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« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2009, 11:20:09 AM »
Man, my question got answered alright along with hearing some very passionate opinions! :)  There are a lot of Harleys on the road so they must build what a lot of people want.  Me, I love my K2 750!  In my opinion, it is the perfect sport/touring bike!  It is relatively light and nimble compared to most of the other heavy giants on the road.  It is very reliable and easy to maintain.  I love the smoothness of the motor, very enjoyable to me!  I like the fact that my K2 with a newly rebuilt motor will last 100k miles if I take care of it, and I also like its fuel economy.  This motor has plenty of punch, kinda reminds me of the way my buddy's '69 Dodge Charger R/T runs (440 Magnum engine).  Then there is the look of the bike.  I love it!  Two chrome fenders, simple design with no bulky fairings or luggage boxes, four exhaust pipes, a very good looking bike design (it looks like a motorcycle should and nobody mistakes it for a small car:)

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Re: SOHC'S ARE SMOOTH, BUT WHY DO THE HARLEYS SHAKE SO MUCH?
« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2009, 11:27:52 AM »
I am not a Harley hater and I know we need manufacturing jobs here in the US. My friends that have new Harleys seem to have more problems than I do with my 30 year old Honda.
I am impressed by the way they have built and image and they have a very unique riding position. The rider looks like he is on a charging horse.
I mow understand how they get the sound and jeeze I see those motors shake fore and aft so much it is a wonder anything stays attached.
  
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« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2009, 11:57:22 AM »
Saw this on another Forum and thought of this thread....

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« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2009, 12:19:10 PM »
Get behind an older BMW and watch it shake side to side. Kinda cool. My experience has taught me that no matter what brand it is, or in fact what kind of machine it is, some (identical machines) come off the line working fine and the next one off the line can be a total pain to maintain. kinda like women or horses, some of them are easy keepers, some are high maintenance. I'm lovin my 71 K2 but I'm workin on buying a Fatboy. They're as different as cars and trucks. Harleys are expensive because they have achieved cult status which is what they are marketing. You don't get that status by being cheap junk, they've been around basically since the beginning of motorcycling and have outlived every other brand. In terms of pure cost of metal, yeah, they're over priced, but in my opinion, so are the rest of them. Interestingly enough, I got to put about a thousand miles on the Fattie, it gets the same mpg as my Honda 750,(45-50) is way more cool looking (although I'm gonna make the Honda look bunches better), other than the trip meter knob falling off (which caused me a little irritation one night, didn't develop any new problems (it already had rear brake and electrical issues) and even with those problems not fixed I'd feel comfortable putting another thousand miles on it. But is it "better" than the Honda? Is the Hoinda "better"?  Being a musician, I appreciate a quality sound. They both have it.
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Re: SOHC'S ARE SMOOTH, BUT WHY DO THE HARLEYS SHAKE SO MUCH?
« Reply #54 on: November 02, 2009, 12:25:55 PM »
But, you do look cooler riding a Harley  ;D

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« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2009, 01:03:49 PM »
Saw this on another Forum and thought of this thread....




No problem, that Road King have crash bars everywhere  :-)

But I wonder what a knock against the road will feel with that braincap....

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Re: SOHC'S ARE SMOOTH, BUT WHY DO THE HARLEYS SHAKE SO MUCH?
« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2009, 01:16:27 PM »
But, you do look cooler riding a Harley  ;D

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« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2009, 01:17:05 PM »

But I wonder what a knock against the road will feel with that braincap....

Thats what I was thinking as well....with the jeans/t-shirt looking "cool" -yeah all fun and games till you fall off ;-)....look at the second pic and the limited contact of the front wheel....
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Re: SOHC'S ARE SMOOTH, BUT WHY DO THE HARLEYS SHAKE SO MUCH?
« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2009, 01:25:15 PM »

But I wonder what a knock against the road will feel with that braincap....

Thats what I was thinking as well....with the jeans/t-shirt looking "cool" -yeah all fun and games till you fall off ;-)....look at the second pic and the limited contact of the front wheel....
What is he holding in his hand in the first pic?
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« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2009, 01:31:31 PM »
Kinda makes an argument against floorboards.
Nothing, he is pointing his forefinger and pinky, you know, the "devil horns" thing.

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« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2009, 01:42:50 PM »
Nothing, he is pointing his forefinger and pinky, you know, the "devil horns" thing.

HAHAHAHA, that makes it even better. I missed that somehow.

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« Reply #61 on: November 02, 2009, 01:53:21 PM »
Yeah, cuz ya know, floorboards and hard bags and such just slow those old HDs down and are just a bugger to turn.... they got nothin.




If I could ride like that, I wouldn't care what brand I was on.  ;D Btw, I happen to like my HD.
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« Reply #62 on: November 02, 2009, 02:02:32 PM »

How many harleys can do this?

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« Reply #63 on: November 02, 2009, 02:16:22 PM »
Okay, a couple of things need to be corrected or more fully explained.  I go in historical order(Is that a real word?).

First, when the Japanese were first noticed in the early 60s, it was the Harley crowd that was doing the bad mouthing.  They saw what the Japanese could(and would) do to the market.  So they started referring to how disposable the Jap bikes were.  This went on for 15 to 20 years.  Some Japanese bike owners bought into this rhetoric, bringing in their relatively new Goldwings in for a rebuild, thinking they needed a cylinder bore.  Being winter, the dealers would reluctantly do the job, breaking bits in the process.

Then, as stated before, Harley never patented the sound of a single crank pin engine.  They did try and sue Honda when they came out with a single crank pin engine for the Shadow around 2000.  I can somewhat understand the lawsuit, because Honda did taunt Harley(that scene from The Holy Grail pops into my mind, but I digress).  The Shadow did have the "potato potato potato" sound that Harley is famous for.  And Honda did have a 2 page ad showing the profile of the Shadow, with the only caption "Made You Look" underneath.  Sure did piss off the Harley people.  But 2 times, the court said that Harley can't patent the sound of a particular type of engine.

I know I said this before, but as smart at marketing as Harley is, you'd thing they would know that if they were to build something else, in addition to a V-twin, they might have a much larger share of the market.  The Japanese have proven that they can built a better, cheaper cruiser.  Instead of marketing their way into the market, why not innovate their way in?
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« Reply #64 on: November 02, 2009, 02:40:02 PM »
This is an interesting thread and I'm pleased it hasn't fallen into the Harley bashing threads that other forums have, especially the GL1800 Goldwing forums. Say Harley over there and it's like ringing a door bell for Pavlov's dogs.
333 says they could have a larger share of the market but for what and who they are designed for I think they ARE the market. I've been to 5 Oyster Runs in Anancortes, Washington with an estimates 20,000 bikes, 3 Bikefests in Vegas, shown my 750's at numerous car/bike shows and ridden my Goldwing regulary and by far the Harley owners are the majority. I think you can add up all the other brands at these things and get less than 10% of the bikes there. Yes, the Japanese have built far better touring and cruising style bikes but they have a small portion of the market even if they are much cheaper, except for the Goldwing. It's not cheaper! Now, I did try to buy a Harley touring bike but found after a test ride I'm not a Harley rider and bought a Goldwing. Perhaps the Harleys are in the majority because the Harley owners attend these more than anyone else. I know at the Goldwing owners group here they get maybe a dozen bikes for a breakfast meeting. The Harley Owners Group have a huge group for their monthly meetings. The last one I saw must have has 100 bikes in the parking lot.
Yes, some of the Harley crowd continue to bad mouth, I guess it goes with the bad-ass few. They sure get upset when there's a crowd around my 750's and  few looking at their bikes. More often than not they ignore me when I'm on the 'Wing but that's their choice.
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« Reply #65 on: November 02, 2009, 02:50:15 PM »
Ultimately the rider makes the bike and the bike makes the rider. If the rider is an ass and it happens enough, then that image is associated with the bike. I will say certain bikes seem to empower some riders to be asses.
For a bit of an example. If you encounter a single hd rider, most of the time they just ignore you. But you get a group of them and they can become a bag of #$%*s. What I find funny though is that the CRUSTY hd riders will look at jap classics and can show appreciation for the bike. They have apparently ridden long enough to realize it is not the bike that matters, it is that you ride.

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« Reply #66 on: November 02, 2009, 02:54:59 PM »
From my experience, most of the CRUSTY HD riders either had a Honda SOHC4, knew someone that did or wanted one badly. I hear these comments all the time at the bike/car shows. It's the young, new HD riders that can be a pain in the ass. Gives new meaning to the term bad-ass.
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« Reply #67 on: November 02, 2009, 02:55:07 PM »
Saw this on another Forum and thought of this thread....



That's priceless! Poor bastard, the expression on his face in the second pic is too much...
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« Reply #68 on: November 02, 2009, 05:33:44 PM »
Saw this on another Forum and thought of this thread....
That's priceless! Poor bastard, the expression on his face in the second pic is too much...

Well, the only good news I can get from that third picture is, "at least he didn't high side it".  On second thought, I'm not sure there's any good news in that picture. 
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« Reply #69 on: November 02, 2009, 05:45:10 PM »
Perhaps the Harleys are in the majority because the Harley owners attend these more than anyone else.

That'd be my guess.

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« Reply #70 on: November 02, 2009, 05:48:58 PM »
Quote from: 333 link=topic=60837.msg660881#msg660881 date=12572001to 82

I know I said this before, but as smart at marketing as Harley is, you'd thing they would know that if they were to build something else, in addition to a V-twin, they might have a much larger share of the market.  The Japanese have proven that they can built a better, cheaper cruiser.  Instead of marketing their way into the market, why not innovate their way in?
Harley is in a very tough spot. They have built such an image very time they try to step out they fail. Buell and the V rod comes to mind.

What could they make? Japan and Europe own the sport bike segment, no one will buy are Harley over a Hiayabusa, Ducati, Honda or Kawasaki.  BMW owns the high end tourer along with Honda.

Harley is stuck in the V twin world. Yeah they could make a chopper like the Fury and sell more than Honda, they are a victim of their image. While they were building that image the other makers swallowed up the rest of the market.  They can sell a given amount off twin Harleys every year and that will be the new normal.

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« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2009, 08:10:36 PM »
The diversity I refer to is engine type.  I love the smoothness of an inline 4.  And I think someone needs to make one the doesn't buzz.  I think they do this because 2 pistons move in unison, even though they are at different positions, one at squeeze, and one at blow.  This would require a distributor of some sort, but I think it would work.  Then again, what do I know.  Today's sport bikes may even do it that way for all I know.

Harley's mistake with the V Rod was that it wasn't different enough and too different at the same time.  They were still marketing to the cruiser crowd, and being traditionalist by nature, it was too different.  And it wasn't different enough to attract outside of the cruiser crowd.  The Buell was probably just a victim of the current economy, although taking 25+ years to catch up with the Japanese and finally have a winning season on the track didn't help.
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« Reply #73 on: November 02, 2009, 09:33:20 PM »
magpie, I enjoyed your comments,  in particular..
 &The Oyster run, sounds like gobs of fun...

 Look at the size of the, membership of this forum, how many is there on it.. Mention a race like Bonneville that is a day or two ride away from many of the members..How many show up ???

 Very few, what did show up though was a lot of V twins, more than anything else.. go figure..

 I am glad I am interested in more than one brand, does not hurt to expand your horizons.... if you  only concentrate on one brand, you are probably missing out..

 Harley does not have to change their lineup, it took them through 100 years.. so after 20 years of not meeting demand, then finally catching up they have a few slower years.. not the end of the world for them.. Change your core product?.. I dont think so..
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« Reply #74 on: November 02, 2009, 10:28:13 PM »
OK guys, everyone seems to have forgotten the topic. Get over your hatred and pettiness. My Harley is a better bike than my Honda. And my twin cam counter balanced Harley engine that Porsche helped engineer doesn't shake that much. At least not like the older engines. I have no problem with it and I rather enjoy the feel. Simple but true observations. I invite anyone to take it for a ride should we meet up but it seems very few of our guys meet anywhere except on this site.

A bike doesn't make a rider! An #$%* is an #$%*. Bottom line.

Yes, I own a really nice Harley. It's my second one since 2001. The first one took a head-on collision with a van and I'm still here. Thats a testament to the sturdiness of it. Though I own a nice Harley, this site is the only biker group I frequent. Why? Because of my love of my 750 which I purchased new in 1975. Bottom line! If I want to keep my Honda on the road I MUST know it inside and out and I do. If something were to happen to my Harley, which it never has/had on either bike, it would go to the dealer to get repaired no matter how old it may get. That won't happen with an older Honda! A Harley is a Harley. Honda is Honda but they attempt to fit almost any niche. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention I also own a 1991 Honda Acura Legend which I also bought new, a 2005 Honda Acura RL and a 2006 Honda Pilot. I am a little biased towards Honda.

I've thought about a nice road bike but Honda has had nothing that interested me. The Gold Wing is one of the best bikes on the road without a doubt. I just don't want to ride a monster, not yet anyway. I don't want another Harley as I already have one I won't get rid of. A BMW would be the leading contender, at least until I see the new VFR1200F.

Bottom line boys, don't complain about what you don't have, never had, or can't get. Enjoy what you have but always strive to do better.

Hope to see you on the road no matter what you ride. Keep your eyes and your minds open.

Oh yeah, the subject. The newer Harleys with the twin cam B engine shake very little and the V-Rod (a completely Porsche designed engine) seems to have solved the problem too but even better.









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