Author Topic: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it. (Read 706111 times)

Jim F · « **Reply #1750 on:** October 04, 2011, 02:02:28 PM »

so what does that mean?

Jim F · « **Reply #1751 on:** October 04, 2011, 02:03:09 PM »

a new class?
or racing at all?

dragracer · « **Reply #1752 on:** October 04, 2011, 03:16:41 PM »

It means you can only run pro ET. Pro Et allows the use of delay boxes per the old AMA rules. MIROCK rules exclude delay boxes in Pro Et. They will likely use AMA rules. So....... add a delay box or start using that practice tree daily to hone reaction times. Good luck guys.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #1753 on:** October 04, 2011, 03:36:12 PM »

It's not the delay box Frank, MiRock don't allow auto clutches in Street ET.

Sam.

scunny · « **Reply #1754 on:** October 04, 2011, 03:39:33 PM »

Quote from: SamCB750A on October 04, 2011, 03:36:12 PM

It's not the delay box Frank, MiRock don't allow auto clutches in Street ET.

Sam.

#$%*e, can you go in another class ?

dragracer · « **Reply #1755 on:** October 04, 2011, 08:32:48 PM »

Quote from: SamCB750A on October 04, 2011, 03:36:12 PM

It's not the delay box Frank, MiRock don't allow auto clutches in Street ET.

Sam.

Re - read the post my friend. I know they exclude engine driven clutches in the street ET class, i've been running with MIROCK for over a decade. While i do feel they should make exceptions for bikes like the factory Hondamatics, rules are rules.

Now let me break it down for you in simple but painful terms. What i'm trying to say is this; you now can only race the bike in the pro ET class. Because the Cup committee allows delay boxes in Pro ET, for Samauto to be competitive against wheelie bars with a full compliment of electronics including delay boxes, you have must now have not only a consistent motorcycle, but the rider must now become a machine. A consistent machine with nearly perfect reactions times, pass after pass, round after round- yes, luck may come into play but luck will only take you so far against experienced riders who have become one with their full out dragbikes as a result of years of racing experience.

Option one: To be a winner, round after round, you must be dressed like the other players. Hence, its now time to consider the possibility of adding a delay box and two step to Samauto. This will include putting a line lock on the rear brakes to load the clutch against the converter. Can all this be acheived and tested by the Cup race?

Yes. Can it make the bike consistent?? Perhaps.

Option two?? Refer back to my comment about the rider becoming a machine. Conclusion?? Get a practice tree if you don't already have one and make regular pulls, from now until the race and every round you win throughout the event. Sam Green has to become a machine.

Damn, that really hurt to have all of everyones hard work on tis projectr come down to an interpretation of the freaking rules.

All that aside, lets go to Vladosta and concentrate on having some fun - win or loose.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #1756 on:** October 05, 2011, 12:17:58 AM »

Sorry guys, I should have made it a little clearer. No autos in Street ET and no delay boxes in Pro ET.

It seems that half way through their 2 event season, the cup committee have deceided to adopt the Mirock rule book which means we have to ride the bike in Pro ET as is, instead of Street ET where we would have stood a better chance of getting somewhere.

We'll just have to grin and bare it and give it our best shot.

Sam. $:-\$

scunny · « **Reply #1757 on:** October 05, 2011, 12:31:17 AM »

that sucks changing the rules mid season. you guys can still enjoy it tho.

jweeks · « **Reply #1758 on:** October 05, 2011, 04:47:37 AM »

The no delay boxes in Pro ET is the best news of the bad news. What most of this forum's readers don't know is that the Hondamatics suffer due to the desire of bike racers in MiRock competition to run slider clutches in Street ET classes. Since the tech inspectors don't have the time/desire to closely inspect clutches, MiRock made the rule that the release of a clutch lever must move the bike forward for everyone in Street ET. Centrifugal clutches (sliders) don't require/use any clutch lever. Sam's bike launches with the release of a left hand lever on the handlebars which releases the rear brake. Since the bike can stay where it is without applying gas when the brake is released, it falls into the category. This change in rules does affect the history of Hondamatics at the manufacturer's cup events - legendary Vic Force on a Hondamatic twin has competed in Street ET in the past at Valdosta. He was runner-up twice at their events under the rules that we started the season with.

Jon Weeks

dragracer · « **Reply #1759 on:** October 05, 2011, 12:17:14 PM »

Now that is a huge change for Pro ET. They historically allowed the use of delay boxes in pro ET. There will be a lot of surprised racers showing up at this event with their boxes wired for battle. Does this also mean no throttle stops in any of the classes including pro ET and the two index classes??

I'm all for man and machine, the deleltion of the delay boxes make it an even playing field for everyone. Time to pull out the practice tree and make some hits.

dragracer · « **Reply #1760 on:** October 05, 2011, 08:57:31 PM »

Quote from: JWEEKS on October 05, 2011, 04:47:37 AM

The no delay boxes in Pro ET is the best news of the bad news. What most of this forum's readers don't know is that the Hondamatics suffer due to the desire of bike racers in MiRock competition to run slider clutches in Street ET classes. Since the tech inspectors don't have the time/desire to closely inspect clutches, MiRock made the rule that the release of a clutch lever must move the bike forward for everyone in Street ET. Centrifugal clutches (sliders) don't require/use any clutch lever. Sam's bike launches with the release of a left hand lever on the handlebars which releases the rear brake. Since the bike can stay where it is without applying gas when the brake is released, it falls into the category. This change in rules does affect the history of Hondamatics at the manufacturer's cup events - legendary Vic Force on a Hondamatic twin has competed in Street ET in the past at Valdosta. He was runner-up twice at their events under the rules that we started the season with.

Jon Weeks

Don't fret fellas. I've got someone over at Dragbike.com checking into this exclusion for us. I think Sam may have misinterpreted the classes and mixed up Pro Street with Pro ET. Pro Street will use MIROCK rules for the Cup race but i doubt seriously they will use MIROCK rules in Pro ET or Street ET. I just can't see that happening. It will kill a lot of the classes in the sportsman ranks.

Stay tuned guys- lets see what Wade Clark comes up with. I think i stirred up a hornets nest over on that site-lol.

736cc · « **Reply #1761 on:** October 06, 2011, 04:09:25 AM »

http://forums.dragbike.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16282

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #1762 on:** October 06, 2011, 05:44:34 AM »

Andy, that's Pro Street, I think that is where Frank thinks I'm getting mixed up.

The event to date has been run under AMA rules which allows Hondamatics in the Street ET class.
I did hear that there were going to be some rule changes so asked one of the organisers what rules would be adopted. I was told the event would be run under Mirock rules which dose not allow automatics of any type in the Street ET class.
We raced with Mirock earlier in the year and had to run in Pro ET with all the highly modified bikes running bars, slicks, auto slider clutches and the works. (we didn't get very far but Billy proved that with a bit of luck the bike could take big scalps)

Pro street is a completely different heads up class with the fastest street bike running in the 6s (last weekend)

Sam.

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #1763 on:** October 06, 2011, 06:31:24 AM »

Sam,just got the news? BS? What's up,need to KNOW! Are they trying to overload us? Hard drive might pop on this one!

Bill
Hard to beat city hall! ::)Let me know. Tach works stall speed 2600 rpm,2700 rpm oil @ 118 degrees.Jon sent you an e mail.

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #1764 on:** October 06, 2011, 07:13:58 AM »

Not a biggie Billy, just means running in Pro ET if they change to Mirock rules.

Sam.

dragracer · « **Reply #1765 on:** October 07, 2011, 01:23:06 PM »

I think you'll be ok in Street ET Sam. I doubt they will alienate the masses in Pro ET and the index classes by using MIROCK rules. They won't have anyone showing up to race.

Jim F · « **Reply #1766 on:** October 07, 2011, 01:37:21 PM »

Hotel rooms are booked guys......
all surrounding John Weeks and his room (Hopefully)
......

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #1767 on:** October 07, 2011, 04:51:30 PM »

Where have you booked Jimmy? we got in on the night no problem.

Sam.

Jim F · « **Reply #1768 on:** October 08, 2011, 07:28:33 AM »

we are at the travelodge Valdosta
1403 N St Augustine
Valdosta Ga. 31602
I am booked from Thursday and check out is Sunday
you and Bill are booked from Thursday and your check out is not until Monday

Jim

Bill/BentON Racing · « **Reply #1769 on:** October 08, 2011, 01:43:22 PM »

Internet still down(over @ neighbors).Ran Commerce last night.5 runs,3 with 0-30 oil,2 with Yamalube.
Sam,sorry,but new R/T is now .010!!!

Last 2 runs
10:14 R/T .010,60 ft 2.376,330ft 5.867,1/8 8.542 mph 91.98,1/4 ET 12.883 @ 111.42
10:54 R/T .078,60 ft 2.311,330ft 5.760,1/8 8.416 mph 92.66 1/4 ET 12.728 @ 112.05
Closer,Jon will email you data as soon as I can.
During "POWER HOUR" prizes for ET,MPH, and R/T(cars only) but bikes run,Brian on RC51 ran R/T .000!!!
so,next run I cut the .010. ;)best car could do was .014!!

It does not like the 35 pilots!30's or 25's may need to play w/needle or just go back to 30's and see.Went by and saw Brian and Sheila Livingood @ new shop yesterday...we made plans!!He just saw 145 RWHP on a R6!!!Damn,thats awesome.

Sam,send your parcel,I wanted rules for Valdosta! ;)Bill

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #1770 on:** October 08, 2011, 02:10:49 PM »

Hi Bill, just picked something up of dragbike.com saying AMA rules in force for Valdosta. This came from one of the cup committee, so i guess one is saying one thing and the other saying differently.

Sam

Jim F · « **Reply #1771 on:** October 10, 2011, 08:34:48 AM »

I called Bill this morning and his internet has been down all weekend
as well as his cell phone (internet service)
as soon as he is up and running he will post

Jim

dragracer · « **Reply #1772 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:06:34 PM »

When will Samauto make another test session?

?? The next race we will attend will be at Orangeburg Dragstrip on Oct 29th.

Jim F · « **Reply #1773 on:** October 10, 2011, 06:36:34 PM »

Bill said that he will be going back up to commerce on Friday

Sam Green Racing · « **Reply #1774 on:** October 14, 2011, 12:42:44 AM »

Looks like we will be competing under AMA rules after all.

http://www.dragbike.com/dbnews/anmviewer.asp?a=6863&z=13

Sam.

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Author Topic: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it. (Read 706111 times)