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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #4175 on: April 18, 2014, 04:18:02 PM »
I got a feeling that this may be a long one... ::)

Sam's reaction time variations have reduced as he's had more seat time. Looking at what he did at Valdosta, he generally was far better reacting than his opponents. He came up against a "good" opponent and gave him a free win due to his red light. Your mind doesn't care who's in the other lane. See the light, react. It's the same for EVERY opponent. When you think that your best isn't good enough to win a race, park the bike. Always being the slower bike forces you to leave first. Any reaction that forces the opponent to leave the starting line to chase you gives you a chance to win. Thinking that you need a near perfect light is the best thing that you can do for the opponent. You've repeated my "it's just another time trial until the finish line" but aren't practicing what I've been preaching. You and Bill have seen what the Hondamatic's reputation has done for your racing; a lot of opponents are red lighting against it. See any similarities? Even the good racers seldom see a slow consistent opponent. A big head start and their clutch hand gets a little twitchy. The opponent could red light against you; he/she/it could bog, spin, miss a gear, etc. Give yourself a chance to win the race. Don't try to do anything different for the good ones. Your bike can also run fairly close to it's dial-in as you've done many a time. Give the "good" ones a good race. We don't win them all, but you can surprise yourself by not thinking about the opponent.

Backing off before the finish line. "I don't know what I would have run". Ummm, yes you do. One simple rule to follow: Don't get off the gas/on the brake before the 1000' cones. You are probably already doing that. That gives you 300'+ to slow down. Take your last full pass timeslip and subtract the 1000' time from that slip from what it ran at the finish line. Take that value and add it to your 1000' time on the pass when you did get out of it/on the brakes. You now know fairly closely what the bike would have run if you had stayed in it. Don't use timeslips from when the bike was cold or from another race. Once in a while in eliminations, you drive it out the back door. Yes, when you see the win light in your lane it's a free time trial. Drive it out the back door! Short of crashing or crossing the center line, you can't lose the race.

One of the biggest challenges in dialing in an air cooled bike is the changing oil temperatures. Sam's bike always runs slow on the first pass of the day; the second one usually is quicker. That's because the oil was warmer for the second pass than it was for the first one. Your third round at 4:30 in the afternoon probably had colder oil than the second round had. (guessing at around 2.5 hours of the bike sitting around?) No chance of an 11 for that round. Basically you're back to square one for dialing it in. Think of your first time trial and take about .07 off of it. That should get you close for that third round dial in.  Fourth round (had you won) coming within an hour of the third round and you could get close to an 11 second dial-in. The air was getting colder/you would be making a little more power/the oil would be reasonably warmish/ and I still don't think that you would have quite gotten there.
     There is a fix for the variations in oil temperatures giving you headaches with dial-ins. I don't have it assembled yet, but will show everyone a photo when it's done. Summit Racing sells an oil pan heater. It's an immersion heater that's about 4" long. I'm looking at a spot to the right of the oil drain plug about an inch over. My machinist is welding in an aluminum collar to the outside of the pan. The collar gets drilled for the diameter of the heater rod. The collar gets pipe tapped for the threaded end of the heater rod. Add good sealant and you've got a 400 (or 250) watt heater with a short ac plug cord. A couple of wire ties and it won't ever move on the bike. A 400 watt oil pan heater gets the oil up to operating temperatures in about 10 minutes. So, we unload the bike, find out what time the first pass is, subtract 15 minutes and fire up the generator for 10 minutes. The bike should now run just like it will every round of the day. The oil temperature gauge should verify the results. I'll bring it with me to VA if I can get the pieces to fall right.
     Speaking of VA and the Cup event. I was at a Prostar event long ago at VMP about the same time in June as what we're going to do. I baked on that weekend. Highs around 105 and lows about 90 (F). Please get the long range forecast for that weekend. If it's anything like what I've already seen, it will be a survival event. The bikes will hate the very high density altitude. Think 4500 - 5000' DA. My 'matic lost a half second and 3 mph. I only had brought one size smaller main jets with me. Big mistake. I'll bring 4+5 sizes down of jets with me if the weather is like it was back then. The hot bad air also made the idle circuit too rich. That made the launches much more sluggish. (reaction times got worse). Don't even dream of 11's if it's hot there. I recommend sun tan lotion, shade, and your choice of Gatorade, prefably frozen the night before. Wandering around the pits between rounds will take a lot out of you.
     I'll play with simple pump premium. The exotic gas will need temperature management. OK, I'm coming up for air  ::)
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« Reply #4176 on: April 18, 2014, 04:33:58 PM »
Jon, thanks. You mean I gotta take it to Commerce tomorrow to get an eleven! 8) Sorry, Sam was going to let you be the one!  ;D Planning on taking Calendar Girl, need the seat time. Bill
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« Reply #4177 on: April 18, 2014, 05:25:31 PM »
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« Reply #4178 on: April 18, 2014, 05:34:37 PM »
Jon wasnt kidding,its gonna be hot here that late in june


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« Reply #4179 on: April 18, 2014, 06:32:59 PM »
I'd better get some Sun block then. hahahaha
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« Reply #4180 on: April 18, 2014, 07:58:18 PM »
Jerry, he didn't answer. Next week, just put new levers on Calendar Girl, some CycleX decals, new velocity stacks, adj air screws, were out too far, some RC and other decals. Off to find some 125's.
If we run and it drys up a little, 11's may be in the cards, hell the RC decals worth a tenth! ;D

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« Reply #4181 on: April 18, 2014, 08:26:05 PM »
Valdosta was a blast. Got to reconnect with friends and see some good racing too.



Of course, most of the hard work is done in the pits:
(from left to right: Bill's hat, Sam, Keith, Keith, Jerry, Mark)





It ain't racin' till the tools come out (of course he should probably be working on that trailer tire):





Time to roll!





Staging and strategizing. You can see the ZX in the foreground to be piloted by one of the Rickey Gadson trained Japanese riders that would soon be seeing red in his failed attempt to catch Sam:





Bill showing us how to turn a forty-two second 1/4 mile blast into a WIN:





It was quite a sight. Bill got a good launch, then stalled! Turned out to be just enough distraction for his opponent to redlight! Bill jumped on the kicker a couple times, looked back at the starter, who by now was waving frantically for Bill to GO! Bill eased into the throttle and moseyed on down the track, looking down at the bike a few times, looking up at the pretty patterns in the clouds, and I think he even stopped to pet a cat. Probably never even made it to third gear. His good natured opponent was waiting to congratulate Bill, laughing out loud as they shook hands.

Bill had still not realized that he'd won!





Got to see another VERY cool 750 racing that weekend:





LArzFroMArz brought his bike, but we could not convince him to race:







And I ended up with a hitchhiker...





These little buggers have a thing for souvenirs from the swap meet:





Looking forward to the next one!
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« Reply #4182 on: April 18, 2014, 09:00:35 PM »
Wilbur, we thank you! Lots of fun for all. That trailer tire just needed turning around on the rim! LOL! Larry to the rescue....he's pretty good at that! ;D Hope it clears up for Commerce to tomorrow! ;D
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« Reply #4183 on: April 19, 2014, 03:25:01 AM »
The best of luck if it clears up Billy, thanks for the great pictures and your help Wilbur 8)

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« Reply #4184 on: April 19, 2014, 04:36:19 AM »
Good pics and update boys,  I am green with envy  ;D
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« Reply #4185 on: April 19, 2014, 05:13:44 AM »
Only reason I wouldn't run, Wilbur, is didn't have leathers or hell yeah
. Sam's leathers would look like diaper on me :-[
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« Reply #4186 on: April 19, 2014, 05:28:45 AM »
Bradenton...when, I'll come help and see brother David in Sarasota ! K. ;D
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« Reply #4187 on: April 19, 2014, 09:12:49 AM »
Commerce Atlanta Dragway rained out....we still tied for first! ;D Got text on phone as I was closing trailer doors! Oh well off for some apple pie! ;) Bill
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« Reply #4188 on: April 19, 2014, 09:25:17 AM »
hahaha, never mind Billy, plenty of time yet.

He really does allow us to have fun....Big thanks to Murphy.
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« Reply #4189 on: April 19, 2014, 10:18:19 AM »
Yeh, I'll take his head work over anyone else's ! Looks like a contented man! Pic of me like that when we go 11's!!!  ;D Mike how are you, head ready?   8)
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« Reply #4190 on: April 19, 2014, 10:23:01 AM »
Yeah, and Calendar Girl too! Those hand-me-downs oughta wake her old ass up!  ;) Just hoping Red Light $2 Bill can handle it. That should give me some idea of what mine will do.

Idea! maybe Mike and his $2 Million Dollar Billet 1000F can hitch a ride with Jon to VA and turn it loose. Can it be a 10 second 750?!  ;D 
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« Reply #4191 on: April 19, 2014, 10:25:07 AM »
NO MORE PREMATURE REACTIONULATION ;) ;D Bill
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« Reply #4192 on: April 19, 2014, 10:27:43 AM »
Yeh, I'll take his head work over anyone else's ! Looks like a contented man! Pic of me like that when we go 11's!!!  ;D Mike how are you, head ready?   8)
We missed you! Hooters was fun! I gave em the big tip! ;D
I have to assemble it Billy....... been a very busy week. Taking my bikes out of mothballs now. Have to install batteries etc etc. Been working on Brian's (Tintop) side car head, pistons etc.
 I heard a story about the timing lights failing when Ian King made a huge pass Friday night. Pissed off the crowd etc....easy to see why when 4 foot high blue flames were blowing out the pipes and the air was crisp and in the 50's.
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« Reply #4193 on: April 19, 2014, 12:50:15 PM »
Yeh, I'll take his head work over anyone else's ! Looks like a contented man! Pic of me like that when we go 11's!!!  ;D Mike how are you, head ready?   8)
We missed you! Hooters was fun! I gave em the big tip! ;D
I have to assemble it Billy....... been a very busy week. Taking my bikes out of mothballs now. Have to install batteries etc etc. Been working on Brian's (Tintop) side car head, pistons etc.
 I heard a story about the timing lights failing when Ian King made a huge pass Friday night. Pissed off the crowd etc....easy to see why when 4 foot high blue flames were blowing out the pipes and the air was crisp and in the 50's.
it was a 5 second run , no doubt! Thought. I was at a NASCAR event, but they kept having trouble with lights on Sunday also. Had to rerun one whole class, kudos the them for doing what was right.
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« Reply #4194 on: April 19, 2014, 01:48:46 PM »
He was really pi$$ed off Mike, this picture tells it all.
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« Reply #4195 on: April 19, 2014, 02:45:00 PM »
He was really pi$$ed off Mike, this picture tells it all.
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« Reply #4196 on: April 19, 2014, 03:48:16 PM »
Wonder how much that 1 run cost his team?
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« Reply #4197 on: April 19, 2014, 04:43:43 PM »
He was really pi$$ed off Mike, this picture tells it all.
Wow, never seen that look on Ian! He's usually smiling, bet he wanted to KILL!
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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #4198 on: April 19, 2014, 06:21:39 PM »
found this on a local il classified and wondered if anyone may recognize or know anything about it. guy got it on trade.
iIt sold before end of auction. Thought it was a pretty good deal for a racer, etc.


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Re: CB750A Street ET bracket drag bike. A year to build it.
« Reply #4199 on: April 19, 2014, 06:42:47 PM »
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