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Offline JohnCurW

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« on: November 05, 2009, 12:54:42 PM »
I'm considering diving into my first project bike, problem is I don't have any of my own tools.
What are the basics that I'll need for a 750?
Any Ideas where I could get some decent tools on the cheap?

Heres the bike I'm considering:

http://oklahomacity.craigslist.org/mcy/1450148042.html
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 12:58:44 PM »
i have used craftsman tools all my life (well, the entire part of my life i've been wrenching) both at home and as a professional mechanic (heavy duty diesels for freightliner and bmw/triumph motorcycles) and their tools, even the household line are an excellent choice. i have the higher end professional quality tools now and for less money than snap-on or mac, or any of the "truck" tools you get the same tools, literally, in alot of cases the wrenches and sockets and drives are all made by the same manufacturer and just stamped with the different retailers names. i'll never use anything but craftsman.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 01:04:51 PM »
+1 on Craftsman tools

Don't go cheap, you will own them for a long time.

How much is the 78 in the ad?

Have you seem it in person?

If you don't have much experience with these bikes and you are serioius about it, make a separate post asking if there is someone local to you that would go with you for an evaluation.
The folks here are real knowledgeable and friendly.

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Re: Tools...
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 01:05:00 PM »
yeah, i was going to suggest craftsman as well. they have the 100$ set, that will have almost everything.

but to be frank, i think that is even overkill. i think i've used 3-4 sizes (sockets, wrenches) and screw drivers for regular stuff. I don't recall ever need a special tool. And I've rebuilt the top end on my CB550. Maybe a torque wrench.

Another good thing to have would be an impact driver (drive off old rusty screws, etc). Hammer, saw.. basic stuff.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 01:11:12 PM »
You can buy good tools cheaply. Look out for yard sales, flea markets etc.

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 01:19:34 PM »
I would suggest from a novice point of view the following base on work I have done on my 1976 CB750A.

Download a service / repair manual or purchase one.  Make sure it has an electrical diagram you can actually see.
Impact driver.
Multimeter tester.  (Volts, Ohms, Amps)
Timing light.
Feeler gauges
Metric wrenches and sockets. Channel-lock pliers. Screw-drivers. Misc hand tools.
There are a variety of special tools designed for specific maintenance and repair tasks that you should look into when you need to.  (I.E. carb. sync gauges.)

This is only a starting suggestion. Enough to make you as dangerous as I am concerning repairs.

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Re: Tools...
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2009, 01:37:13 PM »
Thanks guys,

I allready have a 78' 750A, but it came with 2000 miles and in pristine condition so I haven't had to do too terribly much tinkering. 

As far as finding someone else to go check it out with me, I'm in Tulsa (the bike is in Oklahoma City) and from what I can tell there aren't any other really active members from OKC area on here.

The bike is $750 (1$ per cc I guess), I figured if it was in decent shape I would offer him $550.  I haven't seen it in person yet, but I plan on checking it out this weekend.  The ad is linked in my first post, Bike looks good but with the picture quality It's hard to tell.

Ad says that the owner was considering making a bobber out of it, so really its like I'm rescuing the poor thing (no offense to those of you here that have chopped a SOHC-4).

Looks like either way I'll be investing in some craftsmen tools though.  Thanks all for the quick responses.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 08:10:54 AM »
does craftsman still lifetime warranty their products?  I broke a 1/4 socket wrench the other day...
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 08:13:26 AM »
nevermind... Wikipedia just saved the day

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craftsman_(tools)

Lifetime warranty, another reason to spend more cash on these tools
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 08:26:28 AM »
Be a bit careful with Craftsman, at least up here..

 You wear out or break an old piece, take it in for replacement.. they hand you something not even close in Quality or appearance, then they say.. Thats what we carry now!"   :(
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 10:08:28 AM »
+1 on craftsmen. My grandfather and father both bought craftsmen sets when they were in their 20's. Both still have them to this day. I just got mine last month.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 10:11:47 AM »
Speaking of getting tools replaced... Husky... :(

I broke a rachet, and took it in to HomeDepot. They say since it was beyond the 30 days, I need to call the 1800. They tell me, I need the original receipt. I bought this tool over six years ago. B**ches. "Lifetime warranty", read the fine print.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2009, 10:24:20 AM »
+1 on the impact driver...pretty much a must for any Japanese bike. After a while, even being careful, those phillips heads get chawed up, it's a good idea to eventually replace them with Allen head screws.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2009, 10:51:22 AM »
Just a thought, I buy 1-off tools (like angle grinders, bench grinders, etc) from Harbor Freight. The tools are _CHEAP_. As time goes on and I use the bench grinder (or whatever) enough to burn it out, then I buy a more professional tool.

For example, I bought a biscuit joiner for $19 from harbor, and I used it like, 4 times. So, good buy.

Bought a bench grinder for around the same price, and beat the piss out of it, so I figured since I am using it a lot, the next one was a porter-cable.

Why spend a lot on a tool that turns out you don't use it a lot?

Note: Their compression tester kit is off by at least 20lbs. Compared to my father's craftsman, anyway.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2009, 12:48:41 PM »
Long nose circlip pliers, find many uses for this tool besides circlip rings.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2009, 01:36:47 PM »
You can buy good tools cheaply. Look out for yard sales, flea markets etc.

And Pawn Shops.  I've bought very few new tools over the years.

Great thing about Craftsman, Mac, Snap-On, S-K, Thorsen, etc. is if it breaks they don't care where you got it they'll usually replace it free.

That being said, Harbor Freight is still a great source for a cheap "one time" use tool you may need.

Oh, and get a set of JIS screwdrivers.  It'll save you from stripping the screw heads.....as badly.  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2009, 02:02:06 PM »
 I have some Craftsman wrentches, but I can't resist, usually  $1.00 or $0.50 for a quality 10mm or 12mm at a flea market.  Found some Mercedes stuff, etc., cheap.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2009, 02:03:22 PM »
Depending on how much of a project this project bike becomes, you may find you need more tool that you think.  The essentials for sprucing up a bike and normal tasks include a full sets of metric spanners, metric sockets (regular and deep socket), couple sizes of rachets, phillips and flathead screwdrivers, a drift (soft steel or brass rod for knocking out bearings/bolts/etc), multimeter, feeler gauges, impact driver and some more that will come to me later.

Other tools that you may need for unnexpected tasks are things like a utility knife, hammer, caliper, angle grinder, magnetic pick-up tool, bench grinder/buffer, dremel, adjustable wrenchs, plier set, torque wrench, pick, wire brush, and a place to put them all (a peg board at the least).


I am pretty much a Craftsman fanboy at this point.  Practically every tool I own is Craftsman including the huge tool chest I keep everything in.  In fact, not 10 minutes ago I got back from Sears to get replacements for a pair of needle nose pliers where the tip broke off, a LED magnetic pickup tool where the light cuts out sometimes, and a small rachet that jumps out of rachet sometimes.  No questions asked.  Guy was like, "OK heres 3 brand new tools, have a nice day"  Can't beat it.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2009, 02:38:31 PM »
regarding replacement tools, i've never had any problems with the hand tools being replaced with the right one from craftsman. again i use the polished professional quality ones, dont know about the home mechanics ones.
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Re: Tools...
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2009, 04:32:13 PM »
Oh, and get a set of JIS screwdrivers.  It'll save you from stripping the screw heads.....as badly.  ;)

Where do you get the JIS tools?  I'd love to get some JIS bits.  Also, it'd be great to get the impact driver bits... and while I'm at it, how about long impact driver bits? 


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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2009, 07:45:18 PM »
JIS screw drivers posted on another thread.
http://www.rjrcooltools.com/shop_item_detail.cfm?subcat_ID=137

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2009, 08:24:29 PM »
Excellent - thanks!
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2009, 01:47:09 AM »
I love tools almost as much as I like wrenching with them...

I'll second the Pawn shop and throw in e-bay...  But I won't second or 6th the Craftsman choice unless you live next door to sears and can actually get them replaced...( nearest store is 45miles from me )...

I love my Snap-on tools...  About 1/2 are from pawn shops the rest are discounted off the truck for CASH.... and used to fill in sets over time...

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