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Offline hapakev

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CB750F3 cam in K head?
« on: February 08, 2010, 08:53:17 AM »
I searched the threads and couldn't find a definitive answer. 
Will an F3 cam drop in to a KK motor w/K pistons, with no modification? 

I read that the F2-F3 cam is a hotter cam than the early K cam.  Is this true? Is there a noticeable difference?

I read Terry's post with the F2 cam and pistons that touched the valves. 
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2010, 10:50:43 AM »
from what i gathered from terry was that the valves contacted the pistons but a f cam and f pistons were used. im no expert but i would assume this is because the f uses a slight hemi head  in conjunction with the higher domed piston. if you were to do this i would guess a safe bet would be to put some valve reliefs on the exhaust side of the piston. again no expert just my 2 cents.
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2010, 12:16:58 PM »
I asked this very question of Hondaman a few months back. I do not believe he would mind if I shared his answer with you:

If your F3 cam is a stock F3 cam...the "F" and K7/8 cams had slightly
> more lift (not terribly significant), but their main feature was that
> they were delayed 5 degrees, relative to the earlier cams. That is, the
> intake valves open 5 degrees later than the ones on a K1-K6 (about 7
> degrees later than on sandcast K0), and the exhaust lobes on the "F"
> cams are longer duration for more scavenging of the cylinder. This
> former change was done to take advantage of the higher compression
> ratio, giving the bike a peppier feeling above 6500 RPM or so without
> extra loads on the crank bearings, while reducing the intake charge at
> 2500 RPM, so the bike could pass EPA rules of the later 1970s (i.e.,
> the engines were tested at 2500 RPM max). The exhaust change was
> partially EPA-related and partially to eliminate the plug fouling
> problems the earlier cams had when the bikes were ridden sedately. It
> also helped reduce 'bluing' of the exhaust pipes, because of less plug
> fouling.
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> If you port the "K" head, you will get far more flow increase than the
> "F" cam would provide with its added lift, and at no penalty to the cam
> chain or tensioner parts. If you just drop in the "F" cam, you will
> find that a significant portion of your 3500-5500 RPM torque will
> disappear in favor of the higher HP when wound up tight. You may also
> find that the slide jetting must change (needle may have to drop a
> notch to keep the plugs clean): mainjet should stay at 105. The air
> screw may have to go in about 1/8 turn from where they are now, or
> change the pilot jets to #38 and use the 1 to 1.25 turn rule on the air
> screws, instead. If you both port the head and drop in the "F" cam and
> move it forward 5 degrees, you'll be impressed.  ;-)
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> If you install the "F" cam and also advance it 5 degrees, it's a
> different story: the jetting can stay the same and you will find some
> more midrange torque, plus enjoy cleaner sparkplugs overall. This is
> the "feeling" some SOHC4 riders report as "more power", because it puts
> a little more torque in the range where everyone actually rides.
> Certainly, if you make the switch, also use the X24ES-U ND sparkplugs,
> as they will give a nice midrange boost over the D8E plugs.
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2010, 08:18:42 AM »
Thank you for the replies, just what I needed to know.  I love this forum.
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2010, 10:23:42 AM »
Mark told me that I could put a K3 cam in my K7 engine to increase power in the midrange. Im in the process of doing this switch. I emailed him recently and havent heard back but was wondering which cam sprocket Im suppose to use. When I used the K7 cam sprocket with the K3 cam, the timing marks were slightly off. Is this right and this is what is "degree'd"? Or should I use the K3 cam sprocket with the K3 cam when installing in the K7 engine....whew...

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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2010, 10:29:40 AM »
i put an f2 cam in my k4 engine, there was a pretty significant boost in the midrange.
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2010, 10:32:46 AM »
I guess my question is which cam sprocket am I suppose to use?
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2010, 11:04:53 AM »
I guess my question is which cam sprocket am I suppose to use?
Use the K3 sprocket with the K3 cam.  ;)
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2010, 11:05:50 AM »
Thanks Mark!

Installing it now. Cant wait to fire it up!
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2010, 11:26:00 AM »
I guess my question is which cam sprocket am I suppose to use?
Use the K3 sprocket with the K3 cam.  ;)

Just installed the K3 Sprocket with the K3 cam. Lined up at 1-4 T, the cam is just slightly not aligned. Im talking a mm at best. Is this okay?
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2010, 12:16:20 PM »
I guess my question is which cam sprocket am I suppose to use?
Use the K3 sprocket with the K3 cam.  ;)

Just installed the K3 Sprocket with the K3 cam. Lined up at 1-4 T, the cam is just slightly not aligned. Im talking a mm at best. Is this okay?

Try setting the cam chain tension to see if it pulls it way off. If so, just move the chain a tooth on the sprocket: it could be a combination of chain stretch and the slightly-off cam marks in production tolerances. It's not uncommon for the cams to be off 3 degrees or so, which is where slotting the sprocket's holes for accurate degreeing-in got started.
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Re: CB750F3 cam in K head?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2010, 06:13:49 PM »
I guess my question is which cam sprocket am I suppose to use?
Use the K3 sprocket with the K3 cam.  ;)

Just installed the K3 Sprocket with the K3 cam. Lined up at 1-4 T, the cam is just slightly not aligned. Im talking a mm at best. Is this okay?

Try setting the cam chain tension to see if it pulls it way off. If so, just move the chain a tooth on the sprocket: it could be a combination of chain stretch and the slightly-off cam marks in production tolerances. It's not uncommon for the cams to be off 3 degrees or so, which is where slotting the sprocket's holes for accurate degreeing-in got started.


Thanks Mark, I'll give that a try tomorrow.
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