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Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« on: November 05, 2009, 07:24:08 PM »
Bikey (my 1982 CB650SC) is ailing again and so I appeal to the group mind for help (or at least, consolation).

I was riding home on my 28 mile (one way) commute when I thumbed the right blinker as I exited the HOV lane.  No blinker!  Damn, I thought.  That's no good. 

I exited the freeway and stopped for the light.  Still no operating blinkers. 

Damn!  The bike died.  Not enough battery to restart it, so I pushed it down the road to the Bank of America parking lot.  I pulled the left side cover (site of  the previous electrical mystery), but everything seemed okay.

I pulled out my Blackberry, texted my wife and my assistant den leader (yes, I had a Cub Scout den meeting tonight), then I called my the American Motorcyclist Association roadserve service number.  45 minutes for the wrecker, so I pushed the bike to a more visible spot and walked next door to Whataburger.

Twenty minutes later, I figured "why not give it a try" and turned the switch and hit the start button.  Varooommm -- Bikey started right up!  And now the turn signals were working again.  Argghhhh!!!!!


So, now Bikey is siting safely in my garage on the battery tender.  He starts and runs fine and the only thing that was obviously wrong was that the oil was low (I'm waiting on a new oil pressure light switch because mine weeps oil). 

What the heck is up???

Can anyone think of a reason my blinkers would go out AND the bike would die when hot, but be fine once it cooled off?

To be honest, I did pull the headlight bucket off Sunday when I replaced the lights in the tach and speedo.  But how could that cause Bikey to die, and why wait four days to do it? (It's not like I wasn't haulin ass on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday)

I guess I have to drive the cage to work tomorrow, and I HATE driving to work!

Any ideas?

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 08:31:11 PM »
Might be time to re-visit the h/l bucket and undo and re-do each connection in there.....also I think a failing ign. switch would act like that just before quitting for good....!
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 08:49:01 PM »
make sure your battery terminals are nice and clean too, pull the cables off and scrub both terminals and cable ends good, re-assemble them then use either dielectric grease or wd-40 if you dont have the grease, to prevent further corrosion.
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2009, 03:06:03 AM »
Might be time to re-visit the h/l bucket and undo and re-do each connection in there.....also I think a failing ign. switch would act like that just before quitting for good....!
+1 on the ign. switch,  Had a similar situation a while back, and it was because of the switch getting too hot from the dirty internal contacts that the palstic holding the contacts started to melt!  Took apart the switch (carefuly) and cleaned everything up and viola! no more problem.  (disclaimer: individual results may vary  ;D )
Also, check the fuse holder and the fuses for overheating due to dirty and/or corroded fuse clips which could cause the fuses to melt on the ends.  Steve F.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2009, 08:29:16 AM »
Okay, battery is new and terminals are clean with dielectric grease.

Ignition switch is less than one year since rebuild.

I will check the fuses and then (reluctantly) open up the headlight bucket.   ::) 

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2009, 01:55:38 AM »
I hate to say check your charging, but a low battery would cause the engine to not start right away, but let it sit for awhile and they seem to regain a portion of the charge, possibly enough to restart the bike.

Corroded connections cause resistance, which causes heat, which causes more resistance.  My number one rule of electrical trouble is check and clean connections.
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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2009, 08:01:00 AM »
any of ur fuse holders look melted at all? if so id look at the wires inside the fuse panel
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2009, 03:17:04 PM »
Or, a bad battery could cause the problem.  At least, Cycle Gear says the battery tests bad and replaced it today.

I am still going to check my ground in the headlight bucket and I will probably throw the scope on the output again, just for grins.  However, the short answer is that my new YUASA battery seems to have gone South.

Just in case, I'm going to take the cage to work tomorrow (I have an appointment I HAVE to make) and will probably ride in Tuesday.  Heck, I have 2 more free tows left on my AMA Champion membership, so what the heck!


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I hate to say check your charging, but a low battery would cause the engine to not start right away, but let it sit for awhile and they seem to regain a portion of the charge, possibly enough to restart the bike.

Corroded connections cause resistance, which causes heat, which causes more resistance.  My number one rule of electrical trouble is check and clean connections.
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2009, 03:23:57 PM »
What they said and one more on the fuse block. We just had that yesterday on my brothers 74. We robbed a project bike of it's fuse block and it's  been fine since. The signal issue sounds a little different though.
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2009, 06:06:37 PM »
An update:

I had the battery checked out and it was bad.  I got it replaced under warranty at Cycle Gear and also checked the ground in the headlight bucket.  Rode to work yesterday and not problems getting there.

However, on the way home it did it again.  This time on the freaking HOV lane.  This time, I was paying a little more attention.

The lights did not dim, they just went out.  Headlight, running lights and blinkers just cut out.  A few miles later, the engine cut out, too.

After cooling down for a while, the lights came back on, but I couldn't get her to restart.

This morning I tried starting the bike and my battery was, while still powering the lights pretty brightly, too weak to turn it over.  After 20 minutes on the trickle charger she cranked right up!

So, I am thinking there is something shorting out when the bike gets hot.  What do you all think?

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2009, 06:30:26 PM »
Just a thought, but is your exhaust on the "loud" side, enough so that you couldn't hear the starter motor turning while the engine is running?  I once had a starter button that got stuck, and I didn't know it for quite some time, and it could have done some real damage if I didn't notice it, or maybe make the battery go flat.
I'd still have a look at the BACK side of the fuse holder where all the wires connect, and look for bad/cold solder joints and corrosion, and if that checks out, I would take a look at the ign. switch.  Be sure the fuse holder clips are shiney clean and tight on the fuses.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2009, 09:04:57 PM »
All tho' Cycle Gear changed-out the battery, it was not bad off-the-shelf, just depleted cos' your charging system ( horror of horrors )  is not working. Time to put the meter on the battery and read the voltage@ 2,000, 3,000, 4.000 and 5,000 rpm..... I think you have done this before, Lee.! I have rode sucessfully for 2 hours on a fully charged battery with a no-charging alt. and did not even know until it all quit, no warning.....
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #12 on: November 13, 2009, 09:23:29 PM »
This sounds a lot like a bad rectifier. It will slowly drain a battery when cold, and drain the whole system pretty quickly after it gets hot. Look for these indicators, if you don't know how to use an ohmmeter to check the rectifier:

1. Curled-up, overheated paint on the rectifier fins.
2. Overheated connector where the rectifier plugs in: it may be discolored and/or melted.
3. Dirty or melted engine connector (at the top left rear of the engine). These are often in poor condition from years of carwash soap eating away at the contacts inside, which makes the alternator charge poorly. Try unplugging it, cleaning the blades with a tiny flat screwdriver, and reassemble to see if it helps.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2009, 01:54:08 PM »
Well, I got good news, and bad news.



The good news is --  I think I've found the problem!





 
 
 
 



The bad news is it appears my stator is toast.

With the bike running, I got nada, zilch voltage coming out of the regulator/rectifier.  Working my way backwards, I pulled the connector from the stator to the reg/rec and a big bunch of nothing from there, too.

I put the VOM to the leads from the stator with the engine off, as per the Clymer manual.  I got infinite resistance between the yellow lines. 

Then I physically pulled the stator and I saw crispy wires where the yellow wires attach to the stator. 

I'm open to other suggestions, but as the stator is the only part of the charging system that I have not already replaced, I think I have a "winner."
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2009, 08:00:35 PM »
Just to check were on the same page..... if a Digital meter then set it for lowest R option ( probably 200 ohms ). Red and black leads touched together = 0 ohms,( might read 0.1 or 0.2 ohms) separated = 'OL' in display....so, the stator on your bike, any yellow to any yellow with connector undone, should read about 0.5 ohms...an analogue meter may not be accurate enough to show a reading so low the needle would swing all the way, same as touching the leads together..... I'm sure your aware of this, you and Kit were 'married' in a charging problem already...!!, right..
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2009, 11:22:01 PM »
That is my understanding, too. 

I would not be so convince if not for the following:

1. DC volts coming out of the regulator/rectifier = 0.00

2. AC volts coming out of the wires from stator to reg/rec = 0.00

3. Resistance of any yellow/yellow pair = 1 (infinity, same as if VOM leads not touching)

4. Existence of "crispy" wires in stator (the bare wires which basically are looped over the ends of the insulated yellow wires).

A few weeks ago, I was getting 12 to 13.5 volts coming out of the reg/rec (depending on RPM).  Zero just ain't right!


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Just to check were on the same page..... if a Digital meter then set it for lowest R option ( probably 200 ohms ). Red and black leads touched together = 0 ohms,( might read 0.1 or 0.2 ohms) separated = 'OL' in display....so, the stator on your bike, any yellow to any yellow with connector undone, should read about 0.5 ohms...an analogue meter may not be accurate enough to show a reading so low the needle would swing all the way, same as touching the leads together..... I'm sure your aware of this, you and Kit were 'married' in a charging problem already...!!, right..
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2009, 07:49:11 AM »
this may sound obvious, but make sure your meter is even working by putting it to a know source, the batt of the bike or even your car....i thought my stator was bad, but in my research it seem that there is very very few stator failures.   
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2009, 08:08:43 AM »
4. Existence of "crispy" wires in stator (the bare wires which basically are looped over the ends of the insulated yellow wires).

The stator wiring itself is not 'bare' but rather insulated with enamel which is a sorta brown color.  The wiring may not be actually crispy, unless there's bubbling or flaking evident, or obvious scorch marks.  That said, if you do have a failure in the enamel, it would manifest as a direct short of the stator coil (0 ohms resistance).  For infinite resistance there has to be a mechanical failure of some sort, ie a broken wire.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2009, 08:34:09 AM »
this may sound obvious, but make sure your meter is even working by putting it to a know source, the batt of the bike or even your car....i thought my stator was bad, but in my research it seem that there is very very few stator failures.   

Obvious enough that it ocurred to me.  ;D

My battery (right off the tricle charger) shows 12.5 volts. 

However, the charging circuit shows zero volts.

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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2009, 08:42:16 AM »

The stator wiring itself is not 'bare' but rather insulated with enamel which is a sorta brown color.  The wiring may not be actually crispy, unless there's bubbling or flaking evident, or obvious scorch marks.  That said, if you do have a failure in the enamel, it would manifest as a direct short of the stator coil (0 ohms resistance).  For infinite resistance there has to be a mechanical failure of some sort, ie a broken wire.

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I was unclear.  There are little bare wires which basically lace the insulated yellow wires to the rim of the stator.  Those wires were brittle and broke off in my hand.

I might have one broken wire in the yellows, but I can't see all of them being broken.  I figure, if I can get a rewound stator for about $120 bucks which will include a new stator harness.  And it is hte only part of the charging system I haven't replaced on a nearly 30,000 mile bike.

I dunno -- If I get motivated later today, I might go check continuity on the stator harness. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2009, 08:45:17 AM »
Get some pics if you can, but yeah if you can score a rewound stator and harness for $120 that seems like the safe way to go.

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2009, 09:18:57 AM »
That is my understanding, too. 

I would not be so convince if not for the following:

1. DC volts coming out of the regulator/rectifier = 0.00

2. AC volts coming out of the wires from stator to reg/rec = 0.00

3. Resistance of any yellow/yellow pair = 1 (infinity, same as if VOM leads not touching)

4. Existence of "crispy" wires in stator (the bare wires which basically are looped over the ends of the insulated yellow wires).

A few weeks ago, I was getting 12 to 13.5 volts coming out of the reg/rec (depending on RPM).  Zero just ain't right!


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Just to check were on the same page..... if a Digital meter then set it for lowest R option ( probably 200 ohms ). Red and black leads touched together = 0 ohms,( might read 0.1 or 0.2 ohms) separated = 'OL' in display....so, the stator on your bike, any yellow to any yellow with connector undone, should read about 0.5 ohms...an analogue meter may not be accurate enough to show a reading so low the needle would swing all the way, same as touching the leads together..... I'm sure your aware of this, you and Kit were 'married' in a charging problem already...!!, right..

You are now the fourth person to report a burned-up SOHC alternator from one of those shunt regulator Reg-Rec units.

I'd encourage you to go back to the OEM regulator with your new one, lest you get hit again. The Reg-Rec regulators make the alternators get real hot on these bikes, and the insulation on these parts are not rated for that kind of heat. If the bike is ridden infrequently and for short trips, those Reg-recs can work out OK, but even the CB360T (like the one I'm working on now) suffer insulation damage from those shunt regulators if used in commuting or touring service.

I have a post somewhere about these gadgets and how they work: maybe search for it and study it, so you know the issues?   ;)
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2009, 10:03:25 AM »
What is the difference between OEM and the oregonmotorcycleparts reg/rec?


That is my understanding, too. 

I would not be so convince if not for the following:

1. DC volts coming out of the regulator/rectifier = 0.00

2. AC volts coming out of the wires from stator to reg/rec = 0.00

3. Resistance of any yellow/yellow pair = 1 (infinity, same as if VOM leads not touching)

4. Existence of "crispy" wires in stator (the bare wires which basically are looped over the ends of the insulated yellow wires).

A few weeks ago, I was getting 12 to 13.5 volts coming out of the reg/rec (depending on RPM).  Zero just ain't right!


Lee

Just to check were on the same page..... if a Digital meter then set it for lowest R option ( probably 200 ohms ). Red and black leads touched together = 0 ohms,( might read 0.1 or 0.2 ohms) separated = 'OL' in display....so, the stator on your bike, any yellow to any yellow with connector undone, should read about 0.5 ohms...an analogue meter may not be accurate enough to show a reading so low the needle would swing all the way, same as touching the leads together..... I'm sure your aware of this, you and Kit were 'married' in a charging problem already...!!, right..

You are now the fourth person to report a burned-up SOHC alternator from one of those shunt regulator Reg-Rec units.

I'd encourage you to go back to the OEM regulator with your new one, lest you get hit again. The Reg-Rec regulators make the alternators get real hot on these bikes, and the insulation on these parts are not rated for that kind of heat. If the bike is ridden infrequently and for short trips, those Reg-recs can work out OK, but even the CB360T (like the one I'm working on now) suffer insulation damage from those shunt regulators if used in commuting or touring service.

I have a post somewhere about these gadgets and how they work: maybe search for it and study it, so you know the issues?   ;)
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2009, 01:34:10 PM »
What is the difference between OEM and the oregonmotorcycleparts reg/rec?


He sells different types, which one(s) do you have?

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2009, 01:43:55 PM »
I was wondering the same thing, so I asked.

Tony says I have the "current limiting" regulator/rectifier.  The shunt type are for permanent-magnet alternators and he doesn't make them, anyway.


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What is the difference between OEM and the oregonmotorcycleparts reg/rec?


He sells different types, which one(s) do you have?

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2009, 08:29:58 PM »
The combination reg-rec units I have seen are similar to the Kawasaki and Suzuki regulators of the late 1970s. They consist of a pair of triacs or SCRs that shunt the unneeded current back into the alternator, rather than the battery, hence the term "shunt" (this is an electrical design term). There is another form of "shunt" regulator, a brute-force shunt, that just shorts out the extra current as heat. These types usually have sizable heatsinks to handle that heat. Old Brit bikes have these, as a zener diode shunt. The CX500 Honda also had these, and had pretty short life, as did the alternators on those bikes, from the heat.

The type that are overheating these SOHC alternators are the ones that an electrical designer would call a "Shunt" regulator. I imagine the general marketing industry would call them "solid-state" regulators.

The SOHC regulator system is [electrically termed] a "voltage limiter" system. It monitors the voltage across the coil of the regulator itself (which in this case is the same as Ignition Circuit voltage), using the fixed resistor on the back of the regulator to convert the voltage to a specific current. The coil in the regulator is just a specialized relay that pulls itself open partway, based on the amount of current entering its coil. If it pulls far enough to open the "relaxed" contact, the alternator's field only receives about 1/2 the normal current, so it drops to about 1/2 the normal output power. If the voltage gets too high (above 13.2 volts on these bikes) the coil pulls in all the way and shorts out the field. This makes the alternator output drop to a few tenths of an amp.

The "Reg-Rec" units on many bikes after 1979 consist of a bridge rectifer that uses 4 diodes and 2 SCRs (or Triacs, in some units, which act similarly). These fancy devices act like a diode when turned ON, but act like a high-ohms resistor when OFF. They operate on AC current in this case, and if the Ignition voltage gets above 14.5 volts (typically on these units) they turn ON for the pulse of power from the alternator phase to which they are connected. Their other end is connected to the next winding on the alternator, which at that moment is at a lower voltage than the one being measured (because 3-phase alternators have 60 degrees of AC phase shift from one coil to the next), and it short-circuits the extra power into the next coil. This makes the next coil reduce its output and it "fights back" magnetically at the rotor, which then causes heating in the windings of the coil. Most of the reg-rec units I have seen have just 2 of these phase-shorting SCRs or Triacs, but a few have three as well.

In any case...the field gets turned ON at full current with most Reg-rec units, which is why the output voltage jumps up so high. One solution might be to install one of the Honda resistors from the back of the OEM regulator into the field wire: this would at least reduce the heating overall. The peak voltage would then drop down to something like 13.5 volts instead of the hot 14.5 usually seen. I suppose if I ever get one of these units, I could find a way to test this possibility...

The stock Honda regulators can be adjusted to generate less voltage limiting, which in effect increase the alternator output, too. It would do so without overheating the alternator, too.

...that's why I've started "refurbishing" some of the OEM units: I'm adjusting them for a little higher output, to cope with the [largely] cheaper batteries we are all seeing from China lately. These batteries are coming to Wal-Mart and some auto stores with the Champion label: they have recycled lead in the plates. This makes them store less energy and they "leak" more internally. The result is lower system voltage on vehicles with "voltage limiter" alternator regulators (including old '60s Fords and Chevies!).
« Last Edit: November 15, 2009, 08:31:41 PM by HondaMan »
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2009, 08:37:37 PM »
Bikey lives!!!  ;D ;D ;D


From 0 volts to 14.1 volts after installing the rebuilt stator.  I think we have a winner!


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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2009, 06:17:09 AM »
Sorry to hi-jack this thread...Hondaman is this the Reg/rec regulators you're talking about?    http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/parts/part_40964/
 I had thought about replacing my regulator and rectifier on my cb750 K0. are these not so good? Thanks, John
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2009, 08:46:42 AM »
Sorry to hi-jack this thread...Hondaman is this the Reg/rec regulators you're talking about?    http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/parts/part_40964/
 I had thought about replacing my regulator and rectifier on my cb750 K0. are these not so good? Thanks, John

That one looks like the one that was on my bike when I got it.  (And which is probably okay, but I jumped the gun on replacing it).

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2009, 09:18:19 AM »
Sorry to hi-jack this thread...Hondaman is this the Reg/rec regulators you're talking about?    http://www.davidsilverspares.co.uk/parts/part_40964/
 I had thought about replacing my regulator and rectifier on my cb750 K0. are these not so good? Thanks, John

I'm sorry, but I don't know what is inside of those particular units.

The ones I have 'analyzed' are usually touted to "boost your battery voltage" as part of their fanfare. Those are the reg-rec units I was typing about, above.

Replacing a stock Honda regulator with something that works similarly (like a solid-state field regulator from a Ford) will often raise the battery voltage a little if the old regulator's HI current contact was pitted (which can happen over time). Overall, this would have the same effect as cleaning and dressing the contacts inside the old regulator, though.
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« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2009, 02:03:10 PM »
Thanks guys, John.
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #31 on: November 22, 2009, 08:17:20 PM »
An update:

Ran 400 miles Saturday to Hutto, Texas and back for the Two Wheeled Texans pie run.  Except for it raining the whole way up there (and being cold, but I'm the dumbo that left the liners out of his jacket and pants), the trip was fine.

Bikey ran like a top (okay, he used a bit of oil) and there were NO electrical problems

Now to see if there is an oil leak, or if bikey is just burning oil.  Oh, and the running rich problem...

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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2009, 08:33:56 PM »
Great, Lee...did you put your old rec./regulator back on your bike ?, hope so or more ' fried stator' down the road...just in MHO.
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Re: Yet ANOTHER Strange and Baffling Electrical Problem (Dammit!)
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2009, 09:00:20 PM »
Great, Lee...did you put your old rec./regulator back on your bike ?, hope so or more ' fried stator' down the road...just in MHO.

I put the Oregonmotorcycleparts.com reg/rec back on my bike.  Tony tells me it is not a shunt unit, but works like the OEM unit, but from better components.  I trust Tony.  He has steered me right, so far.

www.oregonmotorcycleparts.com for electrical connectors and regulators from Tony.
www.customrewind.com for rewound rotors and stators and other stuff from Gary in Birmingham, Alabama.

Great parts and great service from both gentlemen. Sa-lutt

Now I just gotta git jiggy with it an find where the oil is going --leaking or buning???

And what about the gas --too rich, too lean, or JUST right?
Nuf said.  
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