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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #125 on: February 07, 2010, 03:03:43 PM »
So, I bought a 1/4" ID hose for the crossover. Then I got a brass nut/plug for the petcock. It fits pretty good but I'll put some pipe tape on the threads to make it more snug. I was looking at the gas cap hole... it has 2 slots in it so that makes it harder to fit something. They had black rubber plugs but I ended up with a toilet tank bulb (the thing that raises and lowers when flushing) and some silicone based goop. The plug wouldn't have given at all and I'm not sure it would have sealed well. The bulb fits really well, I'll add the silicone (5 min setup time) on the notched parts and the rim, making a seal. I figure I'll tape the bulb down tight too just to be sure. Then I'll use a funnel to fill the tank through the petcock hole and screw that on. We'll see if it works. I'll take some pics here pretty soon as I'm about to head back out to the garage. I just needed a sandwich first.  ;D

I also ended up getting a bottle of Ospho, I think it's called. I have few spots on the frame I would like to use it on. Have any of you used this stuff before? I just got some paint brushes in different widths. Not nylon bristles as I figured they wouldn't last at all.
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #126 on: February 07, 2010, 10:42:01 PM »
I got sidetracked so I just finally got to put the works in the tank. I'm still letting it do it's thing but here's some pics...

crusty rusty tank


toilet bulb with the extras cut off


crossover and plug



fitting up bulb in fuel hole


added some silicone goo because of the notches and taped it down. It set up in about 10 min. I can peel it off when done.


the bulb is nice because it has that flat part that sits against the top of the tank opening. I was able to get a good seal there. :) I already see that I have movement at the crossover tubing which was completely clogged before. I hope this works. It was pretty rusty in there. I ended up diluting the works by about 3:1. I'm wondering if that will keep it from doing a good enough job? I can always try again tomorrow with full strength if needed. I just didn't want to overdo it tonight.

Time to go slosh it around in there and give it a check to see how it's coming.
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #127 on: February 08, 2010, 12:10:57 AM »
Well, it did pretty good but I will do it one more time since there is some rust still in there. I just didn't get good coverage in parts of it but it did make a huge difference where it soaked in well. I think since it was not full strength, that was the difference. I figured I'd let it go for tonight since it's late. I will put it in at full strength tomorrow though.

Here's the pics.
I got this much out about 5 times...  :o


This is what I ended up with.


I will treat it again tomorrow. The flash rust is pretty quick too.


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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #128 on: February 12, 2010, 02:01:11 PM »
Looking good Mickey, I haven't caught up with your project for a while but you girls certainly progress your bikes at a good rate.
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #129 on: February 13, 2010, 05:44:26 AM »
Are you putting anything in with the Works to knock rust loose? I saw a post here recently where someone used sharp drywall screws, and after adding the Works and screws, he shook it for about five minutes. The screws knocked loose all sorts of rust that the Works alone wouldn't have pulled off.

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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #130 on: February 13, 2010, 02:47:03 PM »
Nope. That was a very heavy coat of rust to start with and it is all gone now. The pic shows what it got loose with it being diluted. Then we put it in full strength the next day because it just doesn't seem to be strong enough with water added. Clean as a whistle now. No nails or chain used. I'm not saying that will work for everyone, but it did get it all out for me. I think I really should have gone full strength first and got it over with though. I have another tank for this bike, the smaller CL version, that is even worse inside. I have been waiting to see how this one did before I do that one. I was going to dunk it in the molasses mix but now I think I will just do the works on it as it's much faster. An hour compared to a month seems worth it. I will go full strength with no nails on this one too to see how it compares. I'll post the difference/similarities here and on the "works" thread.

Now I just have to figure out what to do with this big jug of farm grade molasses.  ::)
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #131 on: February 13, 2010, 10:24:53 PM »
A huuuge pile of pan cakes maybe? ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #132 on: February 13, 2010, 10:49:09 PM »
Well, there are always some parts that are a bit rusty here and there so I may soak them in it but... that really is a #$%* load of molasses.  :D
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #133 on: February 14, 2010, 03:46:55 PM »
Nope. That was a very heavy coat of rust to start with and it is all gone now. The pic shows what it got loose with it being diluted. Then we put it in full strength the next day because it just doesn't seem to be strong enough with water added. Clean as a whistle now.
Well, it's a bad day when I can't learn something new. So thanks for the toilet cleaner idea. I wouldn't have thought of that ever. Couldn't find The Works locally, so I bought four 24 oz. bottles of Ace Hardware brand for $2.79 each. It's 8% hydrochloric acid. Tossed in some large gravel and the four bottles. Agitated occasionally, and voila! But my contamination was mostly dried fuel residue, not rust. There was a small amount of surface rust, and that's gone too.

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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #134 on: February 14, 2010, 04:00:16 PM »
Well, the works wasn't my idea but I'm glad it worked for you. The Works has 20% hydrogen chloride in it, as a comparison.
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #135 on: February 15, 2010, 09:55:08 AM »
I also ended up getting a bottle of Ospho, I think it's called. I have few spots on the frame I would like to use it on. Have any of you used this stuff before? I just got some paint brushes in different widths. Not nylon bristles as I figured they wouldn't last at all.
Used Ospho quite a bit when I was in school, if you work around boats, especially in the marine environs, it's a must have. Just make sure to remove all the loose and flakey stuff first. Never had a problem with melting nylon bristles (maybe if you left the brush sit in it for days..), but it will sting yer eyes...
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #136 on: February 20, 2010, 06:27:38 PM »
hey, can I use that stuff on a rusty chrome fender?
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2010, 07:32:23 AM »
I don't think it'll discolor chrome, but it's been a long time..... it's not a rust REMOVER, it's a bare metal treatment that converts (as I recall) ferrous oxide to ferric oxide, those red rust spots will turn black and be very hard. They wont rust again, but those rusty spots that do come off with a bit of scrubbing and aren't really pits yet, may be more difficult to remove after treatment. Usual procedure is to remoe all visible rust first then treat, then repaint, but with chrome, you'll have to live with little black spots if its pitted....
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2010, 12:22:25 PM »
the chrome is good on top of the fender, it's the under side that needs some love. I was thinking of using the wire wheel, then put on the ospho and then using bedliner under there. not on the top though unless I see that maybe I should just do the whole thing that way on closer inspection. I was just thinking, would I have to take off all the chrome on the under side then or would the ospho "stick" to the good parts too but I think I understand now. Thanks.  :)
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #139 on: February 22, 2010, 02:47:22 AM »
Thinking about it a bit more, since the rust creates a hole thru the chrome, there would probably be a little ring around the rust pit, but on the bottomside of the fender, who cares. Its not sticky when applied, does get a little bit as it dries, but once it's dried, the oxidation is stopped and the treated part can be rinsed with water, and refinished (or not) to your preference. Treated spots won't rust again, but it won't prevent rust from happening when there is new damage to the metal coating (paint, chrome, bedliner, etc..) that exposes bare metal. A good wirebrushing and ospho treatment followed with a coat of bedliner and that fender would prolly outlast any fender made today. On the other hand, unless you've got holes thru the fender, it would seem the chrome (which is usually a bit lower quality on the bottom side) has done a pretty good job of protecting the metal for the last 40+ yrs, bedliners prolly overkill. Then again, you could do the whole bike with bedliner (a friend of mine painted his K-5 Blazer with it)....seriously off road mean and nasty lookin....just don't rub no bare skin on it....
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #140 on: February 22, 2010, 11:34:04 AM »
my bike is actually getting the bed liner treatment. It has the '72-73 white sorta 'wing' design on it and the white paint's in good shape, so I'm masking it off and putting bedliner over the sun-destroyed blue.  It's far, far beyond repair, but I think the contrast between matte bedliner and that shiny, smooth white will look good. 
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2010, 11:14:32 PM »
Oh Kit, you're just such a girl! ;D
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #142 on: February 23, 2010, 12:03:40 AM »
lol
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #143 on: February 23, 2010, 07:17:24 AM »
Kit: my '70 titled CL350 was the identical model to yours! Brings back big memories.

The crumpled float: if you drill a tiny (1/16") hole in one of the flat side of the float, then hit it briefly with a puff of high-pressure air, it will pop 90% of those bends and wrinkles out. Then you can solder the little hole shut with a soldering gun or torch and some acid-core solder.

The damage you see came from an unknowing individual blasting air into the fuel hose entry to the carb: I've seen it dozens of times. They thought they were "blowing out the carb" when they were really just crushing the floats.  :(

The oil filter: if you haven't figured it out yet, you just clean it out and put the cover back on. It's a centrifugal slinger type which spins the crud out of the oil against the wall of the cylinder.

The '68-'69-'70 CL350 made 33 HP (its CB sibling made 36, difference was in the restrictive CL pipes) and most of its power is right in the midrange. They make terrifc around-town bikes as the result!

The biggest weakness of those bikes: the rubber diaphragms on the carbs get little cracks in them. Then the slide will not respond to throttle openings, and after letting the throttle go, tend to hang a little which makes the revs drop down slowly. They are available still, but expensive: you can get a temporary fix on the cracks with a couple of layers of Pliobond glue and some REAL thin rubber: it often lasts for a season or so. I fix up several 350/360 bikes each year for local riders, great bikes! The 350 is a better bike overall than the 360, though.  ;)
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #144 on: February 23, 2010, 12:46:21 PM »
I need a new chain anyway... so I'm wondering if I change the rear sprocket from a 38 to a 36 tooth, which is apparently what the CB version had, if that changes the length of the chain I need? I know it's a stupid question but I've found answers saying yes and saying no. I'd like to get the rest of my parts ready to do a massive chunk of work on this before Kit has to be in school fulltime. I'm thinking I could get a bit more speed for when I want to hit the highway for short stints. Am I thinking correctly on that?

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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #145 on: February 23, 2010, 12:55:41 PM »
so, for my fork seals... #18 on here...



I'm looking and can't order that top rubber seal on there from anywhere. It's shot.



There are some "seal sets" on feebay but I'm not sure they include that part. Is that considered the top seal or is it some other part? If it's truly not a part of the "seal kit", can I maybe get lucky and match a rubber seal up at the hardware store?
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #146 on: February 23, 2010, 02:28:34 PM »
That's not really a "seal" as such, more a stop the rain getting in behind the headlight ears thingy.
I'd use some black silicone and wipe it with a rag before it sets to get the edge profile you want.

Mickey, if you use a smaller rear sprocket you will have more chain to play with, so you will probably have to remove links to get your old chain to fit.

As I remember it, smaller rear sprocket = slower acceleration but better for highway running as it lowers your bikes demand for revs.
Bigger back sprocket= quicker off the line acceleration (like for trail bikes) but on the highway you seem to run out of gearing real quick.
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #147 on: February 23, 2010, 06:03:02 PM »
We have neoprene at Baxter's, so we can go get some and cut you a seal or two. ;)
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #148 on: February 23, 2010, 07:41:13 PM »
This is something I want to upgrade. I'll probably put in an H-4 bulb.



I do need a new ring around it unless I can straighten that one out. It got dinged in. Overall, not rusted though.

The points... the left one has a little gap and the right one is touching... I have no idea what that means.  ::) :D



Ummm...I think you'll find that the alternator will not keep up with an H4 halogen bulb in the 350...You might try and see if you can get an H2 or H3 instead: they have the halogen brightness, but at 10+ watts less consumption. If you can't find one locally, let me know: TFOG out here often has those harder-to-find bulbs, even for the 350F.
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Re: '69 350 Scrambler in the works...
« Reply #149 on: February 24, 2010, 06:42:04 AM »
Hi Hondaman & MickeyX
     There is a 45/45 watt H-4 bulb. I believe that it is the original bulb in some of the twin headlight Hondas. Sort of half way between the stock 25/35 watt bulb and the 55/60 watt H-4.
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