to race down a highway and do the infamous "ton" and get back to the cafe before the song was up. that being said i kno the old triumphs and norton were twins, but they were very much highway bikes being 650 was the desireable displacement. not trying ot bust ur balls but just brain dumpin on the OP :)

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Re: Which bike would you cafe!!!?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 04:59:23 PM »
550 for sure

even the 550 lacks alot at highway speeds so i cant imagine anything smaller
What types of things does the 550 lack at highway speeds?

A 550 in good tune lacks nothing at highway speeds.  Unless your version of highway speeds is above 90mph, because at that point acceleration starts to become a little more sluggish. ;)

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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 05:19:29 PM »
550 no questions about it go ahead and throw on a 16 tooth front sproket too.... any other bike will be lacking
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2009, 06:48:27 PM »
PERSONALLY, i don't like 4's as cafes. I'd get a twin.

+1.  none of the above...
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 07:08:05 PM »
  A 550f or a 750k.    But then again a 450 twin would be a nice option .   The key to cafe bike is getting a clunker you can obtain cheap and fixing it up and personalizing it to your likings .  At least that's my take on it .  That said my answer would be : Whatever you can get your hands on.

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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 08:00:17 PM »
I guess it depends on if you plan on keeping the engine relatively stock.  If that is the plan then I would go with the 550F. 

It seems like there are more companies out there currently making things (like big bore kits and such) specifically for the 400 than for the 550.  So if you plan on doing any major internal engine modifications I would think about a 400.  But, that's just me. 


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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2009, 11:43:10 PM »
....I take you don't particularly like Cafe's? Why?

I certainly don't like cafe bikes for me.  They're fun for about two blocks, then the discomfort becomes far too annoying.

Racers are made for the track, not the street.  I can appreciate any purpose built machine.  But, only when it is being used for it's purpose.
I see most cafe conversion as a death announcement for the machine.  Not today, but the near future.

Stock bike configuration you can ride for hours, in most any weather, and still have the bike perform as expected.
Stripped down bikes, and most "cafe racers" have extremely little functional engineering put in to them.  They aren't that fast and much of the utility has been stripped off.  They become conversation pieces, that can only be ridden under limited circumstances.

Here in Cal, we can go months without any rain.  That doesn't stop the sprinklers from soaking the streets.  Personally, you will have to pay me to ride a bobbed rear fender through mud puddles.  I don't consider it fun to wear road grime on my back or have it run down my neck.  And, doesn't it look cool to wear that grimy jacket/shirt into the restaurant, too?
Then too, is the water that gets onto the popular "PODS" to choke off engine performance in adverse weather conditions.
I rescued a "cafe racer" 550.  They did the usual, low bars and strip down to save weight.  They removed the inner rear plastic fender and used a K&N single open filter in place of the enclosed air box.  Such thoughtful engineering allowed any fluids, grime mud, dirt, spit, etc to be picked up by the rear wheel and deposited on the open filter element (rendering it pitiful).
There is no doubt that some cafe conversions have had some skill applied to the mods.  That doesn't mean that the engineering has been done to make the bike a reliable and functional racer.  More often it becomes a garage showpiece, and conversation subject, rather than a transportation device.  Rather a waste of machinery, IMO.
Making a racer that never races, has no class to race within, makes the rider every bit a poser as the lawyers and doctors buying Harleys so they can be once month "bikers", (with chaps and a Do-rag, of course).

I have a deep suspicion that cafe conversions made from dilapidated derelicts, is actually a step up, and does prolong the life and utility of a machine.
Further, the person doing the work usually gains a lot of skill, which I consider a very good thing.
Converting a functional street bike to cafe racer most often spells it's doom.  It doesn't take much skill at all to put on a set of clubmans, and discard perfectly functional parts for the sole reason of gaining "style points".
Then mess with the inlet and exhaust, making the bike run poorly, and then giving up the lemon they created by selling the "style" to some one else that knows only style and no engineering.  Then the bike turns into a neglected derelict, where the original street bike could still be ridden for some fun.

I already asked in a thread how old some of the cafe conversions have lasted.  The responders that they still had them, had also restored them them back into real street machines.  Others parked or sold them off to get a different machine better suited for actually riding on the street.

I still have a cafe racer from the 80's.  A 77 converted in the 80's and run for a year or two, then parked and neglected for the next 20 years.

Finally, it seems silly to convert a 70's bike into a racer.  Without doing extensive engine mods, you aren't going to be faster than most any modern bike made from mid 80's on.  And then, it will never ever handle or stop as well as a modern bike anyway.  The best you can hope for is a conversation piece.
Then when the conversation peters out, there sits another bike neglected and derelict, in favor of something more "shiny".

In summary, I don't like cafe racers because they aren't much use to me, and I equate it to a proclamation about a machine's imminent demise.

Sometimes a curmudgeon's viewpoint just "fits".   ;D

Some of you "cafe" junkies" may notice that I still try and help those "machine destroyers".  This is mostly because I dream that the machine is being given up for "knowledge" sake on the part of the owner.  I generally give up when they are no longer interested in learning but "just want to ride".
I just can't support the "young and stupid" (or old and stupid) as being the ideal life form.

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2009, 12:21:45 AM »
ok but your talking about 2 different things racers and cafes. racers are good for the track only without a headlight and not many conveniences. The "cafe racer" was used by countless people for its purpose of racing in england from cafe to cafe. But more so it was used as transportations from trips across the country, to trips to the pub.  I ride my cafe everyday for long distances unless its raining cats and dogs, snowing, or below zero. Im 6'2" 190lbs and have no discomfort going from kansas city to springfield or any other ride for that matter.  all that being said the OP is asking about cafe racers so if you dont have one or dont like them then why thread jack and complain?
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2009, 12:38:44 AM »
Why thread hijack eh, hang around a little longer and you will soon learn TT is one of our most well read and informative EXPERTS on this forum and his opinion, regardless of  if you agree or not, is respected and knowledgeable.  Maybe you should read his post again,he is specifically referring to "cafe racers" and read again, he has one, so have i and they are bloody uncomfortable and unpractical. I am under 6 foot and fit the cafe style bikes very well but like TT i am getting a little older and these bikes are just plain uncomfortable and useless on long runs and even worse 2 up. I even doubt that at 6'2 that you are comfortable at all or maybe are just comfortable because you think its cool to ride a cafe. They seem to be the flavour of the month in some places but there is no way at all IMHO that they are comfortable, even worse with the standard footpeg mounts. I have owned around 30 bikes from 16 Honda 4's right up to gsxr 1100's and even though i fitted the gsxr like a glove it was a pain in the arse on long trips. Maybe you should read a little more thoroughly before posting next time.  ???

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2009, 07:42:50 AM »
no biggie newbie but i learnd real quick to check the post count with the advice i got. it will sort u through whos who
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2009, 10:13:26 AM »
Why thread hijack eh, hang around a little longer and you will soon learn TT is one of our most well read and informative EXPERTS on this forum and his opinion, regardless of  if you agree or not, is respected and knowledgeable.  Maybe you should read his post again,he is specifically referring to "cafe racers" and read again, he has one, so have i and they are bloody uncomfortable and unpractical. I am under 6 foot and fit the cafe style bikes very well but like TT i am getting a little older and these bikes are just plain uncomfortable and useless on long runs and even worse 2 up. I even doubt that at 6'2 that you are comfortable at all or maybe are just comfortable because you think its cool to ride a cafe. They seem to be the flavour of the month in some places but there is no way at all IMHO that they are comfortable, even worse with the standard footpeg mounts. I have owned around 30 bikes from 16 Honda 4's right up to gsxr 1100's and even though i fitted the gsxr like a glove it was a pain in the arse on long trips. Maybe you should read a little more thoroughly before posting next time.  ???

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ok Ill take that but it depends on how you set it up if you just throw clubmans and a lower seat on it then thats  of course going to be uncomfortable. i have clip-ons adjusted to the right place as well as rearsets and a lowered seat that all work together to keep me in the most comfortable position and i can ride for hours and feel fine afterwards. but in the end to each his own so my apologies for the previous post sir.

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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2009, 11:48:08 AM »
+1 on the 550. Mine is loads of fun on only mildly uncomfortable over 150 miles or so at a sitting.

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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2009, 11:57:00 AM »
I have been riding a 1978 750K for around 3 years now. Its my first bike ever. I have tried a CB350 and a CX500. I can not imagine riding anything smaller than my 750 on the freeway.
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